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On September 02 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote:
The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list.
That's all. The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr" On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.
We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript. What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes? Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway? And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will? Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum . So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful? I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list. Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum. How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious. stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy. Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla" But then there's this: On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything. I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town) This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it? If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious?? I try to make him clarify: On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet?????? You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is. Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town. Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS. Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game. His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game. Therefore Zentor is scum. Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum?
I'm no confident anymore that it is a scumslip. But notice how I brush past it in my case too.
I guess it's possible for you to say it like that as town, although it feels off.
Everything else makes you scum though. You should put some reads in the thread now
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On September 02 2013 09:54 Hassybaby wrote:Huh....turns out I didn't roll high enough to save VE 
Are you the one that made him a noflip?
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On September 02 2013 10:01 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:59 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote:
The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list.
That's all. The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr" On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.
We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript. What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes? Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway? And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will? Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum . So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful? I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list. Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum. How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious. stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy. Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla" But then there's this: On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything. I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town) This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it? If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious?? I try to make him clarify: On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet?????? You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is. Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town. Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS. Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game. His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game. Therefore Zentor is scum. Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum? I'm no confident anymore that it is a scumslip. But notice how I brush past it in my case too. I guess it's possible for you to say it like that as town, although it feels off. Everything else makes you scum though. You should put some reads in the thread now I mean, I responded to everything you said in your case and show you why it's all townie, but you haven't responded.
No real point in me going "you're scum" and you replying "I'm town" a bunch of times.
I disagree with your assessment of yourself.
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On September 02 2013 10:06 Cephiro wrote:
Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Btw, don't lynch Zentor today. I have my reasons to believe he is town.
Is this a green check?
Koshi, does the d6 say that you HAVE to use it?
If not.....
On September 02 2013 18:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 18:15 Koshi wrote:
HE IS SCUM. I was talking 24/7 in this thread on how my item would help people. And you search for some butthurt shitreason the fucking ruin my plans?
##Vote Alakaslam Oh Well I dunno it was random and I had to use it sometime.[still bitter]Besides seems you can vote me and I will not die.[/still bitter] So PHISH for all you know the talisman went somewhere useful.
Don't really understand this. Why would you HAVE to use it?
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The only thing I don't get is why mention it if he was scum and using it? I guess he just messed up.
Clear anti-town move and although alakaslam tends to be illegible, he's not dumb.
So first lynch should be alakaslam.
I guess I'm gonna trust cephiro on zentor for now since I have a townread on cephiro.
Second lynch should be randombum. Before daypost I would have said ShiaoPi but this post:
On September 02 2013 06:16 ShiaoPi wrote:
i have come to deliver bad news. stop stupid associationstuff. we did not even have a lynch. also if pikachu thingy is townaligned it would be great to tell us about it.
btw dont shoot the messenger, he totes innocent
I dunno what this is about but I can't imagine scum "fakeclaiming" so vaguely. Why even bother?
##Unvote
##Vote Alakaslam
##Vote randombum
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On September 02 2013 20:20 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure we only have 1 vote Clarity.
Oh right, doublelynch I thought two votes.
Well, those are the two lynches I want anyway.
##Unvote all the things
##Vote alakaslam
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On September 02 2013 23:18 debears wrote:
Ok. I'll just tell you guys my power and we can decide.
I can nirvana strike someone, meaning the lynch goes between me and them
If the lynch is a double lynch (like now), then we both automatically die.
I don't know what of make of this post. debears, you're pretty good at this game, why would he suggest such a terrible thing?
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I mean, a few people have been very vocal about how confirmed scum geript is. I still have my doubts, really.
At the very least I think it's safe to say that his voterigging was 1shot. Not sure why people are assuming he'll just do it again this cycle?
You also rob town of discussion day 2. At the very least don't even think about doing it until much later in the cycle.
But I don't think you should use it at all during a double lynch, why even consider martyring yourself?
There is gonna be what, 6 or 7 scum? Why not find other scum and lynch them and come back to geript later? If we assume scum is perma protecting him, maybe we can flip a scum medic or something.
Alakaslam is very very likely to flip scum at this point, and there's a bunch of other lynches that look good. randombum is my choice.
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Like look at it this way, geript is likely scum but I have this nagging feeling. His play makes no sense as either alignment. If you martyr yourself to kill you and geript and geript flips town, we are fucked.
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You can say a lot about greymist games and how crazy shit is, but despite all of that, when the smoke clears, they are actually fairly balanced. Nothing is so broken that it ruins the game.
Someone who can switch every single vote to a person of their choosing once, okay that's strong. Someone who can do it more than once? That ruins games. Why are we even considering that he can?
debears, make a big play when it's single lynch after you make yourself readable. At the moment I don't have a read on you at all, your role might as well be a scum role and you're currently posturing with a terrible idea.
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On September 02 2013 23:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The fact that debears is considering lynching himself for the sake of town means he is one million percent town. Lynch evil alakaslam and another dude i dont like plz.
You've never seen scum fake martyr? What's with the rash conclusion? Other than the martyr what has he done?
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On September 03 2013 00:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 23:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 23:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The fact that debears is considering lynching himself for the sake of town means he is one million percent town. Lynch evil alakaslam and another dude i dont like plz. You've never seen scum fake martyr? What's with the rash conclusion? Other than the martyr what has he done? It's not martyring. He's giving town a chance to lynch another dude with him. Why even suggest thst as dcum its so bad?
It's such a terrible idea, why would anyone agree with it? debears is a better player than that.
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On September 03 2013 00:06 Koshi wrote:
1) Yeah, but the majority is not retarded. So we wouldn't allow it.
2) m00t because 1
This
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Guess I'll go read up on hiro see what I missed...
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My problem with the hiro lynch comes down to this:
If geript and hiro are both scum, why would hiro attack blazinghand so heavily hours before he flips town?
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On September 03 2013 01:13 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##Vote: Alakaslam
Because why not? I am getting pretty tired but as i remember things because you have not and neither has anyone else on Alak explained why he did that as scum. Note my previous estimates of Alaks capabilities had to be lowered somewhat to get any possibility that as scum or town he would simply shuffle the items in a fit of pique because a town BH got lynched. But I haven't seen a suggestion I could understand how he or his scum team would have thought his actions were wise as a scum play. Not sold on Alak being a good lynch at all.
His actions make no sense as town. They make a lot of sense as scum.
Why as scum would he mention the existence of the d6 instead of just using it anonymously? I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that town would not use it. Why ruin a town plan as town AND possibly let the d6 fall in scum hands.
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On September 03 2013 01:19 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:16 Onegu wrote:
Post from Black Mesa
Our claimed third party would like me to pass along the message that
I've got following role on Shiao: He is Kanti, Lord of the Black Flames.
Also there is a green check on shiao pi. dafuq
confirm/deny your rolename please?
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On September 03 2013 01:24 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +Yeah Z, it's a bunch of wifom either way. I just can't think of a reason to not lynch alakaslam :D So is the Hiro attacking BH thing, but that we actually have a flip on. No, it really isn't. If you think alakaslam is mafia, you have to admit he took an unnecessary risk, (how large the risk is is the only wifom bit); I can't rationalize why he would do this as mafia, and if you can't either, you shouldn't be voting for him. A lot of people are more likely to be scum than alakaslam, which is quite a good reason to not lynch him.
You're assuming scum play perfectly, yet town trip over their own feet every chance they get. He could have easily just mentioned it without thinking about it too much.
Why does this massive fuck up make more sense for town to do than scum to do?
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