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i really thought Koshi was scum as shit, and then I read another game where he plays similarly as town, some golden game or something, so like w.e
Chairman Ray I think that was a really really really weak post that exudes none of the confidence that I hope a town player would have.
whoever we were talking about before with 2 posts that sucked about pandain and wave(or someone) is still probably the best lynch.
I thought BC was in this game 
I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100?
Someone else posted about lynching for information which i think is appalling... next we're gonna hear something like "dont direct blues!!11!111!!!!!"
I think theres a lot of people making reads based on them not liking someone's playstyle and this is bad mmmmmK?
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On September 22 2013 13:11 Risen wrote:
You're in trouble then matt. I'm town.
meh theres a reason you were last on the list, you'll pick it up and flip out on someone/thing eventually as town
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On September 22 2013 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
Marv, lynch Kush with me?
On September 22 2013 07:43 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Ahya vigs. But in VA case, lynch better. Finally off work. Why exactly is it better to lynch someone who gives us no info from the flip over someone who has actually interacted with people?
these posts back to back are pretty funny
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Oh that reminds me.
Since there is no other discussion taking place right now and I won't be derailing any conversation:
Vigs by the end of the day I feel like we need to create a list of 'viggable' targets for N1. If anyone outside of those targets died we know they were killed by scum. I don't believe anyone who has actually shown even the slightest amount of effort today should be vigged (ie kush) but people who have like <5 posts (ie Vayne) could be.
We have absolutely no chance of winning this game (not that I have much faith in TL towns lately anyway, but still) if we allow lurkers and low posters to run rampant. The anti-town posters will have to come next unfortunately.
As for lynches we have to lynch scum.
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Meanwhile in the speakeasy..
kushm4sta (0): Mocsta
VisceraEyes (0): raynpelikoneet
DarthPunk (1): geript, VisceraEyes
geript (1): Pandain, DarthPunk
Pandain (1): LoneMeow
WaveofShadow (1): Mocsta
Coagulation (1): Mr. Cheesecake, [UoN]Sentinel
Mocsta (0): Koshi
LoneMeow (0): Umasi
VayneAuthority (2): Koshi, Pandain
Stutters695 (1): [UoN]Sentinel
..it's curtains for VayneAuthority. He's fish food in
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On September 22 2013 13:15 Mattchew wrote:i really thought Koshi was scum as shit, and then I read another game where he plays similarly as town, some golden game or something, so like w.e Chairman Ray I think that was a really really really weak post that exudes none of the confidence that I hope a town player would have. whoever we were talking about before with 2 posts that sucked about pandain and wave(or someone) is still probably the best lynch. I thought BC was in this game I am not allowed to read into wave's confidence right cause apparently he is always on fucks given level -100? Someone else posted about lynching for information which i think is appalling... next we're gonna hear something like "dont direct blues!!11!111!!!!!" I think theres a lot of people making reads based on them not liking someone's playstyle and this is bad mmmmmK?
Can you give me a rundown of the issues you see in my post?
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ya mattchew you bitch at a whole bunch of people but you should bitch about yourself as well because you also add nothing
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##Unvote: Wave
##Vote: Sentinel
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Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot.
At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch.
Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game.
Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now.
Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3
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On September 22 2013 14:12 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote: Wave
##Vote: Sentinel
Oh rearry Mocsta?
I'm not your strongest scumread anymore huh?
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On September 22 2013 14:17 Mocsta wrote:Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot. At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch. Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game. Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now.Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3
Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions.
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On September 22 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 14:17 Mocsta wrote:Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot. At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch. Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game. Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now.Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3 Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions.
Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows
On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Ohai ladies. I back. A few things: For those people asking about my intentions and posting regarding DP: I played a stretch of games with him a little while ago and became fairly confident in my townread of him. Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. My prodding served two purposes: first of all, as some of you may or may not know, DP likes to play his game with a pinch of salt, that is to say, he gets angry/annoyed pretty easily. As such after delving a little into attempting to determine his alignment I decided to see how he'd react to some dumb (and yet truthful) comments: + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? YEs NO NO Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that: A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die. B) potentially get medic protected Also: C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun. This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP? On September 21 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@DP
geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it.
He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me.
As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted. I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite. I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts. It's pretty damn meaningless. DP didn't take easy bait here and has actively REALLY attempted to avoid shitting things up despite an aggravating geript (who I'm pretty sure is town, btw) and me to a lesser degree pushing him. More likely town for that as it's really easy to pawn off or excuse early game shitfests/trolling. The second purpose of my prodding, specifically the questions post, is that not only did I actually want to know the legitimate answers to those questions (which DP answered very well imo) I also wanted to gauge some other reactions to those questions as some people have noticed, is kind of an odd line of questioning and essentially only pertains to DP's specific meta, which I will explain here for people who don't know. DP is known as a very strong town player. As such he is often a target of mafia kills extremely early in many games, including dying on N0 games before he can even DO anything. He absolutely hates this (almost as much as he hates 3P survivor apparently, for similar reasons---hence my bait about 3P despite there obviously not being one in this game. DP didn't take it  ) The reason I asked him here is because as a townie, I very much want a town DP to be on my side and a part of the game as long as possible, so I was wondering if perhaps he would have considered changing his posting style slightly so if town, he could survive mafia hits a while longer. This doesn't appear to be the case and is perfectly fine. + Show Spoiler +
Hopefully I will have no caught up to everything relevant regarding me up until recently.
New stuff:
Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something.
Yamato, come on dude. You're not that bad.
Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me.
As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie".
Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned.
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On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute.
This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience.
Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible.
So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. You're conflicting me btw.
What I want to know is:
Why are you still trying to play "trap the scum" after it backfired so badly in your last game? I thought we coached this out of you?
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On September 22 2013 14:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute.
This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience.
Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible.
So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. You're conflicting me btw. What I want to know is: Why are you still trying to play "trap the scum" after it backfired so badly in your last game? I thought we coached this out of you?
I'm not playing the scum trap like I did last game. I'm not withholding anything, posting fake reads, or doing anything that's not completely genuine. However I do believe that analyzing a mislynch post-mortem isn't that productive and there's a lot that each town player can accomplish during the last hour, so that in the event of a mislynch, we have the information we need to narrow scum possibilities down to as few people as possible, and also to give the cop more productive reads as well. I think it would be tragic for the person lynched to lead in votes by a huge margin without much of a struggle, and having him flip town. That would tell us nothing coming into the second day.
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On September 22 2013 14:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 22 2013 14:17 Mocsta wrote:Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot. At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch. Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game. Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now.Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3 Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions. Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Ohai ladies. I back. A few things: For those people asking about my intentions and posting regarding DP: I played a stretch of games with him a little while ago and became fairly confident in my townread of him. Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. My prodding served two purposes: first of all, as some of you may or may not know, DP likes to play his game with a pinch of salt, that is to say, he gets angry/annoyed pretty easily. As such after delving a little into attempting to determine his alignment I decided to see how he'd react to some dumb (and yet truthful) comments: + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? YEs NO NO Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that: A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die. B) potentially get medic protected Also: C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun. This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP? On September 21 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@DP
geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it.
He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me.
As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted. I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite. I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts. It's pretty damn meaningless. DP didn't take easy bait here and has actively REALLY attempted to avoid shitting things up despite an aggravating geript (who I'm pretty sure is town, btw) and me to a lesser degree pushing him. More likely town for that as it's really easy to pawn off or excuse early game shitfests/trolling. The second purpose of my prodding, specifically the questions post, is that not only did I actually want to know the legitimate answers to those questions (which DP answered very well imo) I also wanted to gauge some other reactions to those questions as some people have noticed, is kind of an odd line of questioning and essentially only pertains to DP's specific meta, which I will explain here for people who don't know. DP is known as a very strong town player. As such he is often a target of mafia kills extremely early in many games, including dying on N0 games before he can even DO anything. He absolutely hates this (almost as much as he hates 3P survivor apparently, for similar reasons---hence my bait about 3P despite there obviously not being one in this game. DP didn't take it ) The reason I asked him here is because as a townie, I very much want a town DP to be on my side and a part of the game as long as possible, so I was wondering if perhaps he would have considered changing his posting style slightly so if town, he could survive mafia hits a while longer. This doesn't appear to be the case and is perfectly fine. + Show Spoiler +
Hopefully I will have no caught up to everything relevant regarding me up until recently.
New stuff:
Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something.
Yamato, come on dude. You're not that bad.
Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me. As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie". Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned.
It's an issue to people like you who try to lynch/suspect people over semantics, because then if I don't use those specific words you say something like: "Of course you want a town DP to be on your side as scum!"
It's horseshit, Mocsta. I accept the fact that you've backed down from me because you realized your suspicion was dumb as balls.
So you're voting Sentinel because he's policy voting Coag for being useless huh? What is the difference between this and your vote on Sentinel himself? I don't see it if there is one.
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mocsta why have you become the new rayne??
All these boring conversations you are having with people are not helping me care about the game..
Anyone care about dp's alignment?
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Since Pandain has explained his vote, for now until I figure out an actual target:
##Unvote: Pandain
On September 22 2013 04:26 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 22:29 LoneMeow wrote:On September 21 2013 22:04 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 21:55 LoneMeow wrote:
Not sure what to make of this geript vs the world thing.
Mocsta jumping on Pandain (before the ninja vote) seemed weird and I am suspicious.
I do want Pandain to explain his vote though. Until he does,
##Vote: Pandain I'm here; what don't you like about my explanation here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#684 It feels like you were just looking for someone to jump on. That doesn't feel very town way to play D1. Not enough to say I'd have a scum read on you, but I'll be watching your actions. Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 21:55 LoneMeow wrote:
Not sure what to make of this geript vs the world thing.
Mocsta jumping on Pandain (before the ninja vote) seemed weird and I am suspicious.
I do want Pandain to explain his vote though. Until he does,
##Vote: Pandain Pandains going to come back and explain his vote eventually, pressuring him into doing so won't make him come back FASTER. Ironically, you just went out and found someone to stick your vote on :| so I'm suspicious of koshi/lonemeow/no longer kush/kinda geript. Lonemeow most of all ##vote lonemeow
On September 22 2013 04:29 Umasi wrote:
Rather, here's why Pandain isn't scummy atm, and people who think he is are ridiculous:
Would town afk right after posting their vote?
no.
Would scum?
no.
Would town afk at the beginning of the game after being present?
no.
Would scum?
.......no.
so he SHOULD come talk in thread, but he's not scum because he hasn't. He's just a shitty lurker.
Did I call him scum?
NO.
Why is using my vote to pressure someone to explain himself scummy?
On September 22 2013 08:12 Umasi wrote:
##unvote
useless to stay on lonemeow if he's not gonna be around :|
/afk
(You really should know that I'm euro timezone, we've played together before...)
What? You claimed I'm scummy, why on earth would you unvote just because I wasn't here to respond if you really think I'm scum? Were you just trying to see if a wagon would start, why would you do that?
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