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On August 10 2013 04:22 Chromatically wrote:Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch. I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with). As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today. Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)
Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment.
meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI.
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On August 10 2013 04:38 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 04:22 Chromatically wrote:Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch. I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with). As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today. Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol. On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)
Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment. meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI. Sol has made it clear what his reasons were for not voting DI. Why would you invent your own reasons instead of using the ones that Sol actually used? What would your read on Sol be if you were using his stated reasons?
I don't think I'm really inventing my own reasons. s0lstice not voting his townread from a scum or town pov = irrational. town it's illogical, scum not a logical move because it makes you look scummy and is so easy to avoid. he clearly was angry at DI. He came out and said that he wouldn't vote DI because if he was somehow scum he would just get caught d1, shoot a townie and waste the check.
I read into that a little bit deeper and decided that I thought this was his thought process. "F DI, he's not better than me, if he's scum he's just going to be obv scum and use all our powers, f that I'm voting chrom.
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On August 10 2013 04:57 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:48 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 04:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 04:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 04:22 Chromatically wrote:Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch. I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with). As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today. Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol. On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)
Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment. meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI. Sol has made it clear what his reasons were for not voting DI. Why would you invent your own reasons instead of using the ones that Sol actually used? What would your read on Sol be if you were using his stated reasons? I don't think I'm really inventing my own reasons. s0lstice not voting his townread from a scum or town pov = irrational. town it's illogical, scum not a logical move because it makes you look scummy and is so easy to avoid. he clearly was angry at DI. He came out and said that he wouldn't vote DI because if he was somehow scum he would just get caught d1, shoot a townie and waste the check. I read into that a little bit deeper and decided that I thought this was his thought process. "F DI, he's not better than me, if he's scum he's just going to be obv scum and use all our powers, f that I'm voting chrom. You are inventing your own reasons. Sol has said that he still believes in his reasons and would use them again. He's defended them even though pretty much everyone disagreed with them. It's pretty clear that he wasn't just rage-voting me. If you think that Sol not voting for his townread is illogical, do you find it scummy? Do you think that town Sol makes regularly makes illogical moves like that?
I think DI said that Sol was pming those kind of reasons to him after I made that post so I couldn't have been too off.
On August 09 2013 19:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
tho i guess I'll look at grack's posts in particular.
I just found it peculiar that grackamole talks about our exchanges in a way that suggests that he heard about them by solstice, he has the same kind of "bias" towards it, and not all of it got conveyed into the thread in the proportions it happened.
It sounded like the retelling of information solstice would have given him, because the points grack uses to excuse sol are the kind of shit sol tried to excuse himself out of actually answering (to) me.
Peculiar, peculiar.
maybe I misread this quote but I thought DI was confirming that Sol tried to use that excuse with him as well, so I couldn't be too far off.
It seems like a more townie mistake to me, to get annoyed during an emotional argument and irrationally not vote for his town read, rather than a scum calling somebody town and then just slipping up and voting for Chromatically instead. Scum generally tend to be more careful than that and it doesn't seem like a real scum mistake to me.
I have no clue if s0l regularly makes illogical moves like that but I doubt it. I think it was just due to emotions getting in the way of logic.
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Hah I need to start proofreading my posts
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@Chromatically, what part of my opening post gave you scum vibes?
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On August 10 2013 05:22 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:21 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:17 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:11 Oberyn wrote:
yamato is getting on my nerves with his refusal to contribute. We shouldn't have to beg him.
I told him that he was the number one vig shot between the Lords and that he really needs to start posting if he is town.
His reply was essentially: "meh doubt it." It's not so much a refusal as an insidious apathy. Why are you being so obstreperous? You could just share your thoughts, and communicate freely with your lord. Even I am communicating with your lord, and I think he's a blithering idiot... and that's IN ADDITION to the inborn propensity of all Martells to be duplicitous assholes. It is STILL what a loyalist would do: we must find Blackfyres. Look, I already told you guys who to lynch.
Why were you so mad at oats at the start of the game for not allowing you to get a read on him when you don't care enough to allow others to get a read on you?
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I don't really see as town how you could genuinely be angry at oats and then be a complete hypocrite to what you expect from others
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On August 10 2013 05:28 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
@Chromatically, what part of my opening post gave you scum vibes? Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote:
Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?  Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. Scum come into the thread unsure of what they should post. This looks like you're trying to find anything that you can to post about, and none of it is concerned with finding scum. Providing some townreads and a null read do nothing to help find scum, and show an interest in "contributing" rather than looking for scum. I like how you reacted and explained the Sol situation though, so maybe not.
I don't really understand why my post is more scummy than others, I wanted to start discussing people and the only way we could do that is if I started talking about who was in my house and my perceptions of them. If we just continued talking about if we should reveal houses all game we would be nowhere right now. And that's what other first posts were concerned about.
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@Yamato, Please write out a case on S&B
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On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.
I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read?
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On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.
It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum.
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On August 10 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum. Okay this is weird. Why would you ever consider anyone´s first post more pro-town than yours? you should post as pro town as possible, in every single post.
when did I say this in my post? But I'm sure there were people that came into the thread with more pro-town first posts than my own. I try to make my posts as pro-town as possible obviously, but there are lots of town and some people are better at making posts that are pro-town than I am.
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On August 10 2013 05:54 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It´s everything that happened in his house. Do you give Oats scumread because he said everyone is town in his house and didn´t even explain anything? How can Grack possibly have scumreads if he thinks everyone is town fron N0? What would you suggest he contributes as scumhunting for his first post? This is Oats' first post: Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So who is scum so far from the 6 houses?
my house seems pretty townie Does that look like a fake contribution to you? Grack's first post was an explanation of useless reads that don't help town. It was trying to look like contribution without actually being any, ie scum. It's not that there's no scumhunting in his post, because that can depend on what happened in your house. It's that the post is trying to look helpful by providing reads that actually don't help.
They absolutely could have helped if Xata was willing to argue with my reads in the thread like I had wanted him to do. But apparently he prefers tunneling in private and then not using any of the responses he gets to influence his reads.
On August 08 2013 15:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:21 Xatalos wrote:
Are there scummy players in other Houses? Something really interesting that happened during N0 and should be shared? Well why don't we deal with our house first, we have to start somewhere and Iamp has told me he is going to push me for being apathetic and having a lack of interest. I feel like I was spending a lot of effort in my pm's with you. Have i been too apathetic?
But instead he chose not to respond to me and then came back in later and said that my post generated no discussion. ( I do think Xata is town, just not particularly pleased with him)
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On August 10 2013 06:00 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 05:54 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It´s everything that happened in his house. Do you give Oats scumread because he said everyone is town in his house and didn´t even explain anything? How can Grack possibly have scumreads if he thinks everyone is town fron N0? What would you suggest he contributes as scumhunting for his first post? This is Oats' first post: On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So who is scum so far from the 6 houses?
my house seems pretty townie Does that look like a fake contribution to you? Grack's first post was an explanation of useless reads that don't help town. It was trying to look like contribution without actually being any, ie scum. It's not that there's no scumhunting in his post, because that can depend on what happened in your house. It's that the post is trying to look helpful by providing reads that actually don't help. Yes, Oats´post was way more scummy to me than Gracks. Why?
Because I was trying to progress the thread.
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On August 10 2013 06:04 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:02 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 10 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote:
A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens.
Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally.
I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse.
##vote jrkirby
I still don't really understand. He came into the thread late and talked about setup, classic newbie mistake for either alignment. What are the other points against him? How is this different from a lurker lynch? Also, is anyone other than rayn willing to lynch Onegu right now? He's a lurker who has contributed NOTHING, nor given any intention of contributing anything. Why do you think he's a loyalist? Who would you prefer we kill today? My horse is ready. Adieu! Did I say he's a loyalist? He's basically a lurker lynch. Didn't we all agree we have KP for that? It's a policy lynch, coinflip. What information do we gain if he flips town? I like an onegu lynch. Risen are you ever going to explain your scumread on me? Apparantly I'm your main lynch candidate.
Onegu lynch looks good to me, he was really eager for the game to start pregame and since then all he has done is pop in and comment on little pieces of information without probing alignments or looking for scum.
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On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read? Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it. Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing.
And why choose me as your first target for defending s0lstice, when I have shown at least to some extent that I do care about the lynch?
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On August 10 2013 06:14 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read? Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it. Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing. And why choose me as your first target for defending s0lstice, when I have shown at least to some extent that I do care about the lynch? Because of your bad first post and weird Solstice defense. It also got a reaction from you that I liked.
But my first post wan't really bad and I don't get how the s0lstice defense makes me mafia. I did put in the effort to have a go at making a case on kirby even though it got shot down. That didn't get factored into your read of me?
The order of your suspicions are important to me, because right now I think that Koshi looks a lot better than Kirby or Onegu, and oftentimes I believe scum like to call out other scum in their posts and place them in a group of people they would consider lynching and then choose townies to be slightly more scummy. That way later on they can point out that they were suspicious of the scum. I don't agree with you thinking me or Koshi is more suspicious than onegu/kirby right now.
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Rayn where do you fall in on this, you were reading my dialogue with chromatically earlier.
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I just feel like he was grasping at straws with my first post and that he picked out my s0lstice reasoning because it was different from what thread thought at the time instead of it being scummy.
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On August 10 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don´t see why does that make you mafia (mainly because your first post was not bad). I don´t also know where he is trying to head with that? Like is he trying to get you lynched or what´s the point?
Not about me more what about what you think that says about chromatically's alignment
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