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The thing with Clarity is this:
Townies do fuck up. Scum also do fuck up. Based only on the PM´s with him/SnB it´s impossible to tell if Clarity is mafia or not. However, when someone fucks up and there is no real explanation, it´s far more likely that it was scum who fucked up. My opinion is that if you do reaction tests you plan them out well. You don´t just throw stupid stuff there to "see what happens". It´s gonna fail, always.
Now this is what i told Oats earlier. This is exactly what i am talking about. There is some REDACTED dude whose identity/thoughts are not revealed, but he has some points why Clarity is town. If these points are valid, for example i am right now wasting my time with thinking about if we should lynch Clarity or not. WHY THE FUCK is it so hard to just stop this thing if you think it´s bullshit? Just because you don´t want to reveal you are in the same house with snb & clarity.
Guess what, you are wasting town´s time here. It´s anti-town. From all of you.
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Xatalos seems to be the only person who gets how to play this game. Town.
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I do not know. Maybe to seem like he is trying? Make a "reaction test" without thinking much? I do not know why he would do that as town either. I am trying to figure that out right now.
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lol Onegu. The info is nothing. Can you say something that makes sense?
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On August 09 2013 02:28 Onegu wrote:
I dont see any reason for scum to pass that info on to a town member through pm other than to try to friend that person, and that is just bad. Clarity is most likely town.
THERE IS NO INFO IN CLAIMING YOUR ROLE NAME! Or is there? Do role names imply alignment?
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SnB, Clarity and REDACTED:
Why can´t you just tell what the reasons for REDACTED is to think Clarity is town?
You are pushing the issue under the carpet after making such a scene out of it first. Why is that?
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On August 09 2013 02:36 Onegu wrote:
I think multiple people sent out the same message to become house lord to everyone in thier house. Yamato did in ours. So the real problem was FT seemed confident in that post but not in his other PMs. Anything else make you feel scum on him?
That is everything FT has done barring his other PM´s with Risen and nachodude. So everything he has done is scummy and you are asking if there is something more?
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On August 09 2013 02:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 02:28 Onegu wrote:
I dont see any reason for scum to pass that info on to a town member through pm other than to try to friend that person, and that is just bad. Clarity is most likely town. THERE IS NO INFO IN CLAIMING YOUR ROLE NAME! Or is there? Do role names imply alignment? There is no way of knowing SnB did it to become lord though. And there could be eole names that are alignment indicative or not we cant know so passing that info on does nothing for scum.
Why didn´t you ask the hosts if role names are alignment indicative or not before basing your read on someone on the the "fact" that "they might be"?
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On August 09 2013 02:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SnB, Clarity and REDACTED:
Why can´t you just tell what the reasons for REDACTED is to think Clarity is town?
You are pushing the issue under the carpet after making such a scene out of it first. Why is that? I'm sure REDACTED will be here at some point and if I'm in danger of being lynched he'll probably share it. Assume he didn't have a read on me, would you want to lynch me?
If i wanted, i would be voting for you. I do not know, that´s why i am trying to focus on other stuff. I am missing a part of information i fell is important to have a better read on you. Someone can give me that information but 3 people are refusing to do so. It´s retarded.
What do you think of FT & Onegu?
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On August 09 2013 02:42 Onegu wrote:
I dont know all the PMs all you really say is he was wishy washy, I was asking id there was more ro it than that.
Why are you asking the question from someone that can´t know the answer?
I am either telling the truth or lying about PM´s with FT. FT has not posted after N0.
Why do you have no conclusion?
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On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys?
I read all of this and i´m like wtf?
I am clueless..
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On August 09 2013 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey rayn, from your giant post: Show nested quote +I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.
FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness. if you were leaning scum on him why tell your house to elect him? Was there no way to elect one of the other two?
Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord.
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On August 09 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? I read all of this and i´m like wtf? I am clueless.. so therefore, this is why we dont discuss pm's in detail cause explaining shit is hard. Stick to the thread.
Are you sure Clarity believed your claim? Because he said he didn´t.
If he didn´t, all this proves nothing whatever his alignment is.
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On August 09 2013 03:05 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey rayn, from your giant post: I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.
FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness. if you were leaning scum on him why tell your house to elect him? Was there no way to elect one of the other two? Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord. I understand that not electing someone is terrible. My issue is that if you had a scumread on FT, why not try to convince one of the others to run? Surely you'd try to find a way to not elect your scumread?
I had no time any more and noone was answering me. There is no reason to have a lord that does not want to be one. They get lazy and we don´t gain information.
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On August 09 2013 03:14 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 03:05 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey rayn, from your giant post: I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.
FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness. if you were leaning scum on him why tell your house to elect him? Was there no way to elect one of the other two? Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord. I understand that not electing someone is terrible. My issue is that if you had a scumread on FT, why not try to convince one of the others to run? Surely you'd try to find a way to not elect your scumread? I had no time any more and noone was answering me. There is no reason to have a lord that does not want to be one. They get lazy and we don´t gain information. I'd like to distinguish between saying they don't want to be lord, and them not running for lord. Are you telling me 2/4 in your house did not WANT to be lord?
Yes. I am saying that.
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On August 09 2013 03:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 03:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 03:05 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey rayn, from your giant post: I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.
FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness. if you were leaning scum on him why tell your house to elect him? Was there no way to elect one of the other two? Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord. I understand that not electing someone is terrible. My issue is that if you had a scumread on FT, why not try to convince one of the others to run? Surely you'd try to find a way to not elect your scumread? I had no time any more and noone was answering me. There is no reason to have a lord that does not want to be one. They get lazy and we don´t gain information. I'd like to distinguish between saying they don't want to be lord, and them not running for lord. Are you telling me 2/4 in your house did not WANT to be lord? Yes. I am saying that. It seems like your House is full of scum or very unmotivated townies.
My house id the definition of AFK basically. :E
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On August 09 2013 03:23 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid. As I've said, I thought snb told me he was gonna tell everyone.
If you really thought that, then what was the point you telling his rolename to Oats in the first place?
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Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia?
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On August 09 2013 04:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia? All I know about Grackaroni is what you have told me, which is not conclusive at all. How am I to form an opinion without more information about your internal bickerings over there on those godforsaken isles?
What have i exactly told you about Grack?
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Acroflaes answer me please.
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