GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars

On August 13 2013 11:46 iamperfection wrote:

why shouldnt we shoot you?

On August 13 2013 11:46 johnnywup wrote:
i am indeed here and think that ace, jrkirbyshut.mato, kush, sharrant are scum. ace is being useless and town ace is never useless. jrkirby seems pretty obvious. yamato basically claimed scum. kush is either trolling as town or scum.

on sharrant: he PMed acro that he was a cop during d1 it sounds like. makes no sense as town, obviously. but lets just say that town sharrant has a huge town read on acro...except for the fact that he lied who he was going to check in case acro was scum. you wouldn't do that if you had a town read on acro...so sharrant must have been thinking acro was null/scum. if sharrant thought acro was scum/null, why would he PM him at all? it makes no sense from town, like others have said. If sharrant was scum then he would know acro was town (or scum, I guess...). The problem here is he doesn't know acros role...but since they're agreeing on a target he doesn't have to worry about being blocked or anything, I guess. I dunno, it just seems to make a bit more sense as scum, but I really think it's just stupid from sharrants part as either town or scum >_> still think he's scum though. was an ez bus for sharrant to gain cred from, but somewhat scumslipped. acro doesn't think he's scum I think and he's the one who exchanged PMs with him, but from an outsiders POV it looks bad for sharrant @_@ I know I'm not saying anything new but this is the main reason why I think sharrant is scum.

also for the record I haven't received any PMs from kush or sharrant since forever. I haven't been sending any to anyone besides acro.

On August 13 2013 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
uh what Mocsta? Claiming jailkeeper?

On August 14 2013 14:07 s0Lstice wrote:
No. Oats was playing to his town meta pretty clearly. I could see a shot on him without some kind of bluesnipe being involved.

On August 14 2013 14:15 s0Lstice wrote:


Stop filling the thread with dumb.

On August 14 2013 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are lynching Vivax today.

On August 14 2013 15:30 raynpElikoneet wrote:
Yes i am going to let him speak for himself. He is not a strong enough read for me.

I specifically do not like when you say this:

How the fuck am i supposed to know if FirmTofu or gumshoe has RL-business? FirmTofu posted, he posted pure shit. so did gumshoe. And what is this "etc". Are you saying we should just ignore the lurkers and let them continue do nothing? why?

Why do you want to lynch Chrom over johnnywup?

On August 14 2013 15:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Turns out they split the kp to kill a bunch of people today, or at least that's the likeliest explanation in my eyes.
This makes one of xata/grack more likely to be scum since they were both aware of gumshoe's 1 hp before n1 nightpost.
Still very unlikely it's a townshot. I thought it might have been iamp as a vigi.... but obviously that's not the case.
I didn't include grack in my post cause I ran outta time to make it and had a hard time getting read on him.

On August 14 2013 15:38 johnnywup wrote:
there's the fact that i'm not scum, rayn. pretty good reason not to lynch me


acro has a good case on kush which may change your mind if he posts it. i was convinced kush was scum before i saw the case so i may be a little biased though

koshi or risen imoimo

On August 14 2013 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Explain to me why FT should have not been lynced and who should have been lynced instead?
Easy for you to say as you were not in the game.

Btw all your reads are pretty much "i dunno" and then some people are town and some are scum.--

On August 14 2013 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes this helps me figuring out your alignment.
One more question, have you followed the game before replacing in?
I'll give my conclusion in ~2 hours, now i need a bit more sleep.

On August 14 2013 16:28 Clarity_nl wrote:


Bleh. I guess? I wanna lynch s0lstice today anyway so he has a chance to show he's town other than tripping on his own feet and crying green tears rather than red ones.

What do you think of my point on s0lstice?

On August 14 2013 17:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
btw what was this about mocsta?


Oats asks if you're claiming jailkeeper which is not a dumb question (which is what you told him), rather an obvious one actually. Am I missing something?

can I have a read on iamp pls. he's playing very different to what I associate of him. nothing is scummy, but, hes trying to be a leader by involving people. normally he is like dandel and just says I'm right, your wrong.

I agree about iamp. He blocked my yamato suspicion because of lurkers with little posts. He also wanted Ace out of the game.

If you replace into a game and you have read 130 pages, read all filters and spent a lot of time making a giant list with your current reads in the game. How big is the chance that you have read your predecessor his filter/posts as well?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19509194

On August 15 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote:
QUERIES

here's a query, why is it weird for Rayn to prefer a lord over no lord? Risen had an objection with Rayn being lord, so to avoid a no lord situation, Rayn voted Risen.

On August 15 2013 12:14 Chromatically wrote:
That is pretty confusing, the rng rule in the OP is only for when the lord dies.

Mocsta, I would like to hear your other reasons for rayn being scum when you have time.

On August 15 2013 12:20 Risen wrote:


I don't understand. I've been telling rayn since after the first night I didn't trust him and wanted to be lord.

On August 15 2013 13:11 Acrofales wrote:

I have no clue what you have posted in the thread since you woke up. I just wanted to gauge your response. You seem timid.

On August 15 2013 15:14 Xatalos wrote:


As a sidenote. You wanted to smack me in the face? Keep in mind that I've practiced karate for some time now You'd be in for a surprise.

Where is Mocsta? Don't leave us hanging please. You have so much to prove and so much to lose by not doing that.

On August 15 2013 15:37 Xatalos wrote:


What's your stance on rayn at the moment? Risen said that he opposed rayn being Lord and rayn wanted to see what Risen would do as Lord. Why not allow him?

Scumreads besides rayn?

On August 15 2013 20:38 Clarity_nl wrote:


Koshi day 1, pretty hard.
That's all I recall though, without looking at his filter.

I think I've seen dandel do this in his towngames though. People call him town so he goes "right, time to troll and be useless"
Problem is, it's too easy to replicate as scum.
THAT SAID, he has posted reads (without reasons) and I've mostly agreed with them.

On August 15 2013 20:38 Clarity_nl wrote:


Koshi day 1, pretty hard.
That's all I recall though, without looking at his filter.

I think I've seen dandel do this in his towngames though. People call him town so he goes "right, time to troll and be useless"
Problem is, it's too easy to replicate as scum.
THAT SAID, he has posted reads (without reasons) and I've mostly agreed with them.

On August 15 2013 21:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I guess, but I mean, he pushed real hard. I'm concerned about his activity too though.
This is worth bringing up again d4, but I think today we should focus on the lynch at hand.

On August 15 2013 20:48 Mocsta wrote:
Either way.. im fully comfortable with a vivax lynch, or snb. (I prefer vivax.. mainly cos i respect his play much more than snb)

On August 15 2013 21:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
kush is damaged (lords shot him last night), although we don't know how much hp he has left. Do you think we should finish him off first?
If we ignored kush and focus fired on vivax and he didn't die, would you still want to lynch him the next daycycle?

I'll be back later today.

On August 15 2013 22:03 Clarity_nl wrote:


I agree we won't to shoot scum, but I don't understand how you can have such a strong read on him.
My issue is this, if he is scum and we just go "yeah whatever kush is kush" what happens when/if we get to lylo?

You sound confident in the read though, I'll check out sicilian scum qt later. (note how in sicilian obs qt I called kush scum cause he was right about stuff)

On August 15 2013 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
Kush is dying tonight. He's on low HP and not playing for town. It would be ridiculous to waste a lynch on him. It would be even more ridiculous to let him live to LYLO. If he's scum, he'll just finish the game with scum. If he's town, it's the easiest mislynch possible (remember that the weakest townies are alive at LYLO to oppose scum). He just needs to die.

On August 15 2013 22:24 Xatalos wrote:
By the way.....

"Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town."

WHAT?

On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:
I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces.

I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game.

Shoot on sight.

On August 15 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:

Did you just completely skip the second paragraph? He's nothing like smurf mafia kush.

On August 15 2013 22:46 Xatalos wrote:


A really good idea to start insulting when several people want you lynched even today.

Do you see how Mocsta never answers to my questions?

Or that he didn't read jrkirby his filter

Or his posts while rereading the thread.

Mocsta has come into this game to get me lynched.

On August 15 2013 23:26 Koshi wrote:

Where? I read over it or something but I don't see it.

On August 15 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote:
my town points for risen is consistent craziness.. that's it.. not sure how much to value that though

On August 15 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote:

Wasn't he not batshit crazy when you wrote he was certain scum? You said he was certain scum in multiple posts.

On August 15 2013 23:49 Koshi wrote:

You are scum. Hopefully you will slip up. I will be waiting.

On August 15 2013 23:55 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta, DI, Chrom, Sharrant and 1/2 of the active posters.

I could give reasons for all of them.

On August 14 2013 20:34 Sharrant wrote:
Koshi has the strongest case in my eyes for being SK.

Actual analysis will come when I'm not late for important things.

On August 16 2013 01:21 kushm4sta wrote:
i literally skim the thread for mentions of my name . I found acro mention me a few pages back and I responded to it. That is not reading the thread.

On August 16 2013 01:37 kushm4sta wrote:
OK I READ THE FIRST HALF OF VIVAX FILTER
I think he's pretty scummy.

-too many question posts. open ended questions for no reason that lead no where. very passive!
-he says the first lynch should be koshi. his reasons are terribad and not vivaxlike



-he ignores yamato

On August 16 2013 01:37 kushm4sta wrote:
-he ignores yamato

On August 16 2013 01:43 Onegu wrote:


Rayne, clarity, Xata, Grack, and myself after those.

On August 16 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote:


I dunno. Depends if you think I'm scum?
I mean, I never called em both town for it or anything but I don't think I ever even commented on it.

On August 16 2013 01:55 Risen wrote:
So we're going to ignore the whole Koshi supporting a case that has been debunked thing clearly proving he's just spouting nonsense so he can appear active in thread?

I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town.

On August 16 2013 10:18 Grackaroni wrote:

Or would you prefer I had said the less logical answer, I am scum and I randomly made up Iam's view on you for town cred without reading the thread, and really have no idea what he thought of you.

On August 16 2013 10:38 johnnywup wrote:

grack kush confirmed scumteam

On August 16 2013 10:49 johnnywup wrote:
I don't care what he *meant* to say. He said this was gracks first scum game. Scumslip? Possibly. Why are you defending kush? mocsta + kush + grack all scum?

On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote:
DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow.

On August 16 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:
@johhnywup connection theories are retarded at this point in the game. The only connection theories you should be making are about yamato.

who should I filter dive? I am currently taking one request.

Also I already townread grack who a bunch of peopel thought was scum. How is that not productive?

On August 16 2013 11:03 Grackaroni wrote:

Who cares about roles/powers
No, I don't think Xatalos would give me lord.

The first part of my post doesn't concern you at all? Why focus on rolefishing?

On August 16 2013 11:07 kushm4sta wrote:
also i already gave a metainformed behavioral townread of xatalos

On August 16 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote:
What's the point of even commenting that. You don't need to have a vote to influence a lynch, besides If Xatalos is town then I probably will be a lord at some point.

What are you saying? That if I was lord I would suddenly flip-flop on DI?

On August 16 2013 11:18 kushm4sta wrote:


I will do ANYTHING BUT THAT. I would get lynched 1 thousand times before I did that.
Currenting filterdiving koshi

On August 16 2013 02:32 s0Lstice wrote:
Mocsta -- you claimed that you wanted to see more from Vivax, and knew he was legit busy. When he finally came back to the thread, his posting to me looked town, yet you drew scum from this, in addition to his earlier posting which you presumably had already processed. You've talked about it some, but can you explain in a little more detail?

On August 16 2013 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry if you end up town. I just wanted to see how many people from your previous scum list would become townies during this exercise. (only me, koshi and s0lstice before you stopped).

I feel like you planted this post to cast suspicion on me after you flip.

On August 16 2013 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:

LOL you actually did read through my games. Angel was scum

On August 16 2013 12:22 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't think anybody in this game knows me or was around to read those games.

On August 17 2013 14:05 Acrofales wrote:

That is far from the most interesting question. WTF happened in Winterfell? SnB scum and some kinda coupe?

On August 17 2013 14:15 Acrofales wrote:

Closed setup, so good luck defining whether we're at lylo or not.

House Stark not having a leader seems like a scumplay. The lack of deaths seems like IF it was a power grab it only half-succeeded at best. I'm gonna park my vote. Plurality lynch, so better be paranoid as hell.

##vote Strongandbig

On August 17 2013 14:19 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, Mocsta, who do you want to lynch most right now? Who do you think is the towniest person there is? Why on both of those?

On August 17 2013 14:26 Sharrant wrote:


Fine. I'm too excited.

I have a red check on Mocsta. You're welcome.

On August 17 2013 14:28 Sharrant wrote:


Yeah, you could also read the thread sometime. The two people are the other people in my house. Seriously, even Risen had to print a retraction because of it. Get with the times.

Yes, I'm a detective that alternates between alignment check (odd days) and hp check (even days).

On August 17 2013 14:37 Sharrant wrote:


I can't read your posts, and it makes it so I can never read you in a game. I found Kirby scummy, but I know I can't read you, so I used the check on you to simplify matters.

On August 17 2013 14:48 johnnywup wrote:
lol

can we ignore mocsta for the rest of the day please

House Tyrell:
??Kushm4sta
??johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales

House Greyjoy
??raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen

House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
Vivax

House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Gumshoe

House Baratheon
??Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
??Dandel Ion

House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu

On August 17 2013 14:55 Sharrant wrote:


Already thought lots about it, that's why I didn't particularly mention you since you've replaced in. But let's see:

You
A)Replaced someone I found scummy
B)Have a red check against you
C)Are a player I can't read

So yes, you totally could have been framed, but I find it very unlikely, and entirely worth the risk.

On August 17 2013 15:04 Sharrant wrote:



If you're town, stick around and do your best for the town today and then we can trust your effort when you flip.

On August 17 2013 15:14 Grackaroni wrote:
@Mocsta Please explain why last night your opinion on my interactions with Kush went from townie


To suddenly my interactions with him are scummy based on him flipping town.


I'm thoroughly unimpressed and now am forced to even agree with Johnnywup that your logic that all houses must have scum is faulty.

On August 17 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
there was a player on D3 who was perfectly okay with lynching his townread SnB and shooting his townread kushmasta? Do you remember who that player is and why did you not comment in any way into that when i pointed it out?

On August 17 2013 17:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Mocsta saying he pushed Vivax lynch is bullshit. He did only start pushing it after i pointed out he was okay with lynching his townread.

On August 15 2013 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax should be pressured hard on D3. Again, the same thing that happened in D1 end. He made a couple of good posts but other than that he is useless. I'm planning on pressuring him hard from D3 start, now is time to start playing if he is town.

On August 14 2013 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are lynching Vivax today.

On August 14 2013 15:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax has not done shit other than popped in at the end of the phase with posts that have done nothing with the current lynch targets.

On August 15 2013 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, it's not that i disagree with his "shit". It's that i pointed out why he is not playing for town.
Do you disagree with me (having played in LXI) in what i said about his read and thoughts about Sharrant?
Do you disagree with me that his reads are bullshit? If so, show me why.
Do you disagree with me that his behavior is anti-town in general (trying to cast shit on people for no reason just because they call him out)? If so, why?

On August 15 2013 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax why did you say i am lurky as mafia?

On August 15 2013 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
<To Vivax>
Because i have a scumread on you, and you are possibly getting lynched today if you do not stop this bullshit.
You having a townread on me is fine, you having a townread on me based on meta that does not hold water is not fine.

I want to have a better read on you, i do read people based on how they interact with me, so could you now please my wish instead of being a dick.

On August 16 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm happy that Vivax is getting murdered. I have nothing to say pretty much.

On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:
In short: Scummish reads (firm at top, soft at bottom)
...Vivax
...

On August 15 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Ok. Skimmed all filters and was left with a couple that stuck out to me

Snb
Grackeroni
Koshi
Vivax

Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter.
I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle.
...
Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro.

In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax.
I can live with snb though.

On August 15 2013 20:48 Mocsta wrote:
...
Either way.. im fully comfortable with a vivax lynch, or snb. (I prefer vivax.. mainly cos i respect his play much more than snb)

On August 15 2013 21:10 Mocsta wrote:
...
But if you want a rough idea. If SnB is to be lynched; I would focus fire Vivax.

On August 15 2013 22:46 Mocsta wrote:
I still want vivax gone.

On August 15 2013 23:33 Mocsta wrote:
As I said; im not sure how much to value it; so I would perfer a lynch im more confident about.. e.g. vivax.

On August 16 2013 00:18 Mocsta wrote:
I still recommend Vivax

On August 16 2013 01:27 Mocsta wrote:
<To kushmaster>
Heres a tip for the future

ctrl+f "kush"

dude.. in sicilian. you were scum; vivax was town.

so im keen for your perspective... please have a quick read of a couple vivax posts, and let me know if you think vivax is as scary as he was in sicilian

On August 17 2013 17:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, I'll look over his filter today at some point anyway. If you're right about what you said then yeah.. you probably would've convinced me today even without the redcheck.

On August 17 2013 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Notice that Mocsta has read the game earlier, in full. There is no new information because Vivax and SnB have not posted on D3. Notice how his reads on them suddenly change because he "read the same things he read earlier".
Bullshit.

This is when Mocsta starts really pushing Vivax lynch.
Prove me wrong scum.

On August 17 2013 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No Mocsta. You tell one stuff to someone, then you tell another stuff to other people.
Compare your answer to Solstice to this:

You are talking about Vivax' filter. This is entirely different than what do you say to Solstice. You are talking about Vivax' overall play, not how he responds to you.

Regardless he never retorted to my points and after reading his filter the consistency of his filter stuck out to me.
Whereas when reading the game start to scratch I didn't get that feel as there was no thread presence.

On August 17 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who had scumreads on Clarity on D1 end?

On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:
Clarity_nl
Like him a lot.. I think he had a rough start, in fact I thought his first post was scummy. Since then, maybe around page 40; he has shown publically the best mindset I think. Is quite open to possibilities and is not haste in putting down people. Firm Town.

On August 17 2013 18:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were not here on D1 end.
Please let Onegu answer.

On August 17 2013 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to get anyone to claim.
Now shut up already and let Onegu answer.

On August 17 2013 20:35 Xatalos wrote:


It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum?

Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way?

On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.

On August 17 2013 23:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah unless he somehow got healed. Sucks that we have 1 less kp tonight but mocsta can die tonight.
This is your cue btw mocsta, even if you think you can't avoid getting killed by town, time to contribute with all your thoughts nicely condensed and useful etc etc

From: Dandel Ion [ 7123 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: hello
Date: 8/17/13 21:29
can you give me the hp numbers plz?

i wanted to check my house anyways, twice. before and after a night.
if you gimme i can just use our check now and it'd save me sick amounts of time.

Original Message From Mocsta:
We used it last cycle to check your house.

What hp am I on. Btw?

Do we know who checked me?
I'm pretty proud to be shot as a late replacement.

Show nested quote +

On August 20 2013 14:43 Ace wrote:
GG. damn I was getting super suspect of rayne but wanted to dialogue our Lord elections that night so I could solidify my reads. Only thing that threw me off was Risen not instavoting Yamato even though he posted in the thread.

Stupid Town as always sharing too much information. Deserved to lose.

On August 20 2013 14:50 s0Lstice wrote:
yea chrom fooled the shit out of me. worst read I had this game. good job chrom.

going into today I was gonna be on rayn and acro. that last cycle was bad for us. not much I/we could do to keep the votes out of acro and rayn's hands. The game was basically over then...but truthfully it was over when Mocsta modkilled himself.

wtf dude.

really just took the wind out of my sails.

On August 20 2013 15:04 s0Lstice wrote:


how about shut up?

I'm not blaming you for the loss.* I'm blaming you for taking enjoyment out of the game for me.

On August 20 2013 15:18 DrParnassus wrote:
moc, yours was malicious. i remember reading that you've never been mislynched.... ragequitting at a critical time for town is not the ideal way to uphold that statistic

On August 20 2013 18:35 Xatalos wrote:
Scum really had several strong players (and Koshi excels in making me think he's town -.-) so I don't feel too bad. I hope I'm scum next though. I enjoy knowing everything and having 100% trusted allies much more than walking in the dark.

On August 20 2013 18:39 Clarity_nl wrote:


We had a lot of lurkers though.
gumshoe, kush.. they weren't bad targets. It's just like a lynch. You look back and see who wanted who shot and later put the pieces together.

On August 20 2013 18:49 Xatalos wrote:
And did jrkirby and Nacho have any decent explanation? If not, them as well...

On August 20 2013 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
I hate it when a qt gets too long and removes the button "all messages"

On August 21 2013 05:56 kitaman27 wrote:
Hehe you and Acro did a good job putting distance between each other on day one with that nonsense about not revealing the meaningless plan. With a scum read on Acro and your activity in pms, I never took the time to take a look at you.

On August 22 2013 07:42 kushm4sta wrote:
Is it because only the elite class are rich enough to own personal computers?