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On September 22 2013 02:50 marvellosity wrote: DP is fine. No, I don't want to elaborate. If I had to lynch a person right now, it would be LoneMeow. Open his filter and look at this quote if you'd like to know why. ftfy | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:59 marvellosity wrote: I'm not going to think about geript until I'm forced to think about geript. Which is hopefully not this cycle. It's all just this blerghy mess. thoughts on rayn | ||
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i strongly dislike the way like half of the people in this game play for example: koshi, kush, VA, lurkers, risen | ||
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Chairman Ray I think that was a really really really weak post that exudes none of the confidence that I hope a town player would have. whoever we were talking about before with 2 posts that sucked about pandain and wave(or someone) is still probably the best lynch. I thought BC was in this game  I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Someone else posted about lynching for information which i think is appalling... next we're gonna hear something like "dont direct blues!!11!111!!!!!" I think theres a lot of people making reads based on them not liking someone's playstyle and this is bad mmmmmK? | ||
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On September 22 2013 13:11 Risen wrote: You're in trouble then matt. I'm town. meh theres a reason you were last on the list, you'll pick it up and flip out on someone/thing eventually as town | ||
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On September 22 2013 04:38 Stutters695 wrote: Marv, lynch Kush with me? On September 22 2013 07:43 Stutters695 wrote: Finally off work. Why exactly is it better to lynch someone who gives us no info from the flip over someone who has actually interacted with people? these posts back to back are pretty funny | ||
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and i can get down on a yamato vote for reasons stated above by others or a stutters vote cause hypocrisy | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's your stance on Koshi and Mocsta? koshi reads as badtown/scum to me, however when i looked at his filter in his last game he played an extremely similar way as town. So I dont want to lynch him Mocsta is town to me, I have to look at why i formulated that opinion, but he has a green box around his name in my spreadsheet | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:16 Mocsta wrote: Too scummy to be scum dude. I just coached this fucker in the newbies. hence the comment about "setting trapz" Look, I actually liked his insight when i probed him more. its not a firm town read by any means, but I think hes certainly not worth a vote outright. ok i wont vote him today, but i want more opinion on stutters? | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:19 DarthPunk wrote: Mattchew. You got a read on marv yet? no, and i never will | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:46 DarthPunk wrote: He dropped 1 massively crafted post. Then left without waiting to see the responses or flesh things out via interaction with the thread. That in itself is scummy IMO. i dont know what yamato is like as scum, but his play comes off to me more as "when you read my opinions you should just agree with them because they are that right" | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:57 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, but thats a relatively easy tell to produce as either alingment, especially when its your trademark. Just like DP being a tunnel machine as a trademark  --> Just JokesHeres one for you. Some gave yam a town read because he "broke up the DP/Geript thing - "constructively". Do you classify that as an alignment indicative action? no those people are bad | ||
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Aa flight 140 out of bwi Anyway, can i get some more opinions on stutters (especially marv) | ||
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##vote yamato | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:16 geript wrote: Oh yah, this is why. There's no way to really know how many fucks a player gives unless you know his alignment. This just seems like a really weird statement from a town perspective as a 1 of in the middle of things. Wut | ||
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im a little out of the loop on tl mafia, can you list who the experienced players are in this game, i know most i think but i want a full list | ||
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my vote stayed on yamato because he didn't overreact to a lynch push on him, he didnt even call me scum for voting him, he hasnt been super aggressive the whole game wave should be medic'd DP has to be town theres no way scum gets that upset about an apparent mod mistake town lynch Mocsta is clearly town i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurker this FT post is long but literally says nothing. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote: Finally got some decent reads. :D Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation. As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them. We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term. Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots. Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used. Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned. no i will not give my reasoning for marv being scum... plus if im wrong which i probably am because i suck at marvreading, he'll be dead soon enough | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: So, for some people I'm too much of a dick this game. And for others, I'm too calm. Got it. the former are either very sensitive or not doing a good job | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Mattchew for the record, anything I'm capable of as town I'm capable of as scum. It's what makes me so dangerous as scum. no, but you keep believing that | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv always plays like that because he always plays for medic protection regardless of alignment. It's why he hates the Weak Doctor role. What's weird about it? we got you martrying, dp crying, and no one else really taking a supertown leader role... i would think if he were town he would realize he's probably number 1 on scums must die list, especially given how scary good he can be in the coming days. instead he seems like he doesnt even consider this and continues to post as if he's not gonna get shot i guess he could really think he's gonna be medic'd but who the hell would trust that in this game | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:52 marvellosity wrote: The irony being, VE, that I've been mediced more times as mafia than as town. And matt, you apologised as doctor once for not protecting me. well yeah... i (like so many others) was/am a dumbass | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Everyone should always post as if they're not gonna get shot. If everyone did, then scum would have a REALLY REALLY hard time keeping up. Anyway, the question becomes: do you think he's scum or don't you? After saying it and then explaining the thought-process behind it, you never really gave me a conclusion. I find that WAY weirder than anything marv's doing. And by weird, I mean scummy.  hes on my scum team a few posts ago | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Well he's saying I'm town for shitty reasons. or not, and you are just thinking very highly of yourself | ||
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Ve could if he caree Marv could if he was town | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:02 marvellosity wrote: Matt, the more you bs like this, the more I want to kill you. You've played with me so many times and you have zero reasons for me to be mafia in this game. It's getting pathetic. The second part of your first sentence is one of the few flaws in your play... We both know you know better | ||
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rayn, i'll address you eventually Marv is scum... in other news i could be wrong and have just talked myself into a nonsensical read. I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts. I am going to try and be as polite and respectful as possible writing this analysis but it probably wont work. Marv has a huge filter, is super active and seems to be the town leader. Who the fuck would want to mess with him, he is one of 2 people in this game that i know of that can be almost unfair as town. I need someone to point out to me anything marv has done that constitutes a case, or an extremely logic'd out read that completely makes sense. I may be out of the loop, but if there's one thing I know, its that Marv will put his entire thought process into the thread. This game he asks 10000 questions, pressures cases/lurkers (relatively softly especially for marv) and barely (if at all) contributes anything unique of his own. Maybe I have too much respect for his town play but to me it feels like he has said almost next to nothing depsite having one of the (if not the) longest filters in the game. The town marv I know is a leader just like in this game, but with an actual direction. His posts feel and read extremely flexible and his play has been extremely go with the flow especially for marv. How long has marv posted thoughts of stutters being scum and not actually pushed a goddamn thing? I still believe in my night 1 logic of him posting without the fear of death. Who the hell else in this game would scare scum? "but mattchew, i haven't been shot as town night 1 in the last like 30813098123 games" yeah well lets look at who's in those games (namely more respected players than here) and how the game has played out. Almost no one said marv was scum before day 2 and its basically been all me since then, why would he not think he was gonna get shot / double stacked at least. ps. bonus points for someone that collects all of marvs posts this game about other games in the past as either defense or deflection. pps townies stop being scared of marv's post count and rep ...........................................................i forget how to page break............................................................................... If VE says "well scum or town can do that" anymore and we listen to him, we will never have an educated lynch target ever. Its annoying. Because I am playing "bad", lets do town reads Yamato, Mocsta and (unfortunately) SNB are like townies number 1. Even though mocsta is wrong with his case on me for not very good reason, he's still town as fuck cause you can see that he actually believes im scum and wants to push it, not that he's just pushing the case to push a mislynch. You all should know why Yamato is town and unless DP knew ahead of his "fuck the world i hate everyone" emo phase that he was leaving the game, it was likely genuine. Ps. Yamato is the homey now, I have seen the light. I am a dumbass and he is smart, lets be friends even if I get mislynched today Kush is most likely town. I dont think he could resist having people listen to him, which when theres no pressure of a lynch of you and you are trolling seems extremely unlikely for scum to do, also he made the best case against me Coag is also most likely town, cause he claims a shot and he has given a tiny bit more of a fuck then he really needed to (lol at me trying to read coag and kush, I must be going crazy) Geript is most likely town cause of his battle with DP (granted me thinking DP is town). I dont know geript but I do know DP and his ability to tunnel. I dont see why any scum would want that amount of attention on themselves and have to get into that much of a pissing match early on. im pretty sure rayn has been pushing people to post better while posting his own thought process. ceph is probably town too, i have him green highlighted and i have to go back to remember why ...........................................................i forget how to page break............................................................................... Players I want to see flip Its weird, I originally had Firmtofu down as a townread (in my own notes), then I called him scum cause of a post because of the reason mentioned there. I think i looked at the first vote too hard thinking him not being lynched caused ray to be lynched, but his push was really after the original Ray (mislynch) push. I need to look into him further tomorrow Stutters could still be scum and honestly has done nothing to prove me wrong about my worries all along, he pushed and tunneled (as in only talked about) kush the entire day 1 and has just now of day 2 had 1 post about lonemeow which represents the opinions many others have already stated. I dont think he has said anything that adapts to this particular game, (kushpolicy and sheeping) somewhere in pandain/sent/zar/jat there just has to be some scum or i will probably cry. I have noticed a lot of weak posting by lonemeow. I have tried not to jump on it too hastily but how many times can i hear something about him being newb or having nothing to add (i think a couple others have said this, and it just makes my blood boil)... the ease in which he has been pushed around is unsettling though, so he's lower than a lot of other people on my "should die" list ...........................................................i forget how to page break............................................................................... other shit other than post more somone needs to tell me what VE has done that makes everyone think hes town all of a sudden. I have seen too many people compliment his improvement, but what the hell has he done because I cant find it in his posts? these people off put me I will not defend myself extensively. To answer basically rayn's entire post, I tried to generate a stutters conversation, but no one would talk to me about it, so in thread, it basically died. it was day 1 and I wasn't extremely confident i have been posting from a phone most of this game, as I read the thread while working. Its something for me to do as I pass the time between surgeries and case studies. I could easily lurk and basically ward off all suspicion by doing so (cause HEY GUYS LURKERS HAVE BASICALLY GOTTEN A FREE PASS THIS GAME) but i dont, and with scum in the position they are currently in, why the fuck wouldn't i do this? (self meta/analyzing is so dirty feeling) mocsta keeps thinking im super easy to read as town, because when i play in a 6-9 person VM game that lasts 20 minutes (which im there and active for) I try to logic shit out (mostly because with that few players, it is actually a logic game) ... this is the basis of his entire case, which so many people have sheeped and jumped on. Isn't it just a little strange the ease in which votes have just been rained down upon me? nah bro's this is totes normal And you all can keep calling my play bad, but I have explained my reads and reasoning (albeit not in long winded posts like here) better than atleast half the players in this game, probably more (as if thats saying much) | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:11 Mocsta wrote: Thnx mattychew for the spew. Would have been nice if u explained why the case was bad. Hasn't changed my mind though. On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote: mocsta keeps thinking im super easy to read as town, because when i play in a 6-9 person VM game that lasts 20 minutes (which im there and active for) I try to logic shit out (mostly because with that few players, it is actually a logic game) ... this is the basis of his entire case, which so many people have sheeped and jumped on. read, then post | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:15 Mocsta wrote: Yeah I saw. And the voice mafia part was an addendum based on u being easy to read as town in voice. I admitted the skills don't necessarily transfer. The crux of the case was how u dealt with stutters. That has been ignored in full On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote: To answer basically rayn's entire post, I tried to generate a stutters conversation, but no one would talk to me about it, so in thread, it basically died. it was day 1 and I wasn't extremely confident come on dude | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:21 Mocsta wrote: Again. That wasn't the crux U used others to generate the convo in your behalfu even admit it again now When it fails.. u don't even follow up though being around. U come on dude cause time of activity = alignment I tried to use others to generate any conversation about a player I had a read early on in the game. I was hoping that someone would give me any insight into what I was thinking in terms of it being right or wrong. I dont regret my vote on yamato, although in hindsight I would have liked to have been around (i dont think i was around but idk) and help lynched FT cause after you and wave posted reasons for him not being scum i knew that was a bad lynch | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:34 Mocsta wrote: Matey, I just don't buy it, for all the reasons explained here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=143#2850 Its pretty easy to see that you have skimmed and produced minute details to attack the case that people were voting for you; and then tried to glamour this up by making a counter-?case? on marv + giving out some premature reads 24hrs before flip. Ultimately, you're still my scum read. I am not going to argue with you about whether you are scum. oh, i never even considered that youre just bad, carry on | ||
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And risen i see what youre saying, that sucks being too right | ||
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On September 25 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote: BTW, nice prose write up This is such a load of malarkey, and I need to write something about it. We aren't in the newbie leagues here. Scum selection / Town selection / Blue selection is random. I hate it when ppl make the vet argument. Next you're going to say that yamato can't roll scum 3 games in a row.. or oatsmaster can't get the cop role 4 games out of 5. *ohh wait.. it happened recently* Lol i write that up as a flaw in my logic, this is getting hard to converse with you... But hey your finally reading my post! | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:18 LoneMeow wrote: Between Cephiro and FirmTofu I'd prefer to lynch FirmTofu. I'll try to be back before deadline but as I'm not even sure anymore when it is, no guarantees. ##Vote: FirmTofu I would lynch this | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:26 justanothertownie wrote: Noted. I am not saying LM is town but I think it is very possible that he is just overwhelmed by the size and the players of this game. He is an easy target for scum and I don't like the people on the wagon that much. Why is he easy... Is it because he's... Scummy? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 23 pages of filter I hope he's town. this is the worst post ever, not in terms of alignment | ||
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Marv ignoring Ceph's before game I won't be around a lot and not equating that to a big game with a lot of posts making it hard to play without a lot of time is weird, weirdly scummy | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:16 ObviousOne wrote: I HOPE HE'S TOWN TOO JESUS CHRIST MATT DO YOU HOPE HE'S SCUM? I hope everyone is town and we win just win right now? I don't hope he's anything, I just try to figure out what he is | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:19 ObviousOne wrote: It implies a town read and "I HOPE IM RIGHT" You disagree, show us. where the fuck have you been | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:22 ObviousOne wrote: Sleeping. It's part of the non-game-related spoiler I posted earlier. You're not showing us he's mafia. You're complaining about town reads on him. Where's your campaign on marv? Why are you voting LM if you think marv is scum? this proves you have not read the game at all | ||
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yam, moc, decon, SNB, and zaragon are all town, dont start this shitty meta thing with moc VE is probably town, but i would like to see some effort eventually out of him, the "slip" was weird though i mean you would think he would pay extra attention to the flip as scum cause the dude was the doctor so its almost a town slip kush is still probably town but who the fuck knows with kush Coag seems to care a little so he's probably town koshi is likely town, he seems geuinely interested in getting people lynched and just cant type it out like I (or i believe anyone else) would actually like him to if cephiro eventually flips scum, i will have been wrong about marv, probably. I dont put ANYTHING past his scum play though so marv you can think of it as a compliment outside of game... that being said I have a slightly town read on cephiro, he seems to be posting freely without hesitation rayn is likely town i think cause he like is pushing whatever he thinks is right at the moment which seems like his town meta JAT is likely town, his reluctance to jump on Mocsta's fake claim and instead figure out his thoughts in the thread seemed really really townie and this is just one example, there are more posts of thought process throughout the game geript seems sincere, he can be left alive for a while Umasi has tried to explain his thought process to the thread... idk he might be town just cause of that, but he should probably do more than the 0 he has done to help town Pandain i share some reads with and really got after VE to post, hes the slighest bit town leaning but I could be convinced otherwise Risen needs to do something MR CC and iamperf, you guys can figure out.. idk/care about them right now OO doesnt read so im a little null malongo is likely to be modkilled, or so i hope he is. Koshi and FT both lumped him into groups of names that meant little (although they did both list him first).. i am pretty sure (i am running out of time and trying to post this before deadline) marv is the only one to straight up talk about him directly... I say this because if he flips scum, the only people thinking of him would probably be his teammates wondering about his modkill and NK shit... this is just a hunch and may turn out stupid but it could be discussed and that leaves 4 people that I would lean scummy on and vote for tomorrow FT should probably die at some point soon to clear up some of d1 and the fact that im pretty sure he's scum btw his town reads are too abrupt and sure Stutters has been scummy to me the whole game and should be lynched tomorrow marv is still scum in my mind and has probably had to really step his game up cause this would be a relatively weak team Sent is scummy as shit too as many others have mentioned | ||
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On September 27 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going on strike until we get some fucking modkills. Period. true talk homey | ||
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On September 27 2013 21:45 iamperfection wrote: Everyone give a read on me this is a mandatory assignment. Coag is excused Self centered | ||
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