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On August 17 2013 20:50 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote:Anyway here's what's happened. Rayn as scum figured out something that SEEMS logical, and incriminates onegu. I point out his logic makes no sense, he insists it does. Him insisting makes him feel stuck, since if he just backs off he's afraid he'll be pegged as scum. Then I explain how by his logic, I should be scum as well. rayn feeling stuck on this one way street, takes the only path in front of him and says "yes, clarity is scum, he didn't answer my questions" He repeats the fact that I haven't answered his questions a couple of times. When I insist on him telling me what questions I haven't answered, rayn goes filterdiving and goes "crap, he did answer everything, what do I do?!?" Then he backtracks and says "Well, you did "answer" my questions but I think it's not the truth, because you're scum" Notice the lack of explanation, notice how general the accusation of lying is, no specific quote or logic. Now I push back hard, say his logic makes no sense as town (because it doesn't) and rayn is forced to backtrack even more: On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry. He wasn't even accusing me in the first place it seems. BUT WAIT WHEN XATALOS ASKS HIM IF HE THINKS IM SCUM AS WELL AS ONEGU, HE ANSWERS YES On August 17 2013 20:01 Xatalos wrote:
Back (as you can see from my Picard GIF, I was up a bit late last night...).
So we have another redcheck. There's a small chance (like less than 10%) that Mocsta was framed or something, but in all likeliness one of Sharrant or Mocsta is scum and must be lynched today. Mocsta should definitely be our lynch for today out of these two for a couple of reasons:
1) jrkirby's scummy play
2) Mocsta's nullish play
3) Sharrant's earlier redcheck success
4) I can also somewhat understand Sharrant's lacking playstyle if he is a permanent Cop (to avoid KP)
5) Mocsta's first reaction was "this is interesting" and give up, not to assume being framed or that Sharrant is scum - seriously...?
What went down in our House can basically be predicted from my last thread posts before deadline. I think I could have been able to convince Grackaroni to vote for me, but I still had some uncertainty about his alignment and wanted to see how he would use his status today (PMs + vote + KP etc.). I was also pretty certain I would die anyway (looks like I didn't) and I liked his thoughts during N3, leading me just to vote for him.
This crusade against Onegu by rayn is pretty pointless. Clarity had a good point when he said that by rayn's logic, Clarity is also scum. So rayn, is he? If not, why is Onegu scum? If you can't answer, are you just scum and flinging shit for no real reason? On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I say fuck the mocsta or sharrant lynch, if sharrant is cop scum have to kill him because they have no roleblocker (unless scum has two, possible I guess). Let's just lynch rayn, definite scum. LOL wtf Rayn? Your recent play really is full of contradictions. Can you explain your way out of this?
Clarity is misrepresenting me.
I did not accuse him before he got angry and answered with "i do not care to check and i do not remember".
After that you asked me if i think he is mafia and i said yes. Not before that.
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ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-.
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On August 17 2013 20:57 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 20:50 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote:Anyway here's what's happened. Rayn as scum figured out something that SEEMS logical, and incriminates onegu. I point out his logic makes no sense, he insists it does. Him insisting makes him feel stuck, since if he just backs off he's afraid he'll be pegged as scum. Then I explain how by his logic, I should be scum as well. rayn feeling stuck on this one way street, takes the only path in front of him and says "yes, clarity is scum, he didn't answer my questions" He repeats the fact that I haven't answered his questions a couple of times. When I insist on him telling me what questions I haven't answered, rayn goes filterdiving and goes "crap, he did answer everything, what do I do?!?" Then he backtracks and says "Well, you did "answer" my questions but I think it's not the truth, because you're scum" Notice the lack of explanation, notice how general the accusation of lying is, no specific quote or logic. Now I push back hard, say his logic makes no sense as town (because it doesn't) and rayn is forced to backtrack even more: On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry. He wasn't even accusing me in the first place it seems. BUT WAIT WHEN XATALOS ASKS HIM IF HE THINKS IM SCUM AS WELL AS ONEGU, HE ANSWERS YES On August 17 2013 20:01 Xatalos wrote:
Back (as you can see from my Picard GIF, I was up a bit late last night...).
So we have another redcheck. There's a small chance (like less than 10%) that Mocsta was framed or something, but in all likeliness one of Sharrant or Mocsta is scum and must be lynched today. Mocsta should definitely be our lynch for today out of these two for a couple of reasons:
1) jrkirby's scummy play
2) Mocsta's nullish play
3) Sharrant's earlier redcheck success
4) I can also somewhat understand Sharrant's lacking playstyle if he is a permanent Cop (to avoid KP)
5) Mocsta's first reaction was "this is interesting" and give up, not to assume being framed or that Sharrant is scum - seriously...?
What went down in our House can basically be predicted from my last thread posts before deadline. I think I could have been able to convince Grackaroni to vote for me, but I still had some uncertainty about his alignment and wanted to see how he would use his status today (PMs + vote + KP etc.). I was also pretty certain I would die anyway (looks like I didn't) and I liked his thoughts during N3, leading me just to vote for him.
This crusade against Onegu by rayn is pretty pointless. Clarity had a good point when he said that by rayn's logic, Clarity is also scum. So rayn, is he? If not, why is Onegu scum? If you can't answer, are you just scum and flinging shit for no real reason? On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I say fuck the mocsta or sharrant lynch, if sharrant is cop scum have to kill him because they have no roleblocker (unless scum has two, possible I guess). Let's just lynch rayn, definite scum. LOL wtf Rayn? Your recent play really is full of contradictions. Can you explain your way out of this? Clarity is misrepresenting me. I did not accuse him before he got angry and answered with "i do not care to check and i do not remember". After that you asked me if i think he is mafia and i said yes. Not before that. You asked me who had a scumread on me d1. Why the fuck would I even bother figuring out that answer for you If this is the question you referred to, then why did you first say I didn't answer it, and then said that I DID answer it but I'm not telling the truth (the truth is apparently NOT that I don't remember nor care to look)
It was for the same reason i asked Onegu about it. Apparently if you and Onegu are town you do not bluehunt. I find that really hard to believe because doing so is the easiest thing to distinguish true claims from fake claims later on and it really helps you figuring out mafia by process of elimination.
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On August 17 2013 21:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-. No rayn, you said you thought I was scum to xata. If you somehow did not think I was scum before I answered your dumb question with the truth that I didn't really care, then how do you come to the conclusion that both me and onegu are scum because of a dumb assertion you made BECAUSE I GOT MAD AT YOU.Your thinking is full of holes. Scum making it up as they go along. Hang him.
Fuck you. You are straight out lying!
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On August 17 2013 21:07 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-. No rayn, you said you thought I was scum to xata. If you somehow did not think I was scum before I answered your dumb question with the truth that I didn't really care, then how do you come to the conclusion that both me and onegu are scum because of a dumb assertion you made BECAUSE I GOT MAD AT YOU.Your thinking is full of holes. Scum making it up as they go along. Hang him. Fuck you. You are straight out lying! When you say someone is lying, it helps to point out what the lie is. This is the second time you've accused me of lying without doing the second part. You have logic that makes onegu scum I point out it makes me scum too You say I'm scum for being angry at you You did NOT say I am scum because your logic that makes onegu scum applies to me Ergo, making it up on the spot.
The same logic only applies to you if you:
1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end
2) Are not bad and bluehunt
3) Have been pushing those people after that
What you said was:
- SnB was not even suspicious of you
- You "don't care to tell me who you thought was suspicious of you, and don't remember" (IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IF THE PEOPLE WERE OR WERE NOT SUSPICIOUS OF YOU, IT MATTERS IF YYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU THINK SO OR NOT!"!"!"!!!"!!")
- You insult me.
To me that seems like you are avoiding the issue i have with you, you are not willing to explain to me your thought process, there is something (if you tell the truth) i find out where you have fucked up.
Those are the reasons i thought you were mafia for. And that was AFTER the Onegu argument and for DIFFERENT reasons.
If you are unable to see that i don't know what to say.
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On August 17 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-. No rayn, you said you thought I was scum to xata. If you somehow did not think I was scum before I answered your dumb question with the truth that I didn't really care, then how do you come to the conclusion that both me and onegu are scum because of a dumb assertion you made BECAUSE I GOT MAD AT YOU.Your thinking is full of holes. Scum making it up as they go along. Hang him. Fuck you. You are straight out lying! When you say someone is lying, it helps to point out what the lie is. This is the second time you've accused me of lying without doing the second part. You have logic that makes onegu scum I point out it makes me scum too You say I'm scum for being angry at you You did NOT say I am scum because your logic that makes onegu scum applies to me Ergo, making it up on the spot. The same logic only applies to you if you: 1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end 2) Are not bad and bluehunt 3) Have been pushing those people after that What you said was: - SnB was not even suspicious of you - You "don't care to tell me who you thought was suspicious of you, and don't remember" (IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IF THE PEOPLE WERE OR WERE NOT SUSPICIOUS OF YOU, IT MATTERS IF YYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU THINK SO OR NOT!"!"!"!!!"!!")- You insult me. To me that seems like you are avoiding the issue i have with you, you are not willing to explain to me your thought process, there is something (if you tell the truth) i find out where you have fucked up. Those are the reasons i thought you were mafia for. And that was AFTER the Onegu argument and for DIFFERENT reasons. If you are unable to see that i don't know what to say. My thought process about what? What have I not explained my thought process about? Is this another "you haven't answered my questions" ??? I'm sure at some point I said people other then snb and ft who are town could have roleblocked me, does that not answer your question? Who the fuck gets so offended over someone calling them a dork?
This is the last time i am trying to explain this.
When i asked you "who do you think were suspicious of you on D1 end" you answered "i don't remember and i do not care to check". If you do not answer me in that question, i can't follow your thought process (where i apply my logic of people actually thinking about this game - figuring out who does what and why) about who do you think who could have roleblocked you in your mind. Then i am unable to use my logic on if you are scum or not based on if you have pushed those people's lynch after that.
Like here is what i would think if i was roleblocked and assumed a roleblocker blocked me:
1) Are they a jailor or a roleblocker (do they have a town/scum read on me)?
2) In case of no jailor (as it seems likely now), is it town or mafia roleblocker?
3) In case i come to conclusion (as you have come?) town roleblocker;
4) Who had a scumread on me? (let's apply the logic i used on Onegu here and say SnB is the only one)
5) SnB
6) Conclusion; SnB is likely a town roleblocker.
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7) Now, as i have a reason to assume SnB is a town roleblocker, i have something to work with. I need to find more about him to confirm him in a way or another in case (1) he really is the town rb'r, so i can defend him for not being possibly mislynched, or (2) i am wrong in something, who else fit's in the profile so i can go back to 1 with them.
Do you understand my logic?
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It is as important to find townies than it is to find mafia. Every townie you find is -1 mislynch opportunity to mafia. When those options run out mafia is screwed.
That's why i can't understand why people do not think this kind of stuff.
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Rayn says that he got a scumread on me after the onegu argument, but the onegu argument was before I got angry at him.
What? You dunked yourself? :D
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On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn.
No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying.
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On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons
Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu.
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On August 17 2013 21:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ffs i was having an argument with Clarity, then he decided he wants to stop the argument when i am not done. With saying "i do not care and don't remember".
It's another thing if we are both town and just think differently, but if you think i am scum because i was trying to have an argument with someone and they start insulting me + fall back from the argument and because i think they are scum because of that you are being ridiculous-. No rayn, you said you thought I was scum to xata. If you somehow did not think I was scum before I answered your dumb question with the truth that I didn't really care, then how do you come to the conclusion that both me and onegu are scum because of a dumb assertion you made BECAUSE I GOT MAD AT YOU.Your thinking is full of holes. Scum making it up as they go along. Hang him. Fuck you. You are straight out lying! When you say someone is lying, it helps to point out what the lie is. This is the second time you've accused me of lying without doing the second part. You have logic that makes onegu scum I point out it makes me scum too You say I'm scum for being angry at you You did NOT say I am scum because your logic that makes onegu scum applies to me Ergo, making it up on the spot. The same logic only applies to you if you: 1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end 2) Are not bad and bluehunt 3) Have been pushing those people after that What you said was: - SnB was not even suspicious of you - You "don't care to tell me who you thought was suspicious of you, and don't remember" (IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IF THE PEOPLE WERE OR WERE NOT SUSPICIOUS OF YOU, IT MATTERS IF YYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU THINK SO OR NOT!"!"!"!!!"!!")- You insult me. To me that seems like you are avoiding the issue i have with you, you are not willing to explain to me your thought process, there is something (if you tell the truth) i find out where you have fucked up. Those are the reasons i thought you were mafia for. And that was AFTER the Onegu argument and for DIFFERENT reasons. If you are unable to see that i don't know what to say. My thought process about what? What have I not explained my thought process about? Is this another "you haven't answered my questions" ??? I'm sure at some point I said people other then snb and ft who are town could have roleblocked me, does that not answer your question? Who the fuck gets so offended over someone calling them a dork? This is the last time i am trying to explain this. When i asked you "who do you think were suspicious of you on D1 end" you answered "i don't remember and i do not care to check". If you do not answer me in that question, i can't follow your thought process (where i apply my logic of people actually thinking about this game - figuring out who does what and why) about who do you think who could have roleblocked you in your mind. Then i am unable to use my logic on if you are scum or not based on if you have pushed those people's lynch after that. Like here is what i would think if i was roleblocked and assumed a roleblocker blocked me: 1) Are they a jailor or a roleblocker (do they have a town/scum read on me)? 2) In case of no jailor (as it seems likely now), is it town or mafia roleblocker? 3) In case i come to conclusion (as you have come?) town roleblocker; 4) Who had a scumread on me? (let's apply the logic i used on Onegu here and say SnB is the only one) 5) SnB 6) Conclusion; SnB is likely a town roleblocker. ... 7) Now, as i have a reason to assume SnB is a town roleblocker, i have something to work with. I need to find more about him to confirm him in a way or another in case (1) he really is the town rb'r, so i can defend him for not being possibly mislynched, or (2) i am wrong in something, who else fit's in the profile so i can go back to 1 with them. Do you understand my logic? And here you apply the logic again that I said would make me scum too. Yet you called me scum for getting angry at you, not for the exact same reasons. YOU SAID TO XATA I AM SCUM FOR THOSE REASONS and then YOU SAID I'M SCUM BECAUSE I GOT MAD You cannot keep your story straight because you're not thinking about the game in a way that implies a townie mindset. You're just trying to look like you're thinking about the game. Get tunneled son
I am done talking to you because you clearly do not read my posts closely.
It's really clear what i say in that post.
First paragraph is telling why i can't apply my logic to you.
Second is telling how i use my logic.
The second paragraph has nothing to do with my read on you or how i concluded you were scum.
Do whatever you want. I'm gonna be really sad if you are town.
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On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally.......
Why is everyone so dumb?
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On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally.......
I have explained at least three times why it did not! Why is it so fucking hard to understand what i write?
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I think SnB is confirmed town.
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Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.
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On August 17 2013 21:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Alright let me address that then since you seem to be clinging to it for dear life: Show nested quote +The same logic only applies to you if you:
1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end
2) Are not bad and bluehunt
3) Have been pushing those people after that 1) Why does this matter? clearly the thread shows only ft and snb were suspicious of me, and by your logic that means only those two can be town roleblocker in my eyes. 2) same goes for onegu but you didn't mention that 3) I HAVE, I PUSHED SNB MOST OF d3
1) Because not all the people do not read the thread in the same way. If that was the case we would have only same opinions about everything. I can't possibly know who you think is suspicious of you because you read posts differently (at least those that address you) than i do. It's not always so black & white. The difference with you and Onegu is that he told me he thought FT and SnB were suspicious of him (in his opinion) and didn't remember anyone else.
2) I did mention that. That was the whole foundation of my case today on him, lol
3) Yes you have, the difference is in (1). You did not tell me if you thought SnB was suspicious of you or not. If you thought SnB was not suspicious of you at the end of D1, you pushing him means shit and is not alignment indicative in this case.
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On August 17 2013 21:58 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia. What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night? Also this.
Mafia more than town.
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On August 17 2013 22:01 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:58 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia. What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night? Also this. Mafia more than town. How is he confirmed if there is(?) a slight difference?
Well that's what i think. You are allowed to think otherwise. Also what Clarity said about him makes it likely they are both town, but that's kinda cheating. But nvm. That's what i think.
I also personally think everyone that does not follow the rules should be modkilled. Apparently half of the playerbase is incapable of understanding what "no posting during night phases mean".
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On August 17 2013 22:03 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Alright let me address that then since you seem to be clinging to it for dear life: The same logic only applies to you if you:
1) Tell me who you think were suspicious of you at D1 end
2) Are not bad and bluehunt
3) Have been pushing those people after that 1) Why does this matter? clearly the thread shows only ft and snb were suspicious of me, and by your logic that means only those two can be town roleblocker in my eyes. 2) same goes for onegu but you didn't mention that 3) I HAVE, I PUSHED SNB MOST OF d3 1) Because not all the people do not read the thread in the same way. If that was the case we would have only same opinions about everything. I can't possibly know who you think is suspicious of you because you read posts differently (at least those that address you) than i do. It's not always so black & white. The difference with you and Onegu is that he told me he thought FT and SnB were suspicious of him (in his opinion) and didn't remember anyone else. 2) I did mention that. That was the whole foundation of my case today on him, lol 3) Yes you have, the difference is in (1). You did not tell me if you thought SnB was suspicious of you or not. If you thought SnB was not suspicious of you at the end of D1, you pushing him means shit and is not alignment indicative in this case. that's because you specifically asked onegu who was suspicious of me d1, what is he supposed to answer other than the two people that showed it in thread? Is he supposed to guess?!? He even later said that other townies could easily have a scumread on me during n1 but didn't mention it. But you just glanced over that post didn't you?
No, look. If he was looking for the town roleblocker (as i assumed he would), i would assume he would pay attention to that kind of a thing. Of course there could be more people, for example Risen was suspicious of you, i know that. The important part is what Onegu thinks. If Onegu does not see Risen being suspicious of you, then he probably does not assume Risen is the town roleblocker. It does not matter who were/were not. It matters what the person in question thought. He is not supposed to guess, he is supposed to say what he remembers. If people think about this kinda stuff they do remember.
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On August 17 2013 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Mistakes happen, it didn't harm anything. People who are host wifoming that scum is less likely to get modkilled for it are dumb.
Yes i understand SnB and Ace made a mistake, it's pretty clear whatever SnB's alignment is.
I was referring to other ~5 people who clearly did not make a mistake.
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