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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:09 GMT
#588
Especially since your reason for invalidating sol from being lord was me calling him scum without giving you a reason.
So you claim you're listening to me blindly, but do what you do so you don't have to listen to me?
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:11 GMT
#590
On August 08 2013 22:10 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
im not even reading the failed quote posts.
fix that shit if you want anybody to see it.


Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:03 Xatalos wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:40 Xatalos wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:
On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm.


Oats, I'm actually interested in this hidden bit of text within Acro's opening post. Why do you assume that your House members being "nice" makes them town? grackaroni was "nice" in our House, more so than gumshoe or me, yet he was the most scummy of us four. Precisely because he went with the flow and was so passive/reactive... or "nice". I'd even go so far as to say that some controversy is better than no controversy at all. Too much is too much though, like might be the case with House Baratheon.

By nice, I mean like not passive and shit. I dunno. Ok strongest thing is that discussion has been natural and so far no scumreads on anyone.



Could you maybe post some quotes from your PM conversations or something? I have a hard time just taking your word that everything was nice and good. Unless it's an all-town House, which is unlikely, there has to be something fishy.

Sure, get me modkilled.
Way to go.

On August 07 2013 11:07 DrParnassus wrote:
3 hours till game start. Two hours from now I will ask for silence and then begin sending out role pms. As stated earlier we are starting on N0, and nights are silent. Only in-house player to player pms are allowed during N0, there will be no other actions aside from pms and lord elections. You can only use TL Forum PMS for this. You aren't allowed to post logs of pms or copy and past any text/timestamps from a pm you received from either host or player. You are required to vote for the nightly election, do so by pm'ing this account.

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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:15 GMT
#594
On August 08 2013 22:12 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote:
Dandel.
What I said was completely true.

Why are you not mentioning that your spears of logic were killing Kush because it is win/win. That's THE ONLY reason you told me why to be lord. What other reason was there? None. Jeezus.

Funny when I say to you that I don't want to be Lord because I think S0lstice is a better choice = being scum
But when Chroma says to you that he wants to be Lord but he thinks S0lstice/DI is a better choice = super town & elected.
_________________________

@ all others
And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad.

What reasons has solstice given you when you voted him?
What reasons have YOU given?

none, I say.
Stop tunneling on a little joke, you're as bad as sol.

He said he was experienced, a good scumhunter and a teamplayer.

You instead said you were going to kill kush, and don't tell me it was a little joke because you said it 3 times. After that you said that s0lstice was scum 2 times... No spears of logic were ever fired.
I said I wanted to be lord because it was clear that not S0l or you should have been Lord. So it was way better for me to be Lord and then listen to what you 2 had to say. THE EXACT same thing that eventually Chroma got elected.

I said I was experienced, a good scumhunter, and obviously town when town.
how is that not logic?
sol isn't any of what he claimed. He talks about teamplaying and putting heads together and whatnot, but he doesn't listen, and I've not been able to make him share even a single read. tl;dr: he's bullshitting.

a joke is not a joke because i just went with it? what

bolded still makes no sense

My past experience with s0lstice is that he is, in fact, decent at sniffing out plotting rebels. I doubt I'd call him experienced, but he isn't green behind the ears. Being a teamplayer is completely subjective and often dependent on the team in the cutthroat environment that is the Game of Thrones.

I have no idea what happened behind the closed doors of Storm's End, but shutting down s0lstice for these reasons seems disingenious. Just saying.

His argument for being lord over me was basically that he's by and far the best town player.

Which is not true because that's me.
1) my reads are better
2) I'm able to look town as town
simple.

I'm not saying he's a complete moron (except to his face because it pisses him off), but I'm better.
And apart from his alleged qualities, there was no reason given to elect him, so clearly he should be able to tell that I make the better lord just from that.
Especially since he's not actually that bad, you see.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:16 GMT
#596
On August 08 2013 22:12 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
Especially since your reason for invalidating sol from being lord was me calling him scum without giving you a reason.
So you claim you're listening to me blindly, but do what you do so you don't have to listen to me?


This is getting confusing. Koshi, could you explain your line of thought during N0 more clearly?

good luck getting an answer.

i've asked him this 10 times
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:19 GMT
#599
On August 08 2013 22:17 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:12 Xatalos wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
Especially since your reason for invalidating sol from being lord was me calling him scum without giving you a reason.
So you claim you're listening to me blindly, but do what you do so you don't have to listen to me?


This is getting confusing. Koshi, could you explain your line of thought during N0 more clearly?

Dandel does not want to work with s0lstice
s0lstice does not want to work with DI
----> Koshi says he could be lord so they can both work with him. How is that not 100% logical? Funny thing is, a couple hours later for that exact same reason Chroma gets elected and DI is yelling at me.......

Also, I told DI from the start that I didn't want to vote him because I knew how he played in NWM, so DI his response to that is that he will be killing Kush no matter what.

because chrom was not an inconsistent passive-aggressive emo about it
and actually tried to read other people at least A LITTLE
not something you did so far.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:23 GMT
#603
summary of what koshi actually did n0:
1) say he doesnt want lord, sit back at lets people argue
2) people argue
3) he tries to capitalize and go for lord once that's going on
4) scummy plans foiled by Dandel The Ion who had to beat sol's face in repeatedly just to get consolidation
5) mad cuz plans foiled by sexy dandel
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:24 GMT
#605
On August 08 2013 22:21 iamperfection wrote:
chrom i want you to describe to me what went down in the thread.

joke's on you he's afk.

just pm him tho
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:24 GMT
#607
On August 08 2013 22:23 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:20 iamperfection wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote:

_________________________

@ all others
And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad.

I dont understand why you would cry like a baby about that. Who cares how we figure out peoples alignment.

Your pettiness about this subject shows to me that you dont seem that interested in solving the game.

I just summarized what happened last 6 hours and gave my conclusion on that? What more can I do? I am actually trying to play serious and solve this game... This is me being 100% town.

point me to where this happened.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:30 GMT
#612
On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel?

Maybe. He said he might/would + Show Spoiler +
but he didn't sound crazy about it imo but who knows.

tho sol said the same thing yet never pulled through.
chrom did sound the towniest of the bunch, but that's like being the best student in special class in this house.

On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about?

Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points [koshi dodged all of them though so he takes the cake] )
He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:33 GMT
#613
On August 08 2013 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:23 Koshi wrote:
On August 08 2013 22:20 iamperfection wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote:

_________________________

@ all others
And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad.

I dont understand why you would cry like a baby about that. Who cares how we figure out peoples alignment.

Your pettiness about this subject shows to me that you dont seem that interested in solving the game.

I just summarized what happened last 6 hours and gave my conclusion on that? What more can I do? I am actually trying to play serious and solve this game... This is me being 100% town.

point me to where this happened.

First I tried to create a good atmosphere to find scum, I said that we should discuss the members of the houses instead of being afraid of it. Then I pointed out Oats shitting up this thread. Then I prevented you for framing me and me getting lynched. Everything is good for town. What have you done?

null blergh, null blergh, null blergh.
Preempting a read you knew was coming just so your position looked better.... null at best.

town was nothing about this.

I'm actually looking for scum. Oh hey sick good idea! You have not looked for scum. How will you find scum if you don't look for scum?
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:35 GMT
#615
On August 08 2013 22:34 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure.


And how are you aware for what he said in PMs you couldn't have possibly been involved in? Did one of your other house members come to you and inform you that he was misrepresenting your townplay?

Koshi apparantly believed sol without question when he told him that and he told me as much, yes. Chrom also said that sol tried to make himself sound better and me worse.

So yeah.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:37 GMT
#616
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.

A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.
The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much.

Koshi still better lynch tho.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:39 GMT
#619
On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.

A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.
The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much.

Koshi still better lynch tho.

^
to clarify this part happened before i even said anything at all because i was asleep start of the game.
so all his cute little excuses he tries to cling to dont count because he didn't have them by then.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:44 GMT
#622
On August 08 2013 22:38 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, lets roll back for a second.

Lets assume DI is an upstanding Baratheon, and not Blackfyre scum. The only reason Koshi would make a big deal over not voting for DI, inventing nonsensical reasons for voting for s0lstice is if they are both Blackfyre sympathisers.

If Koshi is a secret plotting rebel, but s0lstice isn't, then it's possible Koshi would make a stink, but it seems to serve no real purpose (unless the Blackfyres are irrationally afraid of DI).

If s0lstice is a secret plotting rebel, then he just duped Koshi. I guess this is plausible, but the main suspect here seems to be koshi, not s0lstice.

So what exactly is koshi's motivation for this debacle, unless s0lstice is a filthy Blackfyre rebellion together with him. So... what is more likely, DI: they are both scum, or you're all three loyal to the realm, but confused about each other?

I am assuming Chromatically is an unwitting bystander, because that's what this all seems like from over here. If he was more involved, please tell us about his role in this.

well chrom has been bystanding basically just because he was afk so much.

he did however not fail the test that koshi failed so spectacularily.
cuz when I told chrom "sol is scum" in a oneliner without explanation he actually 1) asked for reasons 2) talked about the reasons 3) told me he was more suspicious of koshi instead and that i should look into him.

3) is a towntell in multiple ways which I won't go into right now

so yeah chrom wasn't doing much but it's not like he was super shifty about it and he's (again) the only housie that showed interest in figuring out the players in the house.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:51 GMT
#630
On August 08 2013 22:39 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.

A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.
The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much.

Koshi still better lynch tho.


Could you explain how Koshi was inconsistent in your PM conversations?

1) says the best scumhunter should be lord
1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom
2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places
2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him
3) says he doesn't want to be lord
3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why
4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol)
4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him.
4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any.
4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly
4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 13:52 GMT
#631
Also Chrom said koshi's early PMs looked nervous and terse, but he's probably better off explaining that himself.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 14:37 GMT
#663
On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.

I checked, I did NOT share any kind of read on sol.

The exchange you are mentioning went:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord (not "town" or "interested in the game", but "interested in being lord" how the fuck is that a reason to vote him if it's not for me)
DirtyPeasant: and I think you have an additional agenda
SexyDandel: yeah no shit sherlock I've told you my additional agenda, has solstice done that?

-THE END-

Can anybody see a read in that?
I don't.
Because at that point I wasn't even tunneling sol that badly anymore. Would be weird if I had shared a scumread in that case.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 14:39 GMT
#664
tl;dr: koshi is lying about me lying gg scum
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 14:40 GMT
#666
On August 08 2013 23:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:25 iamperfection wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:20 iamperfection wrote:
so im confused where did he specifically lie?

I did share my thought about S0lstice, the only difference with Chrom is that I backed S0lstice up and put suspicion back on DI which is what DI is not liking about me and why Chrom is town & Lord.

Dandel seems to have made quite the spotlight on himself what do you think of that?

I always answered his questions and made my thoughts clear.

also a lie ^
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 14:41 GMT
#667
On August 08 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.

I checked, I did NOT share any kind of read on sol.

The exchange you are mentioning went:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord (not "town" or "interested in the game", but "interested in being lord" how the fuck is that a reason to vote him if it's not for me)
DirtyPeasant: and I think you have an additional agenda
SexyDandel: yeah no shit sherlock I've told you my additional agenda, has solstice done that?

-THE END-

Can anybody see a read in that?
I don't.
Because at that point I wasn't even tunneling sol that badly anymore. Would be weird if I had shared a scumread in that case.

You forgot that we had that discussion 2 hours before that as well.

That one?

SexyDandel: koshi es scum
DirtyPeasant: do you actually think he's scum?
SexyDandel: dunno

-THE END-

Read is where exactly?
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