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On August 17 2013 17:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, I'll look over his filter today at some point anyway. If you're right about what you said then yeah.. you probably would've convinced me today even without the redcheck.
Well.. Clarity. Hes already wrong, so Im surprised you would be "convinced" so quickly.
Just thinka bout this... rayn is citing what occured in the thread.. NOT pm land.
If he wants to quote thread history.. why paraphrase instead of actually quote..
well its because hes lying.. and i proved that in the post above.
When i first started pushing vivax, i actaully thought snb was scummy; so rayn is lying out of his arse.
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On August 17 2013 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:
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Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town.
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Firm
Iamperfection
Chromatically
Risen
Soft
Raynpelikoneet or Acrofales
Koshi
Vivax
mmm got iamp wrong.. damn..
On August 14 2013 15:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are lynching Vivax today. Last I checjed. U r not lord. Chromatically >>> vivax On August 14 2013 15:15 Mocsta wrote:
I gave an intuition read on chromatically in my reads.
That's my basis and can be easily supported by quotes.
The guy is a classic blender.
As for vivax. He needs more time. This town keeps wanting to lynch ppl with genuine in real life business. Did u not learn your lesson with gumshoe. Firm tofu etc
Vivax has been busy.
Now he's no saint to me. But deserves a chance to post uninhibited
Unlike chromatically who has been flying under the radar by choice and then pushing lurkers. On August 15 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Ok. Skimmed all filters and was left with a couple that stuck out to me
Snb
Grackeroni
Koshi
Vivax
Rayn I'm back to 50/50. I think my issue with him is we are treating the same tells 100% opposite. But he's standing up for his belief, as am I. That's indicative of town. So will give him a beeather.
Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter.
I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle.
Koshi still sticks out to me. The really poor logic throughout the game. Not wanting to run for lord and then changing mind when an opportunity came through. He has also shown an inflexible mindset. I'm happy with his lynch too.
Grackeroni. I can't pinpoint it off my first skim but.. he's blending it. He shows enough understanding of the thread so is keeping up. But I don't like the moments he chooses to come into the thread. He's not really driving anything so the contributions I feel are fake. Plus u have the whole gumshoe 1hp leak thing. He made a defense of it which was handled well I admit. But too slick compared to his other posts. Smells very funny to me.
Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro.
In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax.
I can live with snb though. Notice that Mocsta has read the game earlier, in full. There is no new information because Vivax and SnB have not posted on D3. Notice how his reads on them suddenly change because he "read the same things he read earlier". Bullshit.
LOL. This is classic guy doing ctrl+f, but not reading anything.
There was new information. And i explained this to s0lstice already 
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=180#3581
*God its nice having a transparent filter*
+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2013 11:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 02:32 s0Lstice wrote:
Mocsta -- you claimed that you wanted to see more from Vivax, and knew he was legit busy. When he finally came back to the thread, his posting to me looked town, yet you drew scum from this, in addition to his earlier posting which you presumably had already processed. You've talked about it some, but can you explain in a little more detail?
Yeah. My issue was he tried to dodge my questions. I asked him for justification for lack of followup. And he cited he something about having to read my case on chrom...which wasn't a case. Merely 2lines of thought. I believe he then contributed to ongoing convo but memory is a touch hazy there. Regardless he never retorted to my points and after reading his filter the consistency of his filter stuck out to me. Whereas when reading the game start to scratch I didn't get that feel as there was no thread presence. So in short. He chooses good times to post. But the whole feel of his filter just lacks the drive I expect froma town vivax.. if anything a town vivax would certainly run for mayor. Also regarding pms about yam. I hold no weight I. That. As said befor 1hp is hardly threatening AND scum vivax has no qualms bidding. He was a scum big in one game and shot a scummer. I still nailed him but can admit his playstyle has dramatically improved since then.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 21:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
kush is damaged (lords shot him last night), although we don't know how much hp he has left. Do you think we should finish him off first?
If we ignored kush and focus fired on vivax and he didn't die, would you still want to lynch him the next daycycle?
I'll be back later today. Kush is interesting. Someone else, because he didtn die "scum let him jump off a cliff" I disagree, because its clear they used scum used their NK to finish off Night1 targets. I also think Kush is town. So I would seriously suggest not to direct Lord KP that direction. On August 15 2013 21:57 Mocsta wrote:
yeah; but thats giving a lot of respect to Kush.
Unfortunately, he doesnt even deserve that level of respect... seriously.. read the scum qt for "sicilian' mafia lol
If you really have that much doubt in kush.. sure shoot him.. but last i checked, the concept of the game was to lynch scum; not clear rid of bad townies. On August 15 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta is okay with lynching his town reads and shooting his town reads. Seems legit. Also seems legit that nobody reads my case on him and now people realize "on their own" how shitty his reads in fact are.
Why do i even bother posting?
As for shooting Kush.,. yeah. I did my best to try n get him off the table, but the lords didnt want to cave. What can ya do? You are weirdly fixated on this point I must say. Its not alignment indicative to be comfortable with a kush death. Hes not someone you want to end game with as TOWN or SCUM.
This is when Mocsta starts really pushing Vivax lynch.
Prove me wrong scum.
Q.E.D
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On August 17 2013 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 17:51 Mocsta wrote:On August 17 2013 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:
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Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town.
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Firm
Iamperfection
Chromatically
Risen
Soft
Raynpelikoneet or Acrofales
Koshi
Vivax
mmm got iamp wrong.. damn..
On August 14 2013 15:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are lynching Vivax today. Last I checjed. U r not lord. Chromatically >>> vivax On August 14 2013 15:15 Mocsta wrote:
I gave an intuition read on chromatically in my reads.
That's my basis and can be easily supported by quotes.
The guy is a classic blender.
As for vivax. He needs more time. This town keeps wanting to lynch ppl with genuine in real life business. Did u not learn your lesson with gumshoe. Firm tofu etc
Vivax has been busy.
Now he's no saint to me. But deserves a chance to post uninhibited
Unlike chromatically who has been flying under the radar by choice and then pushing lurkers. On August 15 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Ok. Skimmed all filters and was left with a couple that stuck out to me
Snb
Grackeroni
Koshi
Vivax
Rayn I'm back to 50/50. I think my issue with him is we are treating the same tells 100% opposite. But he's standing up for his belief, as am I. That's indicative of town. So will give him a beeather.
Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter.
I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle.
Koshi still sticks out to me. The really poor logic throughout the game. Not wanting to run for lord and then changing mind when an opportunity came through. He has also shown an inflexible mindset. I'm happy with his lynch too.
Grackeroni. I can't pinpoint it off my first skim but.. he's blending it. He shows enough understanding of the thread so is keeping up. But I don't like the moments he chooses to come into the thread. He's not really driving anything so the contributions I feel are fake. Plus u have the whole gumshoe 1hp leak thing. He made a defense of it which was handled well I admit. But too slick compared to his other posts. Smells very funny to me.
Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro.
In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax.
I can live with snb though. Notice that Mocsta has read the game earlier, in full. There is no new information because Vivax and SnB have not posted on D3. Notice how his reads on them suddenly change because he "read the same things he read earlier". Bullshit. LOL. This is classic guy doing ctrl+f, but not reading anything. There was new information. And i explained this to s0lstice already http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=180#3581*God its nice having a transparent filter* + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2013 11:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 02:32 s0Lstice wrote:
Mocsta -- you claimed that you wanted to see more from Vivax, and knew he was legit busy. When he finally came back to the thread, his posting to me looked town, yet you drew scum from this, in addition to his earlier posting which you presumably had already processed. You've talked about it some, but can you explain in a little more detail?
Yeah. My issue was he tried to dodge my questions. I asked him for justification for lack of followup. And he cited he something about having to read my case on chrom...which wasn't a case. Merely 2lines of thought. I believe he then contributed to ongoing convo but memory is a touch hazy there. Regardless he never retorted to my points and after reading his filter the consistency of his filter stuck out to me. Whereas when reading the game start to scratch I didn't get that feel as there was no thread presence. So in short. He chooses good times to post. But the whole feel of his filter just lacks the drive I expect froma town vivax.. if anything a town vivax would certainly run for mayor. Also regarding pms about yam. I hold no weight I. That. As said befor 1hp is hardly threatening AND scum vivax has no qualms bidding. He was a scum big in one game and shot a scummer. I still nailed him but can admit his playstyle has dramatically improved since then. On August 15 2013 21:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
kush is damaged (lords shot him last night), although we don't know how much hp he has left. Do you think we should finish him off first?
If we ignored kush and focus fired on vivax and he didn't die, would you still want to lynch him the next daycycle?
I'll be back later today. Kush is interesting. Someone else, because he didtn die "scum let him jump off a cliff" I disagree, because its clear they used scum used their NK to finish off Night1 targets. I also think Kush is town. So I would seriously suggest not to direct Lord KP that direction. On August 15 2013 21:57 Mocsta wrote:
yeah; but thats giving a lot of respect to Kush.
Unfortunately, he doesnt even deserve that level of respect... seriously.. read the scum qt for "sicilian' mafia lol
If you really have that much doubt in kush.. sure shoot him.. but last i checked, the concept of the game was to lynch scum; not clear rid of bad townies. On August 15 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta is okay with lynching his town reads and shooting his town reads. Seems legit. Also seems legit that nobody reads my case on him and now people realize "on their own" how shitty his reads in fact are.
Why do i even bother posting? As for shooting Kush.,. yeah. I did my best to try n get him off the table, but the lords didnt want to cave. What can ya do? You are weirdly fixated on this point I must say. Its not alignment indicative to be comfortable with a kush death. Hes not someone you want to end game with as TOWN or SCUM.
This is when Mocsta starts really pushing Vivax lynch.
Prove me wrong scum. Q.E.D No Mocsta. You tell one stuff to someone, then you tell another stuff to other people. Compare your answer to Solstice to this: Show nested quote +Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter. You are talking about Vivax' filter. This is entirely different than what do you say to Solstice. You are talking about Vivax' overall play, not how he responds to you.
If you say so rayn. What I said to s0lstice read quite clear to me.
Regardless he never retorted to my points and after reading his filter the consistency of his filter stuck out to me.
Whereas when reading the game start to scratch I didn't get that feel as there was no thread presence.
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On August 17 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who had scumreads on Clarity on D1 end?
Lol.. first post in from me.
On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:
Clarity_nl
Like him a lot.. I think he had a rough start, in fact I thought his first post was scummy. Since then, maybe around page 40; he has shown publically the best mindset I think. Is quite open to possibilities and is not haste in putting down people. Firm Town.
Its not unreasonable at all to think others also thought he looked poorly Day1.
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On August 17 2013 18:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were not here on D1 end.
Please let Onegu answer.
Why does it matter who had scum reads on him.
Are you trying to get the town RB to claim?
The point is; he started off weakly, so it is not unreasonable to have RB'd him.
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On August 17 2013 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to get anyone to claim.
Now shut up already and let Onegu answer.
You are.
You are proposing that the town RB chose xat or clarity.
Onegu explained very reasonably why a town RB may have chosen clarity.
I reinforced that message.
That satisfies the request..
now you are asking "so who had scum reads on clarity".
Thats essentially "who is town RB"
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I don't think this convo is productive
The important take is rayn now admits sharrant is playing diff to mafia lix.. when I came in the game saying sharrant is different . Rayn tried to throw shit at me
This guy just changes his tune based on who he's talking to.
He can't hide from me. Even with a 17page filter. He's scum yo
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Rayn.
Honestly. I don't blue hunt when I play as town
But to do that is not alignment indicative either.
This convo is truly pointless.
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Xat
Please detail why my play is nullish. When u were saying it was leaning townish yesterday.
Why is me saying. This is interesting alignment indicative?
U have been a voice of reason all game. So I am sure that u should be able to easily justify your position.
Lastly. Why have you not commented on the interplay with rayn
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Double bus. That's ridiculous to even consider. We have been both legitimately down each other throats
As fir why I gave up. I explained that. There was only 1 lord I trusted abd he insta voted me..is that not demoralizing?
Is it not important I'm here. Still posting?
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On August 17 2013 20:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:33 Mocsta wrote:
Double bus. That's ridiculous to even consider. We have been both legitimately down each other throats
As fir why I gave up. I explained that. There was only 1 lord I trusted abd he insta voted me..is that not demoralizing?
Is it not important I'm here. Still posting? It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum? Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way?
I have explained several times
Sharrant play doesn't match to what I know of him as town
But. Based on lynching yam. I think he is town
If it came down to us two for today. I would rather lynch him than me
1. I know in town
2.if Dt. He should be dead this night regardless
3. He doesn't contribute to scum hunting other than the checks. Unlike myself.
Of course. I prefer rayn over both of us though
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On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta.
lynch or shoot, whatever, idc.
All cos I wouldn't give u hp check info lol
Why is that alignment indicative again? U asked me to be shot
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On August 17 2013 23:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah unless he somehow got healed. Sucks that we have 1 less kp tonight but mocsta can die tonight.
This is your cue btw mocsta, even if you think you can't avoid getting killed by town, time to contribute with all your thoughts nicely condensed and useful etc etc
Go fuck yourself
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From: Dandel Ion [ 7123 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: hello
Date: 8/17/13 21:29
can you give me the hp numbers plz?
i wanted to check my house anyways, twice. before and after a night.
if you gimme i can just use our check now and it'd save me sick amounts of time.
Original Message From Mocsta:
We used it last cycle to check your house.
What hp am I on. Btw?
Do we know who checked me?
I'm pretty proud to be shot as a late replacement.
Show nested quote +
I can get modkilled now.
U guys are a bunch of real dumb fucks.
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On August 20 2013 14:43 Ace wrote:
GG. damn I was getting super suspect of rayne but wanted to dialogue our Lord elections that night so I could solidify my reads. Only thing that threw me off was Risen not instavoting Yamato even though he posted in the thread.
Stupid Town as always sharing too much information. Deserved to lose.
Agree.
Too focused on actions rather than motive. Ohh well u get that most games I suppose.
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Pm games suck too if u can't post logs.
Once I caught up before pushing vivax. I was over chromatically.
No-one wanted a bar of it stating he was town based on pms..
Sigh. Guess I shoulda pushed him harder.
Scum did well. Had rayn/koshi tag teaming to shit the thread. And chrom in pm land with town cred.
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On August 20 2013 14:50 s0Lstice wrote:
yea chrom fooled the shit out of me. worst read I had this game. good job chrom.
going into today I was gonna be on rayn and acro. that last cycle was bad for us. not much I/we could do to keep the votes out of acro and rayn's hands. The game was basically over then...but truthfully it was over when Mocsta modkilled himself.
wtf dude.
really just took the wind out of my sails.
This is such a sore loser attitude. I was a replacement. My slot was effectively dead.
I'm not condoning the modkill. Merely stating to blame a loss based on what the replacement did is poor play. I lynched scum and pushed 4/5 of them in the thread..yet was requested to be shot...what did u do?
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On August 20 2013 15:04 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote:On August 20 2013 14:50 s0Lstice wrote:
yea chrom fooled the shit out of me. worst read I had this game. good job chrom.
going into today I was gonna be on rayn and acro. that last cycle was bad for us. not much I/we could do to keep the votes out of acro and rayn's hands. The game was basically over then...but truthfully it was over when Mocsta modkilled himself.
wtf dude.
really just took the wind out of my sails.
This is such a sore loser attitude. I was a replacement. My slot was effectively dead. I'm not condoning the modkill. Merely stating to blame a loss based on what the replacement did is poor play. I lynched scum and pushed 4/5 of them in the thread..yet was requested to be shot...what did u do? how about shut up? I'm not blaming you for the loss.* I'm blaming you for taking enjoyment out of the game for me. yeah ok. But why? Modkills happen each and everygame. My slot was dead before replacing.
I really don't understand the reaction in comparison to everyday modkills.
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On August 20 2013 15:18 DrParnassus wrote:
moc, yours was malicious. i remember reading that you've never been mislynched.... ragequitting at a critical time for town is not the ideal way to uphold that statistic
It may have been taken that way.
But it was actually for town to move on and get a successful lynch. I didn't predict town would react that way
Either way. I genuinely didn't know it was cheating. If I did. I certainly wouldn't have quit. So I do apologise on those grounds.
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