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On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding.
gumshoe, Coag, OO.
explain those.
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On September 24 2013 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO just isn't as engaged as I expect him to be at this stage in the game. A lot of stuff has happened, a lot of people have said things they can be held to, and OO isn't prodding/poking people the way I've come to expect him to as town. Most of his posts have stank of "Hi guys, I'm here and reading and am townie just like you!"
Coag is mostly a gut feeling. I feel like I'd be further up on his scum list if he were town - I haven't done a whole lot this game and it's raising a lot of peoples' hackles, but not Coag's.
gumshoe is the lurkiest lurker. I feel like scum are lurking, and no one is drawing attention to gumshoe like at all. This is suspicious to me, but it's also not conclusive. Again, mostly feels.
Okay so what differentiates gumshoe from Xzavier, Onegu and Zenatsu?
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On September 24 2013 04:32 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2013 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO just isn't as engaged as I expect him to be at this stage in the game. A lot of stuff has happened, a lot of people have said things they can be held to, and OO isn't prodding/poking people the way I've come to expect him to as town. Most of his posts have stank of "Hi guys, I'm here and reading and am townie just like you!"
Coag is mostly a gut feeling. I feel like I'd be further up on his scum list if he were town - I haven't done a whole lot this game and it's raising a lot of peoples' hackles, but not Coag's.
gumshoe is the lurkiest lurker. I feel like scum are lurking, and no one is drawing attention to gumshoe like at all. This is suspicious to me, but it's also not conclusive. Again, mostly feels. Okay so what differentiates gumshoe from Xzavier, Onegu and Zenatsu? Well strictly speaking, nothing...but I feel like I've seen those three names brought by others up more. I might be misremembering, or remembering Xz and Onegu from playing with them before maybe, but that's my reasoning. Again, that read is mostly gut and hard to explain. I don't expect you to like it, only acknowledge it and take it into account if/when I flip.
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Can you quote me one post that says anything about about those three people but not about gumshoe?
Can you quote all of those guys filter to me and tell me why they are not red in your list?
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On September 24 2013 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, I'm not going to do those things rayn...nor am I going to push for a gumshoe lynch tomorrow based on all of this. You asked me and I answered. Get the fuck over it.
My problem is this. None of those guys have posted once. All but Onegu got replaced..
Why do you bring up gumshoe but noone else?
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On September 24 2013 04:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I told you already - because based on my (admittedly fragmented and not-quite-completely-reliable) memory gumshoe has been MENTIONED BY OTHERS the least.
Okay we are making progress here. Why would mafia mention only their member and not other non-posters in case gumshoe is scum? Or if a townie brings up gumshoe and not the other non-posters, how does that make him more likely scum than the others?
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On September 24 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not by others of their team - I'm saying by others in general. I'm saying that scum would NOT mention their teammates as lurker-lynch candidates...therefor, whoever of the non-posters has been mentioned the least is the MOST likely to be scum.
Before you ask, I haven't like cross-referenced the people I've marked as red and found that they haven't mentioned gumshoe or anything, this is all strictly from my memory of the thread from reading it as it's gone along. NOT based on evidence I've found or connections I've drawn between specific players.
Okay well, the thing is i do not think anyone of those people have been mentioned by anyone besides "has not posted" lists.
I really don't understand where you get this "feeling" you have seen them being mentioned (other than gumshoe)..
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On September 24 2013 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO just isn't as engaged as I expect him to be at this stage in the game. A lot of stuff has happened, a lot of people have said things they can be held to, and OO isn't prodding/poking people the way I've come to expect him to as town. Most of his posts have stank of "Hi guys, I'm here and reading and am townie just like you!"
Coag is mostly a gut feeling. I feel like I'd be further up on his scum list if he were town - I haven't done a whole lot this game and it's raising a lot of peoples' hackles, but not Coag's.
gumshoe is the lurkiest lurker. I feel like scum are lurking, and no one is drawing attention to gumshoe like at all. This is suspicious to me, but it's also not conclusive. Again, mostly feels.
I also strongly disagree with you on OO. Usually in games i could flip a coin and that would tell me OO's alignment more accurately than me trying to read his posts and figure out his alignment. I don't think i have ever been right on him when i have been town, every time i call him town he ends up being scum and vice versa. Me even being able to have a townread on him (and having confidence in it) is why for me he is town. When he has been talking he has been talking about stuff he has imo been talking about important stuff and mirroresd my thoughts pretty well. I don't understand where you get this "Hi guys, I'm here and reading and am townie just like you!" thing. Could you elaborate more on that?
I can't say anything about Coag, because my read on him is also a gut feel. I was interested in knowing more about it if you had some new information to offer. Apparently you don't.
On the lurkers/gumshoe thingy:
On September 24 2013 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not by others of their team - I'm saying by others in general. I'm saying that scum would NOT mention their teammates as lurker-lynch candidates...therefor, whoever of the non-posters has been mentioned the least is the MOST likely to be scum.
Before you ask, I haven't like cross-referenced the people I've marked as red and found that they haven't mentioned gumshoe or anything, this is all strictly from my memory of the thread from reading it as it's gone along. NOT based on evidence I've found or connections I've drawn between specific players. Okay well, the thing is i do not think anyone of those people have been mentioned by anyone besides "has not posted" lists. I really don't understand where you get this "feeling" you have seen them being mentioned (other than gumshoe)..
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##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Who are your scumreads and why?
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Mattchew:
At the early stages of the game you said you opened four player's filters. The only thing you contributed about them after that was that you liked the tone of my posts. I asked you about your read on Mocsta and you had a town read on him. Did you get a town read on LoneMeow and Zaragon aswell? What do you think about them now and why did you pick the four people you did in the first place?
Also, you said this on N1:
i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurker
Elaborate please?
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Zaragon explain to me how am i "deflecting with questions"? Show me where i ask questions and not give a conclusion after that.
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On September 24 2013 20:15 Zaragon wrote:
Your filter to me reads like this: ask question, gauge reaction, give opinion based on reaction. Sometimes ask multiple questions, give opinion if one leads in the right direction. The few times you went opinion + question at once, it didn't feel substantial to me. Feels like a scum way to play, even if its not an unreasonable way to play as town; as I said you were only slightly suspicious to me at first. Until the end of the day when you felt aligned with FT and voted Chairman Ray, at which point I felt you would be confirmed scum if FT flips scum.
That's how you are supposed to play lol.
So i am scum because i ask questions and make conclusions based on answers, and because i did not vote for FirmTofu whose alignment you don't even know.
that's really weak dude.
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Btw Zaragon i already talked about me bussing as scum with Koshi on N1. Are you even reading my posts? I even posted a game which you should have looked at if you think i am scum.
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Mocsta, talk to me about Pandain. What do you mean with the "not confused enough about NK's"?
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On September 24 2013 21:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 21:04 rposelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, talk to me about Pandain. What do you mean with the "not confused enough about NK's"? Will provide more when I'm home. Too hard on phone. But in short. His post came about 3 to 4min after night post. Thoughts are too coherent for new Info I think. Consider time to refresh , read post with lots of flavour, and think about outcome, plus type. Pandain admitted to being a slow typed too. I'm saying, his point of view is based on info town did not have. Exacerbated when questioning why yam wasn't shot. For me personally, he wasn't a solid night1 kill. So yeah. Dunno when I will be home. Plus coming from a port tasting night. So to be honest. I'm a touch hammered. On a side note. Vintage port IS incredible.
Oh, considering the timeframe Pandain posted in this is a good point. I was curious because when i read the PC post i had same thoughts than he posted. Only wtf moment was BH getting killed.
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On September 24 2013 22:03 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2013 21:21 Mocsta wrote:On September 24 2013 21:04 rposelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, talk to me about Pandain. What do you mean with the "not confused enough about NK's"? Will provide more when I'm home. Too hard on phone. But in short. His post came about 3 to 4min after night post. Thoughts are too coherent for new Info I think. Consider time to refresh , read post with lots of flavour, and think about outcome, plus type. Pandain admitted to being a slow typed too. I'm saying, his point of view is based on info town did not have. Exacerbated when questioning why yam wasn't shot. For me personally, he wasn't a solid night1 kill. So yeah. Dunno when I will be home. Plus coming from a port tasting night. So to be honest. I'm a touch hammered. On a side note. Vintage port IS incredible. Oh, considering the timeframe Pandain posted in this is a good point. I was curious because when i read the PC post i had same thoughts than he posted. Only wtf moment was BH getting killed. pc post? Btw can't tell if u agree or disagree
PC post = Day post.
I agree with you.
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On September 24 2013 23:13 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn,
I'm home and here. Im fully caught up on the thread in a "thread sentiment" type of way. But not caught up on all on what it means to me.
Direct me.
I don't know what you want me to do? I don't understand. I want to hear Sentinel's reads because i think he is scum and i have no idea what he is doing if he's not. I am voting for him. I think your case on Pandain is good and i want to hear more from him. I want to hear more from Mattchew because he has done jack shit this game. I am okay with Zaragon atm (his answers to me). I would love to hear some reads from him that are not "assuming FirmTofu is scum..." because i still think that's bullshit way to present reads, associating one's own reads to an unflipped players alignment. FT could also talk about something that's not Zaragon. There is where i am atm.
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On September 24 2013 23:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2013 23:13 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn,
I'm home and here. Im fully caught up on the thread in a "thread sentiment" type of way. But not caught up on all on what it means to me.
Direct me. I don't know what you want me to do? I don't understand. I want to hear Sentinel's reads because i think he is scum and i have no idea what he is doing if he's not. I am voting for him. I think your case on Pandain is good and i want to hear more from him. I want to hear more from Mattchew because he has done jack shit this game. I am okay with Zaragon atm (his answers to me). I would love to hear some reads from him that are not "assuming FirmTofu is scum..." because i still think that's bullshit way to present reads, associating one's own reads to an unflipped players alignment. FT could also talk about something that's not Zaragon. There is where i am atm. OK, i was trying to do what Koshi said we were doing before (but clearly not) buddying.. i.e. i want you to be my new DP. lets work together. In short, I was saying, is there someone you want me to look into and provide thoughts.P.S. my issue with sentinel as scum boils now to my last night post.. "too scummy to be scum".. do you think a guy that has been called scum by several people would CONTINUE to do the same shit that landed him on heat in the first place - if scum? I'm pretty sure, a scummer would have changed up the gameplay by now (this all considers that sentinel had enough pressure to warrant being threatended... which I am actaully not sure is the case??)
I think "too scummy to be scum" is a stupid heuristic that should never be used and i don't believe in it. I believe in what people post and does it make sense from town/scum pov. Sentinel is making very little sense, and while he has posted a good amount, i don't feel like he is trying to find scum.
I would like you to look into Mattchew and what he has actually done in this game. Also i would like you to give updated thoughts on FT and one player of your choosing.
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