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This might be my first mislynch Muahaha | ||
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I look forward to phagga as the low hanging fruit | ||
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wtf is a silent deadlineless night... Surely if silent, night can be capped to 24hrs...... Hmmm perhaps a opened mechanic will be revealed | ||
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On August 07 2013 14:47 geript wrote: I really don't get the point of a silent night. If you're going to have a silent night, then why not have actions locked after the first 24 hours of day and with the end of day post have NKs happen then and go straight from day to day. Sir.. this is majestic scum play. How can u lock nights during day cycle.... Plus. Day is instant majority... | ||
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On August 07 2013 15:18 phagga wrote: I'm so gonna go bananas on you. Also, this ain't nomination mafia. Lol The worst thing about this is... U weren't scum in nomination hahah But yes thank u for recognising the quote Funny how in a game of 200pages and many cases...one line in one case can stand out | ||
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I was going to copy and paste a post from the town/scum guessing game that ibthought was town.. but then figured the best way to claim was as follows + Show Spoiler + this is not alignment indicative..as I have yet to read my role pm Lola | ||
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We have 3 vt claims in geript.oats.phagga so far. clearly someone is lying already. I'm inclined to think phagga 1. He's phagga and. Playing too serious for early game 2. He's phagga and. Hence. The low hanging fruit 3. He's phagga  | ||
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Jester right 'ere | ||
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On August 07 2013 17:42 phagga wrote: ok, you're not joking, it makes sense in my head. You're either the real jester or the goon claiming jester. Funny. lol....people looking at me funny cos I actually lol'd in public. why u so tense phagga? | ||
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On August 07 2013 17:09 phagga wrote: Should not be that hard to understand. What I think about the plans might influence what other people claim, so I don't want to post it now. so I was actually calling u jester lol.... ima horny and green so... everyone has claimed, pls post ya logic | ||
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hmmmm, j3stah, talk to me about the master of cereals do u think oats is town or scum? | ||
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(2) Oats, hes typically spammy at start but usually has a purpose. I dunno .. from his limited posts so far I feel like hes trying to achieve nothing. Would like to see more from him. (3) I dont like the plan; mainly becuase I dont get it. What do u think of Geript plan? Considering u seem to agere with it?? can yoiu pleaes explain it to me. | ||
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On August 07 2013 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote: who the fuck claims jester????????????? seriously guys... Phagga is probably jester. Mocsta/Hapa might be scum, hapa posted 1 no content post. Thnx for the lolz no1 claimed jester Read before you Post ffs (1) Why is Geript off ya list? (2) Why is hapa scum when hes in a valid timezone for sleeping...? | ||
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2. I think oats is dumb for giving geript so much credit for coming up with a plan. a. he claimed vt instantly...which usually happens in any game b. the plan was shite and to me still doesn't make sense even with phagga attempt to expand. ====== What do town want 1. Avoid lynching jester 2. Lynch scum, if too hard then lynch lynchproof What do mafia want 1. Avoid lynching jester 2. Lynch lynchproof 3. Lynch townie Why lynchproof first? Because it increases odds of non-jester lynch on day2. What do jester want? 1. Ask phagga I guess jester is like SK with balancing act. Want to keep low profile to avoid being shot, but still need to be scummy enough to be lynched. I wouldn't be surprised if jester claimed lynchproof on day2 as a last resort either. ==== The problem with the plan... Whilst its obvious to anyone claiming vt is normal play.... geript thinks it is wise to devise a plan hinging upon identifying lynchproofs...hhmmmmmmmmmm. and who wants to hit the lynchproof on day1.... Mafia does. | ||
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Secondly. Personally, I still take issue with the lynchproof plan. I get what the plan does; I get that we have moved away from the plan; however I just dont understand why a player would concoct a plan that leaves town with a 50/50 chance to win. This is far from a pro-town plan to consider, let alone continue to endorse. Lastly. I stand by my logic; hence, I think you guys are treating this way too much like a normal, and not giving enough credit for what each of the anti-town roles want to achieve. The whole point of this game is that if you mis-read somone, it could be GG due to Jester. Its only by understanding how they need to proceed, that we can catch them. | ||
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On August 08 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote: sure.@ Mocsta Well there are several ideas being bounced around right now.for example, there's been some "Phagga is Jester" talk that I'd like to hear your thoughts on. As well as any other sCum-reads you might have. Phagga has a consistent vibe in his posts which is a plus. however I'm still struggling to get why he was hesitant to claim when he supported the plan . This seems more to do with paranoia considering He also admits to looking carefully for the lynchproof which falls into my mafia mindset criteria. Im not sure whether a jester would be playing this reckless either. So for now I'm willing to consider phagga as non jester....Maybe mafia though. I do feel phagga has not sufficiently addressed why he was hesitant to claim either whether talking to myself or oats. Phagga. The crux of my problem is. U agree with the lynchproof plan yet did not want to contribute to it?? I just don't understand how u could withhold that information if the key to the plans success in it eyes was to have information?? | ||
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On August 08 2013 10:53 geript wrote: Mocsta Who are you interested Lynching and why? I think it is too haste to push a lynch with the current info. So far. My towniest read is oats though. So just need to figure out between hapa.geript. phagga which is jester which is mafia. If I was to have a punt now. I would pen hapa as jester.. mainly because of his reluctance to consider phagga as jester and he just feels off from the limited posts so far. Still want to pursue phagga first though. | ||
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On August 08 2013 12:47 geript wrote: Why do you have such a hard time reading me Moc? :sadface: What do you make of Hapa not really commenting on the plan other than "stupid" Is it wrong I considered u townish by process of elimination? As for hapa. I think the his position on the plan is valid but I don't like his approach to conveying that. Still.. hapa is a solid town player so it's easy for him to undo himself. That's why I want to focus on phagga first. He has just too many irregularities for me regarding the plan and seeking the lynchproof. | ||
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On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote: Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester A jester endgamed by town loses. A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory" I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didnt Hmmm I imagine this changes the game somewhat as now scum have the option to bandy up day2 and are probably playing the lurking game.. Where are u phagga.... | ||
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I thought I explained my inability to comprehend your actions in some detail.. however u still choose not to change your approach... Lets try something new. Now that all 5 ppl have posted somewhat. Who do u think fits the mould of jester and goon. Do u think lynchproof is going to play the same way as a vt?. | ||
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On August 08 2013 16:20 phagga wrote: Why don't you push hapa if you think something is wrong with him? I vote when I feel sure I've found scum. Frankly I feel I have gone out of my way to express why I dont understand u.. and u keep backpedaling to your discourse with oats..that's shoddy to me and hence That's why I'm not interested in hapa currently. In fairness I'm restricted to phone posting at work . So I will make a deal with u. When I get home. I will summarise my grievance for u one last time via computer so I can quote etc | ||
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On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote: Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation? Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? U have a terrible penchant to misread. He thinks I'm antitown and if u read the quote he supplied that would be apparrent. | ||
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When he wrote "this statement." I thought he shared hapa sentiment of me. Regardless. Here's a q for u phagga. U choose to outline me as scum. But then ask me to also chase hapa. Why r u being so reactive? If u had concerns with me or any others. Why r u not leading the charge to ascertain alignment? | ||
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U do realise everything u have submitted in the thread is a +1 right? Ur idea of a good plan....+1 to geript Ur best scum lead.... +1 to hapa Ur scum justification...,+1 to hapa So if u want to use hapa logic so flippantly.. Is he a town read for u or not.... | ||
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secondly.. I am as time poor as u, am o ly on phone access yet that makes me scum and u a reactive "townie"... lol.. this is lol even before factoring your +1 contributions lastly.. how can u support a firm anti town/null reads "case" without adding anything additional of merit... I'm going to put it out there... did u change your position on hapa based on the jester rule clarification?? | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:01 geript wrote: Oats totes scum that's y I vote oats Back Drunker than expected... but hey.. beer/river views/cigars.. cant go wrong Now, im a bit stuck on how to proceed as theres a few actions occuring simultaneously. (1) I need to consolidate a post to phagga (2) retort to phagga query to me (3) figure out this vote on oats. + oats vote on Hapa Personally, the vote on Hapa im not against. He seems to be idling by, at least for my expectation of his play. ========================== Now oats... I thought his cavalier attitude was meta-indicative of town? So could you please expand on what strikes you as defaulting him to scum? I also ASSUME you mean mafia, as surely if you mean jester, you would not be voting him? | ||
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For your first query: On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote: Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester A jester endgamed by town loses. A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory" On August 08 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote: I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didnt On August 08 2013 23:51 phagga wrote: Why would you not think about that question as town? Do you think this information is not important for town? Why would you not think about the question as town Win-Con phagga... On August 07 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote: Miners' Win Con: Miners win when the Goon is dead. They lose if Night 2 starts, or if the Jester is lynched. Why would I -let me remind you: town- be contemplating the jester wincon beyond to be lynched? My focus is to lynch the goon, and avoid the jester. (As a post-game thing.. I would be seriously shocked if it wasn't the jester that asked for clarification.. which then leads into WIFOM about timezones etc) Do you think this information is not important for town I think it just opens up WIFOM, so no. Regardless of whether jseter wants a selfish victory, or shared... my focus is the same. Lynch the goon. Do you beg to differ? =============== (2) Regarding grievances etc, This ties into my query post to you. Will start compiling soonish. Need to re-read again first. | ||
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Phagga, my queries//case are below. Spoilered as quite large. + Show Spoiler + @Phagga Regarding the PLAN: Your position as endorsed by yourself is in the spoiler below. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2013 21:26 phagga wrote: When geript asked everyone to claim, my reaction was not "oh well, claiming VT is useless information, I might as well claim". I thought "Why does he want everyone to claim? What's the ieea behind it?". And for that thought my own role was absolutely irrelevant. All I wanted is to know why he thinks it's a good idea to claim. And earlier to you: On August 07 2013 20:19 phagga wrote: Well, after he lined it out I thought the plan was ok. I was back then expecting the unlynchable to claim under any circumstance, although I see now why he doesn't (makes more sense to claim D2 if still alive). With that in mind, I expected the claims to give us some lead on who to lynch. At the same time I saw no real downside for town. Hence I thought the plan is worth trying out. Also, as I explained, I hoped that scum and/or jester might make a mistake with claiming, leading to confirmed townies.
Now whilst I can agree that skeptical is a "townie"-ish trait to exhibit and you do indeed seek more information from Geript; its the post-plan behaviour that I find odd. ===================== Exhibit A - 1 On August 07 2013 16:12 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler [The Plan] + Here let me spell it out for you because apparently you missed the obvious logic of it: We get 3 unlynchable claims = no worse than 33% win chance We get 1 unlynchabl claim = no worse than 25% win chance, but really since every VT will be able to recognize that only 1 unlynchable claim and therefore limit his scum hunting to 1 of 3 people which gives us good odds to find scum instead of jester We get 2 unlynchable claims = it gets tricky I have a plan for this specifically but it doesn't work if I explain it. As you can see, every situation of claiming is pro town. Not one single bad option. On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote: Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try. I'm VT. Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying. When I (and Oats) press you for these further thoughts later. What we get is the following: On August 07 2013 18:44 phagga wrote: My issue is that this "thought" mimics the Geript plan to a "tee"; thus providing zero "own thoughts for later" as you had promised.basically there were some constellations that would confirm towns (3 claimed unlynchables / 2 claimed jesters / 1 claimed unlynchable), which is why I liked the idea of claiming, but I obviously could not say that back then. My explanation is that you were stalling - by lying/exaggerating - your claim. This is typically not a townie indicator. -------------------- Exhibit A-2 After further pressure from myself regarding the plan we receive: On August 07 2013 20:19 phagga wrote: Of course if I then later post them they look like geripts plan, because they are tied to his plan. Well, after he lined it out I thought the plan was ok. I was back then expecting the unlynchable to claim under any circumstance, although I see now why he doesn't (makes more sense to claim D2 if still alive). With that in mind, I expected the claims to give us some lead on who to lynch. At the same time I saw no real downside for town. Hence I thought the plan is worth trying out. Also, as I explained, I hoped that scum and/or jester might make a mistake with claiming, leading to confirmed townies. Firstly, as discussed in Exhibit A-1. Regardless of whether your ideas are similar to Geripts, you clearly expressed that you had additional thoughts - so far this has not been evident. Secondly, You are still seeking the lynchproof townie. Thirdly, the "mistake claiming leading to confirmed townies" seems so far fetched and reads me like you are trying to dangle a carrot in front of us. What I see: Originally you were a skeptic to a "plan" to break the game.. now.. A rapid change of heart such that your scum hunting foundation is based around claims and plans, whilst still seeking the lynchproof. ===================== Exhibit B-1 On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote: Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try. I'm VT. Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying. This was your first post to rub me the wrong way. Given the whole "skepticism" of the plan and your quick "convenient" turn-around; this exchange reads to me as forced and "pot stirring". Now.. town *CAN* intentionally stir the pot to get reactions; but do you actually follow through with any pressure? The answer is .. no.. not until much later.. Again, this is not typically a townie indicator. -------------------- Exhibit B-2 On August 08 2013 02:35 phagga wrote: Again, when I asked for his plan I did not think that far. I really just tried to figure out what he wants to achieve with massclaiming. I just did not like the thought of needlessly putting out information if it does not benefit town. The benefits for scum? Mocsta mentioned it, there is the possibility that it makes it easier for them to pick a good NK. However, I did not think of that at the time. When I claimed, I could not think of a downside. Firstly, lets assume that you withheld due to skepticism; rather than being concerned about being counter-claimed. Secondly, I dont follow "I could not think of a downside, when I claimed" as identified in Exhibit B-1. Town wouldnt put all their eggs in one basket (a plan) to scum hunt; nor would they create a situation to call someone a "liar" and then not proceed with a meaningful pressure followup. ===================== Exhibit C On August 07 2013 17:57 phagga wrote: Ok, this is not what I expected to happen at all, although it makes sense for either not-town role to claim jester. What I'm more surprised is that the unlynchable did not claim yet. I suppose someone is holding back to draw out a fakeclaim? That did not really work though, as we have 4 claimed VTs and a jester now. I Disagree. Firstly, the plan is a deterrent for the lynchproof/jesters to come out as it gives each party at best a 50% chance to win. Secondly, I already provided logic on why mafia would be seeking the lynchproof. Thirdly, you only became a "believer" after two had already claimed. Yet, now is surprised that the remaining two people (myself/hapa) did not claim non-VT roles... lol. Overall, this post has too many logic gaps for me; I would expect more transparency from a townie that has converted from skeptic to believer. ===================== Exhibit D Your case on me boils down to OMGUS. You don't like I keep querying your mentality, so call me anti-town.. ===================== Exhibit E On August 09 2013 01:02 phagga wrote: Now I'm the one posting from phone. Jesters wincon is relevant to town because it influences towns behaviour in 1-1-1 on D2. With the new information it means that town is in an almost unwinnable situation. And I thought of that question too, but it got answered before I could ask it. So I disagree that a townie would not think of it Last time I checked, we were in D1. Im concerned you are planning for D2 already. ====================== TL;DR
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On August 09 2013 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote: So why is phagga no jester? Fair question. (1) Jester wants to get lynched, so wants to act scummy, but not TOO scummy (otherwise town wont vote him). Now, phagga has been trying to share discourse back n forth but keeps getting stuck in the same logic holes. Hence I think he is mafia trying to maintain a story and is getting caught. (2) Jester can win D1. Mafia can only win post-D2. Phagga is already clearly contemplating D2 strategy. Hence I think this is a stronger indicator of mafia alignment, as opposed to jester. (3) His obsession with the lynchproof townie. To me, this is something the mafia is seeking; not the jester. | ||
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On August 09 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote: no im not gonna lose cause you want to kill the possible jester. I get the concern , however I still think hapa has displayed a lack of motivation in posts I would have associated with being jester. One of hapa only passionate posts was where we went through phsgga filter to explain why he wasn't jester...perhaps this was easy to do merely because hapa IS the jester. Oats. My position is clear and the power of day1 still lies with u. | ||
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So Talk to me. We clearly feel hapa IS anti town. However why mafia vs jester? | ||
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What I don't like about Geript is that he called u scum but chose to never elaborate. I'm still giving him credit for early burst, and from my experience Geript is not normally a game solver for contributions anyways. The fact u r treating this slam vote so seriously makes me sure u r town. So. This leaves me with phagga as last antitown. For me. Hapa is uninterested in the game. Is blending in by adding weak justification comments here and there, and then doesn't follow through with any pressure.he simply doesn't care. Phagga on the other is displaying care factor. And heck. Mafia certainly do NOT want to be lynched. Hence I think hapa non caring is him being jester and wanting to be lynched.. whereas phagga is trying to stop this game from ending. My take. Vote phagga. Vote mafia. End the game. | ||
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Everyone knows that a town hapa gets more enjoyment solving the game. as scum he has to try to figure out the jesyer and even with that he isn't trying. Which makes me think he is jester waiting for the game to play out and has no interest to solve anything. All hapa has told is .. is that phagga isn't jester. Now if phagga is try Harding to get lynched I'm willing to lose. That's master stroke planning and honestly I'm not willing to give him credit for such a performance as jester. I'm not sure anyone in tl could setup that type of play to be honest. However the tryharding does make sense as mafia as I explained earlier. This is a far simpler solution. And the one I'm choosing to believe and endorse | ||
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On August 09 2013 16:51 geript wrote: So I can't sleep and am up late and nobody wants to talk to me :/ What changed us mind from oats to phagga? I do have concerns u dodged explaining what made oats scummy. He's pretty clearly town to me. | ||
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K. Well I'm heading into. Meeting. Hopefully u have better luck discussing phagga as mafia with oats | ||
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On August 09 2013 17:49 phagga wrote: Hapa has not voted yet, and if he is indeed the jester and mocsta scum, then he will never vote. . this is beyond ridiculous. hapa has been miserly pushing me all game as Mafia. we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia... instead, he continued after the announcement. I shall repeat that u thought it was natural to consider jester interactions,which just drops my jaw as a townie. On August 09 2013 17:36 phagga wrote: I can't imagine scum being so inactive. Wouldn't he try to at least get some control of the game? After all, he wants to steer it to a misslynch some way. Mafia love pushing the theory that scum is some mastermind trying to be active and pulling strings. where as we all know better. game after game on team liquid has shown that scum are always most likely to try and control things behind the scenes. this whole game I have been transparent in my approach to finding antitown ; yet now u try and accuse me of being a scum mastermind..,, lol phagga just lol. u r the one that has been subtlely trying to steer things starting from the very beginning of the game when u tried to cock block the geript plan | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:13 Oatsmaster wrote: actually what is this bullshit? So hapa isnt jester right? THEN HE IS SCUM MOCSTA? ?? I don't follow. I'm saying that jester needs to get lynched, or work towards shared win, which means lynching a townie and not who he suspects is Mafia.... | ||
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as a sign of good faith to reevaluate with a clear mind will have a reread tomorrow. ciao ##unvote | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote: So what you are saying mocsta, is that one of phagga or hapa is town right? maybe I'm tired., I thought I was writing clear? in essence I agree with geript. anti town hapa can't push who he thinks is the remaining anti town... well he can but that's really poor play, and I respect hapa enough to erase that thought whether hapa or phagga is anti town, I will reevaluate tomorrow. I'm surprised u consider me a possibility with phagga though. anything u want to run by me while I'm here? | ||
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so in your hypothetical query. that leaves geript by process of elimination. frankly I find this unlikely. I'm pretty firm both phagga and hapa are antitown. my reevaluation tomorrow was about which is the jwstwr and which is Mafia. | ||
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Dude.. i dont understand whats going on here?? I thought what I wrote is clear, and i am *genuinely* struggling to understand where our communication breakdown is deriving from? I 100% agree that good play is: Antitown shouldnt be pushing who they think is the other antitown. Because of the shared win-con. Now, we all know Hapa is not adhering to this typical town meta, so the take is: he is antitown. Hence, what I am saying is that, Hapa as antitown, should not be pushing the other antitown. So who is Hapa pushing? Hes pushing me..and I know I am town. ================= Are we still on different pages? | ||
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anyways. like I said, I will have a rethink on hapa/phagga tomorrow with a clear mind. | ||
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So perhaps, us trying to guess how a jester would play is causing this issue with consolidation; and ultimately is all guesswork. So.. oats, you detailed how you would play as jester. In this setup, how would you play mafia? | ||
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well I'm going to bed and hopefully a fresh perspective can do us all some good. | ||
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I was hoping u were at least going to address oats concerns... u know, he is adamant u r Mafia after all | ||
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1... he will now be afk for 60hrs lol 2.. he's so confident about his case that he didn't lay down a vote | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote: hapa why arent you playing? Cos he *WANTS* to get lynched... | ||
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JM pretty happy with a vote on phagga, he's clearly trying to save his ass, but lacks the conviction..whereas hapa is still trying to get lynched. I would expect Mafia in phagga position to do exactly what he did... and jester in hapa position to do exactly what he did.. so.... ##vote:phagga | ||
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con·vic·tion [kuhn-vik-shuhn] noun 1. a fixed or firm belief: No clever argument, no persuasive fact or theory could make a dent in his conviction in the rightness of his position. 2. the act of convicting; a declaration that a person is guilty of an offense. No vote dude.. hes just trying to throw dirt around me, but let other people do the work. Then he can bandwagon on and take no responsibility when I flip. Classic scum play. | ||
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I thought we all unvoted last night. You know.... have a fresh perspective of the game and all. Unfortunately, it seems like you and Hapa are the only one that is unwilling to do that. P.S. I like how you use this unjustified read on Hapa to blindly tunnel me into oblivion. On August 09 2013 17:07 phagga wrote: I agree with you guys that Hapa is probably jester. As discussed before, anti-town dont wanna be targetting anti-town afterall. | ||
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All his points take everything out of context and are not even worth formally responding to. Guys, phagga is mafia and needs to be voted off. Lets finish this game. | ||
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I read the case and I think he has misconstrued points to satisfy his case. | ||
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On August 10 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno, so hard man. So everyone thinks Hapa is the jester? I do personally I think town hapa would be trying to solve it. Whereas the only ppl that give a shot abd are showing signs of contemplating all possibilities is, u Geript and myself. The only way hapa can be mafia in my opinion is *IF* he has a jester read on someone else otherwise he would do his best to ensure phagga isn't lynched.. cos would be gg.. but he's not doing that. Instead hapa latest attempt to pressure is directed at geript | ||
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On August 11 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote: IS GERIPT PLAYING US? IS HE THE SCUM??? Ui dont see it personally. He's been emotionally involvded in the game. I would expect a scum Geript to sit back and +1 or play the dumbass card. Here he is showing signs of thinking through possibilities to avoid the tunnel. That's pretty townie in my book. | ||
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On August 11 2013 00:06 geript wrote: No Oats, I've just been busy between work and coaching. Agree with oats.. this is a fucken Weird answer I Want explanation of why this addresses oats suspicion | ||
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On August 11 2013 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok phagga more town than geript. Gut ftw. ... Explain that one pls The answer about being busy was odd but not enough to auto declare phagga town.. | ||
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Geript is antitown and hapa/phagga is antitown What is Geript. And which of hapa/phagga is the other? | ||
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On August3 00:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Post below that. Geript feels less involved than phagga. Also, he's been trying to get the unlynchable townie to claim the whole game. Oats. Q How would u expect unlynchable to act? Vs vt? | ||
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On August 11 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: geirpt isnt jester so hes scum. hapa is jester. Ok Firstly if u agree hapa is jester... can u pls unvote Secondly. If scum is under fire. Would u not expect him to increase care factor a la phagga?? | ||
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I'm saying. Phagga didn't dial up the care factor until under fire.then he fully cranked up the omgus Why would scum Geript cafe about the game and then fade? Esp when we still not close to a conclusion?? | ||
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Second point is.. why would scum go to the effort if getting town cred and then kiss that away.. especially when we not close to sealing a vote? Whilst I agree a townie could increase care factor if pressured. I still interpret phagga as scum. Mainly due to the omgus, overly fabricated case points and his planning of day2 when I'm trying to end the game day1. | ||
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Personally I think the day2 thing is huge. I'm surprised u can gloss over it with a cavalier attitude Night dude | ||
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Town win if lynch scum Scum lynch if survive 2 days.. lose if lynch jester Jester wins if lynched As far as I was concerned that's enough.. Lynch mafia and win day1 Why would I be considering day2 strategy when day1 isn't over... That's the mindset if someone who doesn't care about the day1 lynch outcome.. I.e mafia... I'm off now. Leave out | ||
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I think scum have to consider day2 cos they have to figure firstly who they can vote day1 And what combination if ppl they can survive with day2. E.g. phagga is scum and somehow we voted off Geript day1...scum phagga knows I'm gonna come after him day2.. so ideally he won't push that situation to occur.. or he can nk me or whatever So I still think it's certainly antitown to be thinking about day2. Hence to me it is a big deal | ||
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Maybe I have a bigger scum hunter ego.. but At least in my head that makes sense On that note. Im off for good. Ciao | ||
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Oats...grow a pair of balls. Fact. Hapa IS 99%jester. Out of the 4 remaining...1lynch ends game And 3 take it to day2.... It acting as if each lynch choice is the ducking jester | ||
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Yes, Oats is being incredibly frustrating. Hes clearly not confident, and appears to be just cycling through each player - hoping one caves under the "pressure". Frankly, I believe this type of behavior to still townish. If Oats is *jester*.. this 'acting' is just too much effort to set himself up for lynch... I really cant see this being the case. If Oats is *Scum*... and he didnt read phagga as jester, he could have secured an easy mislynch.. so again, I find this unlikely. If Oats is *scum*... and he DID read phagga as jester, the hesisitation to another read (i.e. Geript) makes sense. But, carrying this across to everyone else.. I dunno, again.. too much effort for 'acting' in my opinion. Im reading a guy that is very unsecure/unconfident in his reads..so im sticking with townie. ================== I will admit that I am a wits end dealing with him though. Its like repeatedly banging ya head against the wall, saying the same thing 3 times for it to finally click. At this point, after what ?4 real life days? we seem to have no traction beyond 2votes on a person. I dont know how long we can keep going at a standstill like this, and people like Hapa are non-existent; which makes the policy lynch so fuckn god damn tempting.. .cos you forget about jester. So... right now I am at the point I would give consideration to just lynching the "lynchproof", That way we can just go into Day2 with 4 ppl.. hopefully making the game easier to solve (especially if jester is shot). | ||
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I felt what made me scummy at the end. Wad that I didn't give up on oats. | ||
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That's why I never responded to your cases. I'm surprised I could get away with that to be honest. I guess next time u write a case u need to push for a response. The other thing is. I genuinely wasn't thinking about day2 and I wa sscum. So I hammered that point because it was something that was authentic to me. I guess u let me get embroiled in a war of "setup" which hapa correctly pointed out was not alignment indicative. Tough game... Oats kept me hanging for SO SO long.. He was clearly town Geript was town just from first post in game That left me with hapa/phagga to push... Hapa was jester by his second post so I was only left with phagga. Lastly. I deliberated over the Nk a fair bit. Clearly it worked out awesome for me.. but I expected to lose. I wanted to kill phagga.. but wasn't confident what oats would do day2. In the end I killed oats because he was indecisive and coulda dragged the game out another 4 days. At least Geript would either vote for or against me. | ||
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On August 12 2013 09:29 geript wrote: Apparently meta on Moc is still applicable. Interesting. I thought about devoting, but didn't care. I'm tired of dealing with oats. And yeah, the oats kill was super odd and I should've thought about it more. I can't explain why you were scummy Moc. Just one of those things. Yeah. Oats really pissed me off too. I was happy to lose. Just was sick of how long it all dragged out. But yeah that's the irony..it's townue to give up and say fuck u...it's scummy to tough it out and keep trying. Lol | ||
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In my head. The timeline if events went as I wrote.. lol.. so much wrongness  | ||
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On August 12 2013 09:39 phagga wrote: In the end it was probably my most frustrating game so far. I had the whole game solved, knew who was scum, but was unable to convince the other townies. I raged so hard at times in front of the computer. That's probably part of the reason why my case was so overdone, i was so angry when I wrote it. I did my job then | ||
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Setup wise. I liked it...it's lonely playing scum solo from start though | ||
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I was considering killing phagha and then trying to get oats to lynch u..playing the whole... Scum framed me my killing phagha card Main reason I killed oats was not because he was universal townie..but because his vote was not predictable at all. I guess we all view the game differently.. which is what makes solving the game interesting. | ||
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However.. the ones he quoted took the word use out of context I'm sure there's plenty others I just used the word as sublimjnal confirmation and felt that coulda really damned me. As for bh and the shennanies of day2.. I get that can work.. but not with the crop of players we had...ppl like Geript/oats were too townie. No way jester would believe counter claim...also the sharedwin makes the game somewhat easier in. My opinion.. in fact I was annoyed hapa died because I was banking on him for shared win con. | ||
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Lynching phagga and then the night kill We would outnumber town 2 to 1. Bh is saying that's where the fun starts as town can fake claim. But I still think we had it in the bag Anyways. Why call me out as jester? | ||
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Can be sold as scum not wanting to hammer If u didn't turn on the full regard switch. Then yes. U were literally unlynchable. And not just by role | ||
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The town established themselves way too early. And when I tried to poke for reactions I the instantly called scum..only way I stayed in the game was by forcing the jester to become important..if the same 5 ppl played again. Random roles. I think it would be easy solved early day1 | ||
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