We have a known and correct lynch in this game. Add that to the fact that the game is massive, that I replaced in, and that town has derped excruciatingly hard twice, and that I am busy irl, and that I'm on like a seven game losing streak anyway and that i signed up for another game when i thought i didnt get into this one and that I replaced in for someone who presumably ragequit the game and maybe you'll see why it's less motivating to post here.

If cephiro finally gets lynched and flips scum, or if people start moving off him and I need to yell at them, maybe I'll post more. But for now what you see is what you get.

Zaragon

Sweden235 Posts

September 28 2013 18:24 GMT

#4826

I don't like this situation either. I have never personally scum read Cephiro, just trusted some confirmed townies' and town read's opinions. But I never expected new information to come out today either, scum just has no motivation to push anywhere whether Cephiro is town or scum. Only FT would need to make himself look towny, Mocsta would need to redeem himself (both things true for either scum or town)

Trouble is, we need to lynch Cephiro, FT or Mocsta after Mocsta's play. Or find a pretty cold case on someone else that is extremely solid (I haven't found this to be true with Stutters, CC or VE, even if I have some degree of scum read on CC, VE and a very slight one on Stutters). The only filters I'm really curious about investigating further at the moment are Geript and Rayn, however. To be honest, mostly to see if they would give enough information to turn the game around if they flip, more than expand on previous scum cases on them.

A lot of outlier cases and possibly scum effective at low profile are just not relevant for this lynch to me.

Risen to me isn't pushing a scum agenda. He argues for what basically needs to happen, and he himself will only come out looking scum or town depending on a flip. To me it's really that simple with him, his play is so straight-forward. A lot of people could be hiding like that if FT and Cephiro are town. But then we have almost no chance of turning this game around.

My priority goes:

1 FT

(Decent scum read, would clear up everything surrounding Chairman Ray vote and just about clear several big scum reads, or solidify several big scum reads)

2 Cephiro

(To go with Marv and Yamato, find a direction on Mocsta and a lot of people in this last vote)

3 Mocsta

Policy, gamble, not sure we get much of anything except small leads spread throughout the game.

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I actually have a hunch on Mocsta I wanted to bring up. It's weak, I hope to add detail to it later. I tried to play it out in a clumsy way about me being Roleblocked. I was thinking Mocsta as scum could very well believe, after what he's seen on me and his big town read on me, that I would come out if I were a role and became roleblocked if he immediately shouted for the roleblock today. It's really weak, it would just substantiate the "playing dumb" interpretation of Mocsta and instead make a few interactions he had with me look like shrewd scum play expecting some of my newbie mistakes and provoking some others (if he's scum, he would be the one to ask for a roleblock on me, but likely not himself the roleblocker--Cephiro probably would be, and Mocsta would be working to get targets on other people and himself. I hope my reasoning wasn't entirely dumb even if it was a shot in the dark.) Mocsta also hinted cops should not trust their checks because of false result possibilities. Could also be an indirect piece of newbie advice directed at me, if I was a role read (also weak)

It would be close to nothing, except I've heard it several times now that Mocsta enjoys playing scum. If he's scum, he's having a lot of fun right now. I wanted to potentially make some scum hearts leap.

It's enough for me to override my personality read on him and consider, equally, the possibility of shrewd-minded chaotic scum. Actually, if it's possible and allowed, could someone link a QT of a game Mocsta previously played scum?

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

September 28 2013 18:46 GMT

#4827

Whelp I'm at page 100!

Will probably just read through Ceph's filter next, decide yay or nay, and then catch up the rest at night,

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 28 2013 20:34 GMT

#4828

Blah i won't, because my memory is bad.
And i am also kinda wasted. Tomorrow.

geript, Risen is in my "to look after people".

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

September 28 2013 21:03 GMT

#4829

On September 28 2013 14:48 ObviousOne wrote:
FirmTits you coming back?

I'm back. Sorry I had a long night. Catching up now.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 28 2013 22:21 GMT

#4830

Cephiro is a good lynch but if he flips town we lost. Not going to waste too much time on this though.
Mocsta rayn geript will be looked at tomorrow.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

September 28 2013 22:27 GMT

#4831

I'm reasonably confident ceph flips scum. He hasnt said boo all day, when he said he would be active. He knows hes dying and its a quiet bus. If he were town he'd care.

He also had a strong town read on me which I should have realized was bullshit earlier.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

September 28 2013 22:28 GMT

#4832

That is quite unbelievable indeed.

iamperfection

United States9639 Posts

September 28 2013 23:08 GMT

#4833

On September 27 2013 09:40 Cephiro wrote:

Show nested quote +

To clarify, are you saying that after leaving now, you won't be back for a full 48 hours?

Nope. If I'm alive tomorrow, I'll be completely free later in the evening. So in ~18 hours or so. [/QUOTE]
He better be scum

Stutters695

2610 Posts

September 29 2013 00:07 GMT

#4834

In my hometown for the weekend, just checking in from my mom's laptop real quick. I would have prefered to find someone I think is more scummy, but I don't have time to play. Ceph tells us about Moc so that works for me.

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

September 29 2013 00:21 GMT

#4835

I dont think ceph is scum, but im stupid, so ill remain stupid

Voting stutters

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

September 29 2013 00:29 GMT

#4836

On September 29 2013 09:21 Mattchew wrote:
I dont think ceph is scum, but im stupid, so ill remain stupid

Voting stutters

Premonition?

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

September 29 2013 00:35 GMT

#4837

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615&user=Mocsta&view=all

Zaragon

My first scum game, where I hammered a townie last minute day1

End post should contain qt links
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Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

September 29 2013 00:35 GMT

#4838

I dont know the meaning of that word

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

September 29 2013 01:12 GMT

#4839

Ceph lynch seems reasonable to me after reading his filter. Posts like these generally point to fake mafia emotion:

On September 26 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote:
OH MY GOD ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME T_T

Two blue lynches in a row. This is as hard as an anal rape can get Q_Q

He doesn't seem like the type of player that would rage quit in my experience so his absence probably means he just doesn't want to reveal any more info. Compared to aperture, his activity is much weaker.

I'll probably post my other reads before the night post.