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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 16:27 GMT
#3434
The lynch is ~12 hours from now. marv do you think Cephiro is a better lynch than Pandain? Everyone should also get their votes off Mattchew and start commenting on Cephiro/Pandain.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 17:51 GMT
#3463
So are you suspicious of marv or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 18:05 GMT
#3474
On September 26 2013 02:52 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 25 2013 23:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Since you are so keen about me posting everything I think about this game. I don't like rayn at all atm. This is not his usual thread presence.
He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead.
Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only.

Why the fuck should i declare Koshi is town when i don't think he is town?

Why have you not pushed for Koshi day two? You are clearly confident he's scum. You have not even been attempting to push him or generate discussion. This conflicts with your general town play to root out scum.

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On September 25 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain's supicions:

D1: Sentinel, doesn't push the lynch at all.

D2:
I would check Shutters, LM, Marv, Rayn, and Mattchew for likely scum.
I'm probably going to vote and push for Stutters tomorrow as I think he's actually the best vote choice above Mattchew and Sentinel.

Then, about Stutters: "I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time. " -- Sounds like a real push.

Votes for marv, why?
No mention about others. Oh, but Mattchew was "not the best lynch" or "not necessarily scum". To be exact:
Definitely feel we can find someone better than Mattchew, that's my goal for tommorow.


I would also like you to exactly explain this, as this reasoning is bullshit and I think you made it up to put suspicion on me. Explain your thought process and reasoning on this in its entirety. It doesn't make sense.

I have not pushed Koshi because i don't think he is necessarily scum. I have explained this already on N1. Also i have explained why -- even if i thought he is scum -- i would not push him on D2. Another thing that makes me think you are scum, you are clearly not reading the thread.

About Sentinel. Are you saying you really did oush his lynch? Because to me it didn't look like it.
About D2 lynch candidates, the people you have even mentioned from your list of scummy people are Stutters and Mattchew. You said you don't want to lynch Mattchew. You said you will be pushing Stutters, then, in the same post you say "I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time". Do you think this is going feel very threathening push to Stutters if he is mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 18:22 GMT
#3479
On September 26 2013 03:15 Pandain wrote:
Rayn your posting honestly annoys me. I was going off of your recent post which says you don't think he's town.

You also said that if he played more passive you would look at him today. He is playing passive. What do you think of him now? And me giving a caveat isn't real good analysis. You think I wasn't accusing Stutters in that post? Really?

I am saying i will be giving him this day, because he said he is in a seminaire or smth and can't post much. His posting on N1 felt much more townier than D1. I am not saying he is town, i am not saying he is scum. I don't know what he is atm. Even if he is scum there are 5 other scum to find. Me pushing Koshi lynch does not serve any purpose because he can't even respond properly. I will have much better read on him if i let him do what he wants and judge him for it.

I am saying your Stutters push is ridiculous because you say you are going to push his lynch and in the same post you say you might be willing to give him more time. That's not confident. If you are not confident you will never get anyone lynched. I would assume you are good enough player to know that. Are you? Or why are you giving an unconfident image of yourself to your lynch target in the first place? Can you explain that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 18:36 GMT
#3481
And for the record my posting annoys everyone so you just have to deal with it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 18:38 GMT
#3482
Also also Pandain. In addition you could tell me why i am scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 19:34 GMT
#3493
Koshi have you been following the game on D2? Why have you not posted?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 19:37 GMT
#3495
Well make a case then.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 19:56 GMT
#3500
On September 26 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote:
Your vote on Pandain was as bad as your vote on CR. You didn't explain why Pandain was wrong. Not a little bit.
You haven't posted anything that was going to help town achieve their wincon at the same time you posted it.
Your read on JAT is the dumbest thing ever. I don't even know what it is with you and JAT tbh. It's horrendous.
Your only 100% give aways were on general reads.
Your push on me was not raynlike. You letting go of your push on me was not raynlike.

That's maybe some things others can easily see. But fact is I know you are scum.

What's wrong with my vote on Pandain?
I don't understand.
What's dumb about my read on JAT?
I don't understand.
We already talked about this, you said in the end that this does not make me scum. How does it make me scum again?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 19:57 GMT
#3501
Speaking about bad votes Koshi, do you know whose vote was absolutely the worst on D1?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 20:13 GMT
#3508
Okay wtf are you doing Koshi?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 20:25 GMT
#3516
Mr.CC and VE why are you voting for LM?

Mr.CC you are switching from Pandain to LoneMeow. Why?
VE is don't see you ever mention LM as scummy. Explain your vote.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 20:27 GMT
#3519
On September 26 2013 05:24 Pandain wrote:
Rayn some questions while I write about you:

1. Why do you think I'm a better lynch than others. Please simply explain.

2. Who do you think is scum right now. If you can choose only 6.

1. I am not sure if you are the best lynch candidate. Could you answer my post where i ask you about your stutters vote?
2. I am not going to choose any 6 people. That's stupid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 20:31 GMT
#3529
On September 26 2013 05:29 Pandain wrote:
Rayne, I'll make a case.

1. You didn't stop spamming like you said you would pre-game. Of course if you hit scum, you would be likely to continue your previous play which is spam + rampant accusations. Indicates scum.

2. You ask too many questions and don't contribute enough. Most of your activity is actually questions.

Your case on Kush is too weak for me to find you completely genuine.
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On September 22 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 23:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 23:41 DarthPunk wrote:
God damn rayn linking me 23 page koshi filter.

lol sorry, it was supposed to start from p1 at every game. :D

Oh, i get what you are saying. Don't read the whole filters obviously.
Read the first ~2-3 pages, that's where we are at atm.


Well If that is the case I feel like this game is more like his town game. In his town games he posted many one-liners. in his scum game his posts were generally a paragraph in length and he posted far fewer one liners than his town game or this game.

Look at how he interacts with people. Even in his one-liners the thoughts are clear and not wishy-washy at all.
It's easy to understand what he thinks and why, even when he does not give complete reasons for his thoughts.
It's nothing like this game. He does not follow any "game plan" in this game. His thought process is not clear and his reasons change after asked about them. If you want to have more insight of his meta, please read GoT scum QT (the first ~150 posts).
Here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QABVbtFWtEj

Koshi did the same in Golden, you know this as well as I do.
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On September 23 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 03:53 Koshi wrote:
On September 23 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 03:48 Koshi wrote:
On September 23 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi are you making a case or asking people "can i lynch this guy"?
Also do you still think VA is scum?

1) I asked if it was similar. imo it is very similar. I will vote for the Stray Kitten, but I am looking into yamato atm. First opinion he is not scum.
2) I never thought VA is scum. You still don't get what I was trying to do?

On (2), no, i do not get it. Explain it to me please.

VA is proud about 2 things.
1) he always plays a different style.
2) he doesn't get misslynched as town.

Obviously he is doing 1) again, but by piling votes on him he is forced to give out stronger reads / break character to make sure 2) doesn't happen.
If he would have continued doing nothing he was probably scum.

So why did you not push more votes on him instead of giving up when someone disagrees with you?
You got Pandain to vote with you, why is it impossible for you to push your agenda if i disagree with you? That's not town!Koshi'y.


Looks like you're just trying to find something where there's not. Koshi's response was perfectly logical.

And you keep going and going, and I get the impression in your head that everything Koshi is doing hints scum to you. Then you suddenly switch and say he's not a good lynch unless he plays super passive, which he does and then you still don't do anything.
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Koshi: Is not necessarily town, but definitely not worth to be discussed as a lynch tomorrow unless he goes back to passive-mode. N1 he has played a lot better than on D1, but i would not call him strong town.

"DEFINITELY NOT WORTH TO BE DISCUSSED"

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On September 24 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 24 2013 02:59 Koshi wrote:
Rayn. I am not going to do anything on D2. Close to nothing.

Even if you are phone posting you will! I know you will if you are town! <3


But he didn't until like 10 hours before lynch. Why aren't you pushing him. This isn't the same mindset you had in Golden Sun or espoused before.

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On September 25 2013 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't understand Pandain, i just can't. Things he say make sense but then again they don't make sense. Ugh...
I have never played with him before so i have no idea what he does as town or scum. I think he is supposed to be a good player no? If he is, lynch.


This is a clear lie and only makes sense if you had a mindset to bullshit from the start. AKA indicates that you're posting rapidly and not thinking, but you were clearly confident enough to vote me.

All in all they're all small details except for the spamming and the questions, which you do in town anyway. I would include you as one of my scum reads but its not certain and I'm more confident in VE, and even note his recent throwaway bullshit vote. VE as an active player does not throw away bullshit votes without real explanation.

I will now quickly go and analyze VE.

Your case is (1) really bad and (2) about something we are not supposed to discuss (and btw bad).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 20:37 GMT
#3535
On September 26 2013 05:33 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 26 2013 05:24 Pandain wrote:
Rayn some questions while I write about you:

1. Why do you think I'm a better lynch than others. Please simply explain.

2. Who do you think is scum right now. If you can choose only 6.

1. I am not sure if you are the best lynch candidate. Could you answer my post where i ask you about your stutters vote?
2. I am not going to choose any 6 people. That's stupid.


I assume you already realize that lynching me is dumb.
Your concern about my Stutters vote is that I'm not confident enough? Do I need to respond to that?

Yes i would really like you to explain why are you not confident on people you are about to push being scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 20:41 GMT
#3539
On September 26 2013 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
As far as I know, the lynch was never limited to Cephiro and FT. Sentinel is still an option, I'm now on the table for some, but for some reason LM chose FT between FT and Cephiro.

So? How does it make him scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 21:07 GMT
#3557
Koshi if you are not willing to give your opinion on the current lynch candidates i will make fucking sure you will die. Then you know i am town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 21:16 GMT
#3576
Why is it so that in the first 40 hours of the day we have a reasonable converation about many people. In the last 8 hours every fucking lurker chimes in and the thread explodes and suddenly there are like 1829 lynch candidates.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 21:16 GMT
#3577
marv should i vote for ceph?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 25 2013 21:17 GMT
#3580
Because i don't really give a fuck atm. This happens every time and tbh today i'm in bad mood for playing mafia.
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