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On September 24 2013 06:34 Zaragon wrote:
With FT, at first I had a genuine vibe from him, a distracted town catching up and giving decent points along the way. I found them similar to mine at that point.
After he disappeared and came back into the game (again) I didn't get a "town catching up" vibe, I got a scum "I have to make myself look townier, quick, something" vibe. When someone tries to make a case on me based on "fluff" and also votes Chairman Ray very late, obviously from my point of view they look very scummy.
That gives VE some good circumstances to drop from my scummiest reads--which would give me a better context read on FT since part of my town read on FT was how he read VE--but I don't know what to make of VE's posts now. There is no drive in those posts, town or scum.
VE what are your specific thoughts about FT?
I agree with you regarding how he returned (the second time) to the thread. I'd add that the first time he came back (and was "pointing things out as he was reading") I didn't feel the posts to be super genuine. Like, the placemarkers at the beginning (Pg 33, ect) felt more like he was trying to put out the vibe that he was reading and catching up more than actually labeling the posts as he was reading. Like, they were mostly just questions about specific posts or comments about posts in general that he was labeling with page numbers...could he not have just left the page-numbers off and achieved the same thing?
Something else I didn't like this post:
On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Finally got some decent reads. :D
Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.
As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.
We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.
Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.
Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.
Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.
The thing about this post is this: look at the first line. "Finally got some decent reads." Now look at the rest of the post. Zero reads. Like, okay fine...but if he was town why would he dedicate this whole post to trying to direct vigs then leave out ALL of his reads? He comes back in later with a singular scumread, but what about this abomination?
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The only thing that makes me think FT might be town was how the lynch went down yesterday. The lynch was pretty close, but with very few votes deciding the actual lynch. That leads me to believe that both of the wagons were town, and scum didn't particularly care who of the two candidates actually died.
However this is not conclusive and my own subjective opinion of how the voting panned out.
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On September 24 2013 07:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:13 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:On September 24 2013 06:36 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
FT is a decent shot primarily because he might be mafia but also it gives us lots of information on the wagons. Knowing if it was town/town or town/mafia would be really nice.
Risen I'd like to see dead for being a worse version of coag. To repeat, his reaction to the lynch was "rofl" and his only contribution since then was saying something that VE had already pointed out in his own post. Since when is self-excusing fillpost a good post? Since when did he say it was a good post? why respond to it, when you've not bothered playing any of the rest of the game so far? you specifically chose to respond to a post which already pointed out that what it was saying wasn't worth much. Just totally useless. Are you scum? Did you just say in effect "Why are you pointing out bad posts? That's just filler"??? Are you monumentally dumb? VE said "I know self-meta isn't relevant, but here's a little tidbit" then you spent a whole post explaining why self-meta isn't relevant. Brilliant, Risen. Your brilliance and intelligence is truly astounding.
Agree/Disagree re: FT?
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On September 24 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 07:15 marvellosity wrote:On September 24 2013 07:13 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:On September 24 2013 06:36 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
FT is a decent shot primarily because he might be mafia but also it gives us lots of information on the wagons. Knowing if it was town/town or town/mafia would be really nice.
Risen I'd like to see dead for being a worse version of coag. To repeat, his reaction to the lynch was "rofl" and his only contribution since then was saying something that VE had already pointed out in his own post. Since when is self-excusing fillpost a good post? Since when did he say it was a good post? why respond to it, when you've not bothered playing any of the rest of the game so far? you specifically chose to respond to a post which already pointed out that what it was saying wasn't worth much. Just totally useless. Are you scum? Did you just say in effect "Why are you pointing out bad posts? That's just filler"??? Are you monumentally dumb? VE said "I know self-meta isn't relevant, but here's a little tidbit" then you spent a whole post explaining why self-meta isn't relevant. Brilliant, Risen. Your brilliance and intelligence is truly astounding. Agree/Disagree re: FT? I agree with everything really, including your reservations about the vote numbers. would be kinda lovely just to magically know his alignment ;p
Well which do you find to be more likely? Right now I'm leaning scum...the page number'd posts things seems too contrived to come from a townie. Like...I'm town and I've been saying for like 3 hours that I'm catching up, but I've felt no desire to label what page I'm on. What's the point?
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Merv I'm gonna say this because I feel obligated. You're agreeing with me more than I'd expect you to as town. As town I generally expect you to tell me that I'm wrong more than you have this game.
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To clarify: I don't think this makes you scum, it just makes me uneasy with my townread of you.
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I just mean like...I don't know it's hard to explain. Like sometimes I'll say something and you'll just say something dismissive like "I don't think it looks like that at all" or "X might be scum, but it's not because of that" or something along those lines. More assertive, like you're correcting me or something. I haven't gotten anything like that from you this game.
Anyway, like I said - I felt obliged to say it because I felt it and if you're scum I didn't want it to go unsaid. I still read you as town, it's just something I noticed.
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On September 24 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
kinda suspicious of you for dropping that randomly in there tbh VE.
oh well.
Honesty = Scummy.
Noted.
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No I think I'm done.
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No I get it - just forget I said anything.
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Oh there's also the fact that gumshoe is now BH who has posted but said literally nothing about the game. I had forgotten that he was even replaced until decon reminded me with his personal filter list. That's another point against gumshoe imo. He could be waiting to catch up, but a town BH isn't generally so stoic.
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Why don't you tell us Risen? Has it reached that point with marv yet? Do you think he's scum directing conversation/filling post history? Or do you think he's town conversing with me about inane stuff?
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On September 24 2013 07:58 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why don't you tell us Risen? Has it reached that point with marv yet? Do you think he's scum directing conversation/filling post history? Or do you think he's town conversing with me about inane stuff? I don't know or I would have posted with much more conviction. If I die marv would be the first person I would want lynched after VA/FT, though. If he flips red I think it makes you look much worse. Equally you flipping red makes him look much worse imo
Would you like some wish to go with your wash? 
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On September 24 2013 07:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:58 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 07:55 yamato77 wrote:
deconduo calls me out for the small content in my filter
are you serious Why is this a bad thing? 1) I probably have more content this game than anyone else2) The posts he pointed out aren't even that bad he basically complained that I spammed a couple times, which is fucking stupid
I get so fucking sick of hearing you say this. You say it every fucking game. No, you don't have more content than everyone else. I wouldn't go so far as to say you're even in the lower half of the game with regard to content, but there are PLENTY of people with more content in this thread than you. Get over yourself Yamato.
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On September 24 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:01 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 07:59 yamato77 wrote:On September 24 2013 07:58 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 07:55 yamato77 wrote:
deconduo calls me out for the small content in my filter
are you serious Why is this a bad thing? 1) I probably have more content this game than anyone else2) The posts he pointed out aren't even that bad he basically complained that I spammed a couple times, which is fucking stupid I get so fucking sick of hearing you say this. You say it every fucking game. No, you don't have more content than everyone else. I wouldn't go so far as to say you're even in the lower half of the game with regard to content, but there are PLENTY of people with more content in this thread than you. Get over yourself Yamato. Find one person who has posted more meaningful content than me this game I will tear you apart in this argument, VE
No you won't because I'm not having it with you. Just stop acting like everything you do is some kind of super pro-town play and anyone who doesn't realize it is a fucking moron. That's all I ask.
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On September 24 2013 08:04 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 07:58 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why don't you tell us Risen? Has it reached that point with marv yet? Do you think he's scum directing conversation/filling post history? Or do you think he's town conversing with me about inane stuff? I don't know or I would have posted with much more conviction. If I die marv would be the first person I would want lynched after VA/FT, though. If he flips red I think it makes you look much worse. Equally you flipping red makes him look much worse imo Would you like some wish to go with your wash? Fair enough. Point stands, though. I'm just pointing out something I think isn't pro-town. That isn't necessarily saying you two are scum shitting up the thread, it just says "Hey look at these two circle jerkin it over here. Isn't that weird? Why would town do this? If they're still alive after VA/FT are dead they deserve some hard looking into and this is a point against them."
How about "Maybe they're town trying to get a read on the other because that particular read is of importance to them"?
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On September 24 2013 08:08 kushm4sta wrote:
VE and marv, you guys have really carried on the spam while Australia is sleeping. Well done.
Did you have anything you'd like to add? Maybe some reads or....something?
Like, there's content in the VE/marv back and forth, you seem to be completely neglecting commenting on it - I'm trying to decide if it's scummy shit-flinging or retarded townie just trying to talk shit. I'm leaning retarded townie, but I'd really like some content to get a better idea.
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I agree with your assessment. Like, "because I was pissed at the situation" doesn't really even make sense. What was there to be pissed about? And look at his reasoning for voting LoneMeow:
On September 23 2013 11:01 Cephiro wrote:
Okay, voting for LoneMeow because:
1) He's appareantly a new player I have no idea of
2) He started martyring which is something I dislike
3) This Ray guy on a quick look doesn't look like he should be killed
4) I have no idea about this FirmTofu guy
5) Some other wagons that were in the last votecount have players that I'm familiar with and am able to read during nightphase
How about 6) I think he's scum?
None of the reasons have anything to do with finding or killing scum. I can't even understand why he thinks any of the reasons he gave excuse his off-voting in the first place.
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EBWOP:
And look at 3 and 4...why not give a quick look on "this FirmTofu guy"? If being a new player he has no idea of (Number 1) is a lynchable offense, why wouldn't FT fit the bill as well?
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