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On August 19 2013 07:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
If we take it at face value, Deus didn't think LosK was scum and panicked, Slam was sheeping him both onto the LosK lynch and Xzavier one I believe as there isn't much of a reason given by Slam. Deus at least said "I don't think LosK is scum" or something to that effect.
The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum.
But why would Alakaslam sheep such a horrible vote? I could accept Deus' explanation that he thought it was majority lynch, but I can't think of any reason for Alakaslam's vote besides the one I proposed above.
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On August 19 2013 07:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum.
Maybe that was an attempt to distance from the scumbuddy, vote him and then switch to the counterwagon. Which kind of failed when a counterwagon didn't appear. Would that make sense? Or just plain bus when it seemed like he'd be the only real candidate (the wagon formed relatively close to the deadline after all).
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On August 19 2013 14:09 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 13:18 iVLosK! wrote:On August 19 2013 10:51 iVLosK! wrote:
Pages 27-29 are almost exclusively filled with connection theories. And poor ones. A connection theory where the theorist doesn't know the alignment of both subjects is complete shit. ... And useless fluff used to appear contributory. Also, apparently I'm supposed to respond to something. If you quote it, I might. Hi I'm back Read Holyflare's filter But basically I need to help convince town we aren't scum team because I went and was an idiot and got wishy washy The juices flow Ok so I voted vlosk because he hasn't been explicitly helpful, and then I remembered my meta impression of him was fallacious... Then I get the juices of reservation flowing and lo and behold deus is reserved too and I think to myself "I was reps hammer last time and in the event iVLosk is messing around to later be bamcis town he would be a great loss as a mislynch crap crap what we do now" and he voted Xzavier and I remembered HolyFlare and was like "oh yeah" and I was in hurry like 5 minutes from deadline so I just did it was not thinking straight and boom. So scummy like "ok let's bus vlosk and then not do it lol and since I think he is so bamcis I should just not make sense" or I don't even know what my scum motive for that mistake is.
Wow, that's weak. "He's messing around to later be awesome" is your reason for doing that utterly horrible voteswitch?
So who would you lynch today?
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On August 18 2013 23:34 Alakaslam wrote:
It will be a while before day post but I will be gone
Koshi may be right, but I'm not exactly a fan of nighttime confirming towns either
DeusXmachina has been looking bad
IVLosk, well looks like he is in same boat as me, I say give him a chance- which we will 2morrow (which comes in 5 hours xD)
HolyFlare looks o.k. But only o.k.
Finally, I would be suspect of justanothertownie.
End night gutreads
Has your stance on any of these changed?
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On August 19 2013 22:42 Alakaslam wrote:
I know sorry about being gone.
I am here now gimme a bit to read.
While you're here, give me a read on Omni please?
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On August 19 2013 23:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, I don't want to OMGUS but as he thinks I am second scummiest in the game I naturally think he is at least misguided, but if that's my fault for principle voteswitching I get it. Captain hindsight can work mightily in people.
Wait, so your read is "he's either scum or not"?
Care to explain what principle was that voteswitch based on?
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On August 20 2013 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 00:52 LoneMeow wrote:On August 19 2013 23:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, I don't want to OMGUS but as he thinks I am second scummiest in the game I naturally think he is at least misguided, but if that's my fault for principle voteswitching I get it. Captain hindsight can work mightily in people.
Wait, so your read is "he's either scum or not"? Care to explain what principle was that voteswitch based on? Yeah. Principle was "I refuse to lynch town and we said we would lynch lurkers and also it feels like I am being svengali'd to vote iVLosK! somehow". In other words, I was practically going nuts, is it impossible to read the intense atmosphere at the time? And lol- good point, but yes my read is idunno, leaning town. I am saying if he thinks it's scum it's my fault anyway, so being wrong is not scummy like I wish it was. Then anyone who accused me would be scum and I'd win every town game :D
I don't really see how it was that intense compared to many other lynches that have gone around in games you've been in.
Could you point out what changed your opinion on iVLosK! so drastically from "I could lynch him" to "he's definitely town, so I'll rather random lynch a 0-poster"? You must have been quite sure that he's town to consider a 0-poster lynch a better option at 2/9 odds of hitting scum.
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On August 20 2013 01:45 Alakaslam wrote:
@above: I was NOT THINKING THAT CLEARLY lone. The way I saw it was WHOLLY UNreasonable; I saw it as not falling for a day1 mislynch again without giving a player with some exp a chance to shine versus someone lurking like mad.
I have no thought to "how likely is Xzavier to be scum" because I was thinking "HolyFlare made a good point about lurking last-second posters, I bet Xzavier does last minute" etc etc- the switch was 100% nervous voter's remorse sheep.
Unfortunately that works perfectly as an excuse a scum could make. It really doesn't help your case that you're being wishy washy about your reads (just check what you gave as a "read" on Omni above). So please tell us who's your top lynch candidate and make it at least somewhat convincing.
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On August 20 2013 01:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah
I would lynch either you or deus xD more likely Deus
Why? Reasons required here. Also, who was "you" in this?
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Deus' case on JAT is kind of OMGUS, but seems like a town reaction, if he was scum I'd expect him to push Alakaslam since he's obviously much more likely lynch than JAT.
Holyflare, your read on Deus?
iVLosK!, could you perhaps try to help us figure this game out and provide reads on Deus and Alakaslam?
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On August 20 2013 06:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Lone what is your opinion on Alakaslam? Can you read him at all?
To be honest I'm not so sure I can read him right now. Trying to find a game where he was scum for style comparison. He largely gives me a scummy vibe, seeing how he's not producing any real reads and not being really helpful to figuring the game out, but that kinda fits the way he's played as town before so I'm somewhat torn. Leaning scum but uncertain is the best I can do right now on him.
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I can't get a read on Alakaslam. He's been town in all previous games, so no meta to compare. The Xzavier vote shenigans make him look bad but that's basically all I can get on him.
An interesting point to think about: The only player to give a town read on Deus is iVLosK!.
Going to go back and re-read some filters.
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On August 20 2013 23:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Holy I town read (past tense) deus too.
Past tense because now that I think too many people are town everyone got kicked to null again. So I will shower, prepare for work, read, and try to give reads.
Wait, what the heck. Your read on Deus is changing so fast I can't even keep track of it. Why did your opinion on him change to town after you made your case on him? Didn't see any reasoning with your unvote.
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Also, right now I'm agreeing with lynching Deus.
##Vote: DeusXmachina
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On August 21 2013 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:Read Lones filter and still think most of his posts are pretty townie although he should contribute more. There is only one thing I don't really get. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:35 LoneMeow wrote:
Deus' case on JAT is kind of OMGUS, but seems like a town reaction, if he was scum I'd expect him to push Alakaslam since he's obviously much more likely lynch than JAT.
Holyflare, your read on Deus?
iVLosK!, could you perhaps try to help us figure this game out and provide reads on Deus and Alakaslam? Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:31 LoneMeow wrote:
Also, right now I'm agreeing with lynching Deus.
##Vote: DeusXmachina What happened between these posts, Lone?
My top scum read ended up being the only one who was resisting the lynch besides Deus himself, and Alakaslam started looking more town to me. Sadly Slam's latest uselessness made him look less town again so I feel this lynch is a bit unsafe, I'd far prefer lynching iVLosK! who still hasn't really contributed much to the scum hunt at all.
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On August 21 2013 01:54 Alakaslam wrote:
I'm back for a bit
Help me vlosk, what is up. Can check again in a sec. Digging a hole.
##Unvote
Salome has goo data today, maybe I am the only one using atm
Explain to me in very clear terms why you want so badly to sheep iVLosK!, because I don't see any way you as town could know for sure what his alignment is.
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On August 21 2013 02:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:26 LoneMeow wrote:On August 21 2013 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:Read Lones filter and still think most of his posts are pretty townie although he should contribute more. There is only one thing I don't really get. On August 20 2013 06:35 LoneMeow wrote:
Deus' case on JAT is kind of OMGUS, but seems like a town reaction, if he was scum I'd expect him to push Alakaslam since he's obviously much more likely lynch than JAT.
Holyflare, your read on Deus?
iVLosK!, could you perhaps try to help us figure this game out and provide reads on Deus and Alakaslam? On August 20 2013 23:31 LoneMeow wrote:
Also, right now I'm agreeing with lynching Deus.
##Vote: DeusXmachina What happened between these posts, Lone? My top scum read ended up being the only one who was resisting the lynch besides Deus himself, and Alakaslam started looking more town to me. Sadly Slam's latest uselessness made him look less town again so I feel this lynch is a bit unsafe, I'd far prefer lynching iVLosK! who still hasn't really contributed much to the scum hunt at all. I see. Makes sense somehow. Could you make a case on iVLosk then?
I don't think I can do a full case in the time remaining before lynch, but mainly my points are his reluctance to hunt scum, the lack of reads (the only strong read he's given so far is his case against me, which is a very weak case in my eyes) and just generally being useless. Also avoiding taking a stance on the pressing issue of Slam vs Deus is incriminating.
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On August 21 2013 02:33 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:31 OmniEulogy wrote:
well, I'm not voting JAT. He's still a town read for me. I'm not gonna jump onto a wagon to lynch somebody who imo is a townie. I've said it before but the only two people I'm willing to vote for today is Deus or Slam and right now I think everything points towards Deus being scummier, although Slam's vote jumping around constantly again is worrying. I can't tell if he's just sheeping and is easily influenced or if he just doesn't care who he votes for. If you cannot be sold then vote no-lynch. You will dig your own grave if you vote me. If you are town, you are in the unique undesirable position of being the one to lose the game. Unvote me.
How would him voting no-lynch make any sense whatsoever in this situation?
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On August 21 2013 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:34 LoneMeow wrote:On August 21 2013 02:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 21 2013 02:26 LoneMeow wrote:On August 21 2013 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:Read Lones filter and still think most of his posts are pretty townie although he should contribute more. There is only one thing I don't really get. On August 20 2013 06:35 LoneMeow wrote:
Deus' case on JAT is kind of OMGUS, but seems like a town reaction, if he was scum I'd expect him to push Alakaslam since he's obviously much more likely lynch than JAT.
Holyflare, your read on Deus?
iVLosK!, could you perhaps try to help us figure this game out and provide reads on Deus and Alakaslam? On August 20 2013 23:31 LoneMeow wrote:
Also, right now I'm agreeing with lynching Deus.
##Vote: DeusXmachina What happened between these posts, Lone? My top scum read ended up being the only one who was resisting the lynch besides Deus himself, and Alakaslam started looking more town to me. Sadly Slam's latest uselessness made him look less town again so I feel this lynch is a bit unsafe, I'd far prefer lynching iVLosK! who still hasn't really contributed much to the scum hunt at all. I see. Makes sense somehow. Could you make a case on iVLosk then? I don't think I can do a full case in the time remaining before lynch, but mainly my points are his reluctance to hunt scum, the lack of reads (the only strong read he's given so far is his case against me, which is a very weak case in my eyes) and just generally being useless. Also avoiding taking a stance on the pressing issue of Slam vs Deus is incriminating. You are right about his reserved play but if he is town then it is understandable if he thinks slam/deus are town don't you think?
I don't really see how Deus/Slam being town would change the fact that I'd expect a town player in his situation to be probing and pushing others to figure out who's town and who's scum.
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Deus, if you want to have a snowballs chance in hell of convincing me you have to provide something beyond "read my case on JAT, he's scum". Who would you think is likely the other scum? Why?
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