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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 21 2013 15:33 GMT
#745
On September 22 2013 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 00:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 22 2013 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:
So, Sentinel didn't do anything until now. It's a bit weird that he spammed so much in pre game and wanted to set up a new page record and now there are almost no posts since the game started but that's all I can say about him. Null.


On September 21 2013 09:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hoo hoo hoo

I'm going to be gone most of Saturday


I shall post more once I get off work, 4-ish EST.

Well time zones are confusing to me but the game started on a friday for you, didn't it?


Started just as I went to bed.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 21 2013 20:52 GMT
#888
Back from work as promised.

Things I know:

People who have not contributed - some might be lurking, others may have forgotten they signed up for this game:
gumshoe
Chairman Ray
Cephiro
Xzavier
Onegu
Zenatsu
Risen
iamp said he wanted to be replacement, what happened to that?

Meapak_Ziphh - should really consider linking the filters in the list of signups. It's hard to bring up a bunch of filters when you have to manually type in the URL.

Stutters695 - Stutters, like myself, doesn't like kush in this game. I'm actually curious as to why kush suddenly engages actively in the thread, and I agree with the fact that he's being thread police instead of being productive in the townfinding effort. What I don't like is how hard Stutters is tunneling kush. Every post in his filter at the time of this post is directed at lynching kush, or begging others to join the bandwagon, and nothing else. I would like to see what you think of other players Stutters.

Coagulation - still completely fucking useless. Other than his "summary of today", which doesn't contribute anything to scumhunting and doesn't even summarize much, he has nothing.

Here are his accusations:

On September 22 2013 02:33 Coagulation wrote:
That being said pandain and geirpt are both prettt scummy


On September 22 2013 04:17 Coagulation wrote:
Anyone buying marvs tryhard "taking notes" bullshit? I consider myself a bit of a marv aficionado and hes giving me bad vibes here for sure.


I would like to see some good evidence for lynching either pandain or geript. The marv thing isn't really an accusation since he's kinda warming up to him and accusing him with some of the least imposing language possible. So three accusations with zero bite, plus a summary, means he might as well have been lurking. Actually it's worse because when you lurk you may have an excuse, whether legit or not. Coag's been reading and posting and still has nothing to say.

##Vote Coagulation
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 21 2013 20:53 GMT
#889
EBWOP forgot to put in my lurker section:

I'd like to see them either contribute or flip (preferably the first one, a pressured lurker scum is easier to spot)
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 21 2013 22:31 GMT
#930
I can get behind a Vayne lynch for the sake of removing one useless person in this game.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 21 2013 23:11 GMT
#965
On September 22 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote:
I do wish people wouldn't randomly go after coag btw. Makes it hard to get a read on people doing so. Why go after coag when people KNOW he's going to be at least some form of useless, especially on Day 1? Are the people pursuing him really able to say "this is NOT town coag on day 1"? If not, why is the vote on coag, or why is coag on the shit-list other than for being useless?


I have no knowledge of Coag's meta.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 21 2013 23:35 GMT
#983
On September 22 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On September 22 2013 08:12 Koshi wrote:
On September 22 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote:
What if Vayne doesnt break character rayn?

lynch.

And thats why you pile votes on VA. VA too proud he doesnt get misslynched as town to not break character. If he stays in character he is scum. But you peepz dont get it... so w.e.


This game is too large to play games like this imo. I don't know why you'd even try. Since when do people massively bandwagon someone for roleplaying a post?

Just weird Koshi.

Ofc not. I just needed 3-4 smart people to vote VA. Next time VA posted he would have broken characer as town and posted reads or he would claim scum. But better to do nothing with votes atm it seems.


wat
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 00:11 GMT
#993
On September 22 2013 08:37 Pandain wrote:
It's not just Sentinel voting Coag which I'm suspicious of, though I think it is convieniant.

He actually hasn't done anything either, suprisingly as I look back. He talked about Stutters but ended with "I would like to see more."

Only thing he did was say Coag was bad.

Sentinel you suspicious of anyone else? What are your thoughts? How is life?


I am suspicious of Stutters. Failing a Coag vote my next victim is Stutters.

Fix mattchew's filter MZ, there's a space in the URL

I'm always completely clueless D1. If I'm going to spam up the thread, I at least have to think up something productive to spam it up with.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 00:47 GMT
#1015
On September 22 2013 09:45 Coagulation wrote:
Sentinel you want to swing around on my nutz?
I think theres room down there next to ve/marv hop on big guy.


Are you still mad about my little joke about kicking you off the list?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 00:53 GMT
#1019
On September 22 2013 09:50 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:45 Coagulation wrote:
Sentinel you want to swing around on my nutz?
I think theres room down there next to ve/marv hop on big guy.


Are you still mad about my little joke about kicking you off the list?


no man. no ones mad about that. I mentioned it on irc and we all had a good laugh and then I sent toad to shoot you in the pecker.


Oh he sent me loli, guess it's close enough.

I still want to lynch you
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 01:33 GMT
#1027
On September 22 2013 09:59 marvellosity wrote:
How is that looking at the meta I directed you to going, Sentinel?


Read it.

Alright you win.

##unvote
vote: Stutters695
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 14:54 GMT
#1263
I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.

I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.

I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.

But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi


Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 14:55 GMT
#1264
EBWOP Didn't see that DP post.

This was the last post in the thread when I started typing.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 20:06 GMT
#1446
On September 23 2013 03:02 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.

I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.

I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.

But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi


Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back.

thank god your thoughts on me basically are 'if he's red, man we have some things to go on' and 'he hasn't talked about important things!'
Lynching for information is something I'm a firm disbeliever of, I think it's frequently a scum tool

Well let's see here. Right now there's primarily 3 people I believe are scum - yourself, Stutters, and yamato. Stutters looked more scummy but all he did was tunnel kush all day. I couldn't pressure him to reveal more information so I switched to another scummy target - you. Tunneling kush doesn't leave much to probable interpretation - you switching off of your read and then trying to blend in not only raises alarms, but if you flipped red it would open up clues to finding the other 5 scum. When I'm choosing someone on my scumlist to lynch, I'd rather lynch the one whose posting can help me and the rest of the town discern who the other 5 scums are.

Lynching coag would have done nothing to find other scum in this manner, but it was my only read at the time.

(It's actually interesting to note that your vote on LM and my vote on Stutters are essentially identical. I don't think you're scum because of the unvote, I think you're scum because of the way you worded your reasoning and also the fact that you then proceeded to do nothing. I unvoted Stutters after I proceeded to do nothing.)

fwiw, I told you guys I'd respond to questions you had for me (and the only one I've seen is mocsta's)
mocsta kinda grouped us together as non-contributing-flying-under-the-radar dudes iirc, so you suddenly voting me with THAT shit reasoning is why I'm voting you, because it feels you're like 'quick target the other dude who's in a similar position to me'
Show nested quote +

Other than me, who are some of your other scumreads?


also there's a vote thread, use it

##vote sentinel

Could've sworn I posted in there, but no matter. I'll get to that.


On September 23 2013 03:24 Umasi wrote:
Well, let's work through this a bit
I'm town, so when I read the thread and see someone who (according to mocsta (who I've kinda considered an influential townie)) occupies a similar position within the thread as me is immediately voting me for that reason, when he's done exactly the same thing? Why IS he voting me instead of someone else in the thread?
Specifically, why did he choose me to vote
gah I'm not phrasing this very well.

basically why am I scummier to him than other people in the thread is my question.

also, how is this similar to me unvoting lonemeow, that it's bad play or that it's scum?

regardless, I don't think I twisted what he said, I tried to read into what he said.


I'm curious as to why you left all that stuff in. We're not writing in pen here, phrase your question in whatever way you like and then post it. You can clarify it, but a good chunk of that post is redundant.

On September 23 2013 04:06 Koshi wrote:
Sentinel overall disappointing. Expected more.


Can this just be my meta?

So given that Umasi at this point has no other strong lynch targets, I'm going to chalk that one up to a reactionary vote. Then LoneMeow reactionaries Umasi for the lulz, and then himself, which means I'm really interested in what's going on with him.

For now, I'm going with my third scumread which also promises results, since I feel like I couldn't get Umasi lynched no matter how hard I tried - yamato77.

##Unvote
##Vote: yamato77


Gotta remember to put this one in the voting thread for voting.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 20:23 GMT
#1451
On September 23 2013 05:20 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously guys, can anyone give me a reason to not vote kush?


I have no problem with you voting kush, I have a problem with you not having any inkling of other scum besides him. Are you implying the other 5 are all in the lurker crowd?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 20:32 GMT
#1454
On September 23 2013 05:28 Stutters695 wrote:
ITT reading is hard


Kush> LoneMeow> Chairman

Why don't you want to vote kush? You scum dawg?


I'm not completely sure kush is scum. I'm suspicious of him but right now he's not in my scope of vision.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 21:42 GMT
#1485
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.


5*

In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 21:47 GMT
#1491
On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.


5*

In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads

And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.

That's like job #1, right?


Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me.

That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 21:55 GMT
#1498
On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.


5*

In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads

And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.

That's like job #1, right?


Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me.

That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston

Lol fuck

Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners?


Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right?

And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 22:08 GMT
#1509
On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.


5*

In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads

And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.

That's like job #1, right?


Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me.

That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston

Lol fuck

Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners?


Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right?

And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment.

If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far.


What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 22 2013 22:11 GMT
#1513
What are you implying there?
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