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my town points for risen is consistent craziness.. that's it.. not sure how much to value that though
as for koshi.. your town points match mine, but, going against the grain is only worth so much. its an easy thing for ballsy scum to do, so u still need to give credit to what evidence he is providing to justify the opposition. I still think his justifications are poorly thought out
as for johnny. I'm very worried about him.. everything in his filter looks bad to me. he seems to just copy his houses cases... but, I give him higre town points for his first post in the game... him and yamato seemed to be genuinely squabbling.. so that's my conundrum and I have lumped him as bad town.
that's also why I elevated grackeroni to leaning scum. I chose johnny as townm and crack as scum.
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xat.... di filter is such a birch to read.. as he actually pushed anyone as scum
or is his filter just complaining about the lord nominations and then afk lurking?
I don't recall him pushing anyone , but I'm happy to be proven wrong
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On August 15 2013 20:38 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 20:36 Mocsta wrote:
xat.... di filter is such a birch to read.. as he actually pushed anyone as scum
or is his filter just complaining about the lord nominations and then afk lurking?
I don't recall him pushing anyone , but I'm happy to be proven wrong Koshi day 1, pretty hard. That's all I recall though, without looking at his filter. I think I've seen dandel do this in his towngames though. People call him town so he goes "right, time to troll and be useless" Problem is, it's too easy to replicate as scum. THAT SAID, he has posted reads (without reasons) and I've mostly agreed with them.
i have played one game with a town dandel. i cant remember what it was; but he kept calling me scum the whole game.
But had no thread presence. The main thing was; he never stopped posting..
Oberyn was concerned about his afk state.. and i told him that 1 to 2 days is ok, its weekend etc.
but now the afk has gone on for like 80hrs+ or watever. so yes, it is now concerning.
Either way.. im fully comfortable with a vivax lynch, or snb. (I prefer vivax.. mainly cos i respect his play much more than snb)
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On August 15 2013 20:38 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 20:36 Mocsta wrote:
xat.... di filter is such a birch to read.. as he actually pushed anyone as scum
or is his filter just complaining about the lord nominations and then afk lurking?
I don't recall him pushing anyone , but I'm happy to be proven wrong Koshi day 1, pretty hard. That's all I recall though, without looking at his filter. I think I've seen dandel do this in his towngames though. People call him town so he goes "right, time to troll and be useless" Problem is, it's too easy to replicate as scum. THAT SAID, he has posted reads (without reasons) and I've mostly agreed with them.
Also.. I dont count the koshi stuff. BECAUSE, thats purely inter-hosue. Cos then u can also include s0l.
I dont recall him pushign anyone outside his house.
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On August 15 2013 21:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I guess, but I mean, he pushed real hard. I'm concerned about his activity too though.
This is worth bringing up again d4, but I think today we should focus on the lynch at hand.
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On August 15 2013 20:48 Mocsta wrote:
Either way.. im fully comfortable with a vivax lynch, or snb. (I prefer vivax.. mainly cos i respect his play much more than snb)
I don't have a vote. So now just want more transparency from the 6 lords on where the votes are laying.
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Lord KP.. ummm.. it depends on the lynch and the intention of the KP.
If all lords are trust, I would think its best to focus fire the KP.
If lords are not trusted; then the town circle needs to focus fire the KP.
Also depends on whether any house has used the HP check etc. Until those variables are discussed, its difficult to say where it needs to go.
But if you want a rough idea. If SnB is to be lynched; I would focus fire Vivax.
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On August 15 2013 21:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
kush is damaged (lords shot him last night), although we don't know how much hp he has left. Do you think we should finish him off first?
If we ignored kush and focus fired on vivax and he didn't die, would you still want to lynch him the next daycycle?
I'll be back later today.
Kush is interesting.
Someone else, because he didtn die "scum let him jump off a cliff"
I disagree, because its clear they used scum used their NK to finish off Night1 targets.
I also think Kush is town. So I would seriously suggest not to direct Lord KP that direction.
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I just played with a scum kush and pegged him instantly.
unless he is being coached with what to say; hes playing completely different.
Yes, kush did support a yamato lynch; but i felt it wasnt brought up in a "im right" kinda way.
His filter to me, reads as very unconfident, and thats a town kush as far as im concerned.
Thing is, i dont expect scum to finish him off.. because whats the point?
Its far more valuable for town to waste a lynch (which completely kills someone regardless of how many hp they have)
i.e if scum have 7hp like town seem to have; then 6 town lords cant kill scum in 1 night. so yeah..
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yeah; but thats giving a lot of respect to Kush.
Unfortunately, he doesnt even deserve that level of respect... seriously.. read the scum qt for "sicilian' mafia lol
If you really have that much doubt in kush.. sure shoot him.. but last i checked, the concept of the game was to lynch scum; not clear rid of bad townies.
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On August 15 2013 22:03 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:57 Mocsta wrote:
yeah; but thats giving a lot of respect to Kush.
Unfortunately, he doesnt even deserve that level of respect... seriously.. read the scum qt for "sicilian' mafia lol
If you really have that much doubt in kush.. sure shoot him.. but last i checked, the concept of the game was to lynch scum; not clear rid of bad townies. I agree we won't to shoot scum, but I don't understand how you can have such a strong read on him. My issue is this, if he is scum and we just go "yeah whatever kush is kush" what happens when/if we get to lylo? You sound confident in the read though, I'll check out sicilian scum qt later. (note how in sicilian obs qt I called kush scum cause he was right about stuff)
Well. its hard to know if kush is right... we only have one scum flip; and he really didtn seem taht confident in yamato.
Either way, I agree if kush is a problem. use the lord kp on him. But at this point in the game; we arent in lylo/mylo. So deal with it then I imagine.
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On August 15 2013 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
Kush is dying tonight. He's on low HP and not playing for town. It would be ridiculous to waste a lynch on him. It would be even more ridiculous to let him live to LYLO. If he's scum, he'll just finish the game with scum. If he's town, it's the easiest mislynch possible (remember that the weakest townies are alive at LYLO to oppose scum). He just needs to die.
I dont really care if Kush is in or out; because I do understand the cons of a town Kush.
Im just saying its poor play because that KP could be used to hit alternative scummy people.
But, if you guys truly dont think he *could* be bad town; then get rid of him.
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As an aside, 3/4 of this game I wouldnt want to end-game with.. so are we going to shoot them all as well?
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On August 15 2013 22:24 Xatalos wrote:
By the way.....
"Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town."
WHAT?
Scum SnB in my experience, is always trying to push something.
Thats where that came from. Town often dont give a shit, and live by the 80/20 rule.
Everyone talks about model townies that are transparent and scum hunting; but fact is.. most townies are filled with sheep lurkers, and its the minority that carry the game. Its a heuristic. Reads change; and based on how SnB has handled his pressure this cycle, my read changed and the heuristic was discarded.
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Koshi. stop being a moron. The answers are in my filter.
e.g. chromatically was explained in the post i made making a case on rayn.
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On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:
I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces.
I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game.
Shoot on sight.
Thats town Kush for sure...irk.. reminds me of smurf mafia.. fuck that guy is frustrating
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Dont u love how Koshi and Rayn like to attack ppl in tandem? Quite the coordinated effort gents.
When Kush kept talking to Sharrant about "fags".. musta been addressing you two.
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On August 15 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 22:38 Mocsta wrote:On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:
I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces.
I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game.
Shoot on sight. Thats town Kush for sure...irk.. reminds me of smurf mafia.. fuck that guy is frustrating Did you just completely skip the second paragraph? He's nothing like smurf mafia kush.
Yes, i skipped the 2nd paragraph haha
but i was in smurf mafia. my recollection of that game was that he was like dandel
spammed random shit; and then about midway, kush clicked on a button and said "im the best scum hunter" and started trying real hard (course got it all wrong)... the point was; he flip flops non stop as town.
scum hes usually pretty firm.. anyways.. this is all a waste of time. if you want to shoot him shoot him.
I would have thought the thread right now is better served to discuss who is getting lynched.
I still want vivax gone.
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On August 15 2013 22:46 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
Dont u love how Koshi and Rayn like to attack ppl in tandem? Quite the coordinated effort gents.
When Kush kept talking to Sharrant about "fags".. musta been addressing you two. A really good idea to start insulting when several people want you lynched even today.
Xat, ppl want me lynched every game; im not going to start crying about it.
If you had a read on me, whether town or scum.. and are willing to discard that read based on the post above... then i can add you that the 3/4 list of ppl i dont want to end game with.
The fact is, Koshi has come in, slandered me with no substance. and has now proceeded to disappear.
Why is this smear campaign acceptable behaviour from a townie? [Thats a real question for you]
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On August 15 2013 23:02 Koshi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 22:41 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 22:40 Koshi wrote:On August 15 2013 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi. stop being a moron. The answers are in my filter.
e.g. chromatically was explained in the post i made making a case on rayn. Mocsta is confirmed scum. Where did you lose the Risen read? How come? Because he is just ad hominem attacking me. Am I not allowed to question him? What was wrong about my question? Where did his Risen read go? Chroma was certain scum in his first post, but because people say he was active in PMs he leaves it alone. How does that happen? Did he verify those people? ... Mocsta came in this thread with clear goals, not as somebody that didn't read the thread and was going to take advice from anybody. Look at how he describes his read on Vivax. "I liked Vivax his first post about Koshi". [bEverybody read Vivax his filter and tell me about what he is talking about? Vivax his post helping me to make a better case around Oats? That's Vivax for you, he helps me around since Sicilian. But what is there to like??? And why does Mocsta ignore Vivax his real first post & case vs Johnnywup? Mocsta has come into this game to get me lynched. It's pathetic and obvious. Do you see how Mocsta never answers to my questions? c While that is bullshit. Or that he didn't read jrkirby his filter. Or his posts while rereading the thread. BULLSHIT. Mocsta confirmed scum for me. Till the end of this game. [/b]For someone that has me as "scum forever" you keep perpetuating lies; and keep failing at reading my filter.
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Do you see how Mocsta never answers to my questions?
I already answered your last set of questions.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=155#3093
Or that he didn't read jrkirby his filter
Well the query is retarded in the first place.
Whether i am town or scum, Im going to say the filter is town. Personally i think the filter is bad town, but thats not the point. You have not actaully asked a question that will shed light on my alignment.
Or his posts while rereading the thread.
Why is this alignment indicative? I do this in every game i replace. If anything, it is town confidence to come in and post without reading. Just because I dont know what happened DAy1, doesnt mean I cant pick up scummy shit when i see it.
Mocsta has come into this game to get me lynched.
Right? yet, the ppl I have pushing for a lynch this cycle is RAyn and now Vivax..
You too funny Joshi.
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As for why I liekd Vivax from his first post.. its because I read you as scum and I liked that he was attempting to probe you. Unfortunately, he never followed through with it; so the townies reduced.
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As for Risen, I explained already to Xatalos, hes consistently crazy. Its pretty hard to fake that as scum. Im willing to downgrade him as low priority and focus on better percentage scummers such as Vivax and yourself.
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On August 15 2013 23:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 23:20 Mocsta wrote:
As for Risen, I explained already to Xatalos, hes consistently crazy. Its pretty hard to fake that as scum. Im willing to downgrade him as low priority and focus on better percentage scummers such as Vivax and yourself.
Where? I read over it or something but I don't see it.
On August 15 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote:
my town points for risen is consistent craziness.. that's it.. not sure how much to value that though
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On August 15 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 23:28 Mocsta wrote:On August 15 2013 23:26 Koshi wrote:On August 15 2013 23:20 Mocsta wrote:
As for Risen, I explained already to Xatalos, hes consistently crazy. Its pretty hard to fake that as scum. Im willing to downgrade him as low priority and focus on better percentage scummers such as Vivax and yourself.
Where? I read over it or something but I don't see it. On August 15 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote:
my town points for risen is consistent craziness.. that's it.. not sure how much to value that though Wasn't he not batshit crazy when you wrote he was certain scum? You said he was certain scum in multiple posts.
Well hes been in the thread for longer periods at a time; since I replaced in.
So yeah, the craziness is consistent. As I said; im not sure how much to value it; so I would perfer a lynch im more confident about.. e.g. vivax.
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