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On August 17 2013 14:43 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 14:37 Sharrant wrote:On August 17 2013 14:31 Mocsta wrote:On August 17 2013 14:28 Sharrant wrote:On August 17 2013 14:27 s0Lstice wrote:On August 17 2013 14:26 Sharrant wrote:On August 17 2013 14:25 s0Lstice wrote:On August 17 2013 14:19 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, Mocsta, who do you want to lynch most right now? Who do you think is the towniest person there is? Why on both of those? hey, why so useless with all that town cred you have? Fine. I'm too excited. I have a red check on Mocsta. You're welcome. well this is gonna be a fun day it looks like. so you are claiming to be an actual detective. you also have the ability to PM two people outside of the normal house PMs. anything else I'm missing? Yeah, you could also read the thread sometime. The two people are the other people in my house. Seriously, even Risen had to print a retraction because of it. Get with the times. Yes, I'm a detective that alternates between alignment check (odd days) and hp check (even days). I think you are town; so Im going to believe the check is valid. I led the lynch on Vivax; why check me? I can't read your posts, and it makes it so I can never read you in a game. I found Kirby scummy, but I know I can't read you, so I used the check on you to simplify matters. OK. ##vote: Mocsta
The correct way of doing this is posting a picture of a baby seal. You know NOTHING Lord Martell.
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On August 17 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote:![[image loading]](http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQb5uuvFxa_2lc1rdBqGnI4dF7GheIjlVS943tQFyeB0xPmT9jO)
But at least you learn fast.
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On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally.......
Jesus. This thread has gone to shit... and by the looks of it Rayn is the reason. Why are people even engaging him? He's scum.
So is SnB, and so is Mocsta. Their coup failed, because they planned to kill Clarity, but failed: SnB didn't become lord, and town controls 3 votes.
I don't give a shit in which order we kill them.
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On August 17 2013 22:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
the order should be snb -> shoot mocsta
Let me think on this. Why is Rayn not in your list?
Also, how is Mocsta below full HP? I don't know of any lords shooting him?
N1, all lords allegedly shot gumshoe. If someone didn't, they didn't claim.
N2, no shots went to Mocsta insofar as I know.
N3, only Sharrant claimed to shoot someone other than Kush/jwup and he shot Koshi.
So who shot jrkirby/Mocsta?
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On August 17 2013 22:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 22:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 17 2013 22:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
the order should be snb -> shoot mocsta Let me think on this. Why is Rayn not in your list? Also, how is Mocsta below full HP? I don't know of any lords shooting him? N1, all lords allegedly shot gumshoe. If someone didn't, they didn't claim. N2, no shots went to Mocsta insofar as I know. N3, only Sharrant claimed to shoot someone other than Kush/jwup and he shot Koshi. So who shot jrkirby/Mocsta? Need to know information, but both me and xata know. It wasn't really rayn shitting up the thread as much as it was me.
Wait... if he's below 7 and not shot by a lord (gone back an checked, and I think all Lord KP is accounted for without shooting Mocsta). That leaves scum KP?
I guess there's a chance at a vigi, but why are you assuming the presence of a vigi?
##unvote until this makes sense.
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Okay. DI is being a dick. He is claiming he knows someone shot Mocsta, but isn't saying whether he knows because he used the HP check, or because someone claimed vigi. I did the math on the Lord KP and there is only 1 possible shot on Mocsta: from Oats on N2. The only other potential KP that is missing is that Sharrant lied, or Risen lied. Neither seems likely at all to me.
I don't care who shot him. I care that it WASN'T scum. Can anybody guarantee that?
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Think I figured it out. Now can we actually KILL Mocsta tonight? DI seemed unsure.
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So Mocsta is almost certainly town. I refuse to believe Sharrant is scum, which makes him framed or miller. If Sharrant is scum, he deserves to win the best mafia play of the century award. There is no way he did this as scum.
With Mocsta town, it means I was also wrong about how scum planned today out. They clearly didn't give a shit about Sharrant living, so they either believed he is a one-shot cop, which even I didn't believe and I am almost certain he's town, or they tried to kill him and failed, OR their big play is something other than I thought.
Lets analyse the situations:
1. I don't think any scum would just casually risk leaving a claimed cop alive. They know he's town, they know he has a vested interest in staying both alive and unblocked, so his ONLY option is to claim 1-shot cop regardless of his actual role. Then he claimed the HP check thingy, so they KNEW he had lied. Why on earth suddenly believe him on the third night. It makes no sense at all. Discarded, because nobody is that stupid.
2. They tried to kill him and failed. It might show up in his health, and that'd make a pretty good cop check: if his health is under 7, he is almost guaranteed to be town. Because no scum shoots themselves in the face.
3. The big play doesn't involve Mocsta, but it involves someone else. Either it succeeded, in which case scum would already have claimed, used their 3 votes and fucked us up the ass, or it failed. The most obvious place of failure is House Stark, if they tried to kill Clarity and failed. A HP check on House Stark might give information about whether this was a Big Play.
My house still has its HP check (unless Sharrant used it without telling anyone, in which case I'll know soon enough and we lynch him, then nominate him for both the best and the worst mafia play of the century). I am gonna think about which one to use it on. If any other house still has a HP check, we can just do both.
Also, given that this game IS going to succumb to mod-meta-reading unless it is ended the moment Mocsta is modkilled, I think SnB not being banned for breaking the rules multiple times is more likely if he's scum. Scum lost 2 members in 2 consecutive lynches, and a modkill on top of that is something I, as a host, would really try my best to avoid. I think I would be less lenient on townies, after numerous warnings.
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On August 18 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:Acro can you walk me through your thought process between these two posts? Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 14:45 Acrofales wrote:
Also, I think I'm wrong on Rayn. Mocsta was incriminating him in PM and telling me to push his lynch while calling SnB town.
This game is too easy. Scum surrender pl0x? Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 22:26 Acrofales wrote:On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally....... Jesus. This thread has gone to shit... and by the looks of it Rayn is the reason. Why are people even engaging him? He's scum.So is SnB, and so is Mocsta. Their coup failed, because they planned to kill Clarity, but failed: SnB didn't become lord, and town controls 3 votes. I don't give a shit in which order we kill them.
Well, it was mainly continued thought about why Sharrant would be left alive and unroleblocked. It seems to me the only reason scum would do that is because they make a big play, seize control over town and are never planning on letting go: cop checks are irrelevant if you're planning on claiming scum anyway.
With Mocsta and SnB pretty deep red, and DI pretty green, that means either Grackaroni, or Rayn has to be scum for it to work at all. I have somewhat of a town read on Grack, and despite Mocsta's PMs, I can obviously see Rayn as scum. Obviously the thought of the plot actually working, and SnB/Clarity being irrelevant to it crossed my mind, but then there's nothing we can do anyway, so why bother about it. Obviously with Mocsta being town, it seems far more likely that they are both scum now, IF it was a Big Play. They might just have been banking on being able to kill Sharrant and a clutch medic saved his life.
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On August 18 2013 02:52 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 14:07 Acrofales wrote:On August 17 2013 14:06 s0Lstice wrote:On August 17 2013 14:05 Acrofales wrote:On August 17 2013 14:01 Mocsta wrote:
Hhmmm why did xatalos relinquish? That is far from the most interesting question. WTF happened in Winterfell? SnB scum and some kinda coupe? what do you mean? We'll know soon enough. If Rayn, Mocsta and Grack instavote for someone, we're fucked. Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 14:15 Acrofales wrote:On August 17 2013 14:10 s0Lstice wrote:
we aren't at mylo are we?
because that is not a concern otherwise. Closed setup, so good luck defining whether we're at lylo or not. House Stark not having a leader seems like a scumplay. The lack of deaths seems like IF it was a power grab it only half-succeeded at best. I'm gonna park my vote. Plurality lynch, so better be paranoid as hell. ##vote Strongandbig Ok. These two quotes came before the ones I presented to you. So your thought process at the time of these quotes is that Sharrant is town and the check is valid and scum must be making a big play. Within that idea of a big play is that Mocsta, SnB, and Grack/Rayn are scum. How does this quote exist at the time that it happened then? Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 14:45 Acrofales wrote:
Also, I think I'm wrong on Rayn. Mocsta was incriminating him in PM and telling me to push his lynch while calling SnB town.
This game is too easy. Scum surrender pl0x? You can't be thinking that scum is making a big play (which requires a scum Rayn) and also thinking that Sharrant is town-->has a valid check-->Mocsta is scum-->Rayn is innocent because of attacks by Mocsta. Like these two thoughts cannot exist at the same time.
Well, for starters, I received the PM from Mocsta in which he pushed Rayn hard AFTER the first post.
Secondly, the red check happened, and it's very different to have suspicions on Mocsta and have a credible red check on Mocsta.
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On August 18 2013 03:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
##unvote
##vote acro
You're an idiot.
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Clarity took damage.
##vote Strongandbig
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@Dandel Ion: riddle me this. Why would I, as scum, come up with a plan that confirms Sharrant as town, when everybody was getting ready to lynch him?
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On August 18 2013 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 03:27 Acrofales wrote:
@Dandel Ion: riddle me this. Why would I, as scum, come up with a plan that confirms Sharrant as town, when everybody was getting ready to lynch him? why, for towncred obviously
Because I need more of that, when I am about the least likely person in the game to get lynched.
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On August 18 2013 03:36 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 03:33 Koshi wrote:
DI I VOTED YOU LORD. TELL ME SOMETHING!!!!!!!!! Or allow me going afk. and be sad. ask better questions then. "acro is full" "sharrant is almost dead" there, happy now?
That makes Sharrant town, which I already knew, and Acro town, but apparently not a priority for scum.
@Clarity: you didn't understand the play at all. Scum doesn't need 4/6 votes, they need 3/6 votes. SnB was going to be one of those votes.
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On August 18 2013 03:44 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 03:33 Acrofales wrote:On August 18 2013 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 18 2013 03:27 Acrofales wrote:
@Dandel Ion: riddle me this. Why would I, as scum, come up with a plan that confirms Sharrant as town, when everybody was getting ready to lynch him? why, for towncred obviously Because I need more of that, when I am about the least likely person in the game to get lynched. so why is scum not killing you then?
Ask THEM. Presumably they're too busy trying to kill cops and making big plays by shooting Clarity.
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On August 18 2013 03:47 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 03:46 Acrofales wrote:On August 18 2013 03:44 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 18 2013 03:33 Acrofales wrote:On August 18 2013 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 18 2013 03:27 Acrofales wrote:
@Dandel Ion: riddle me this. Why would I, as scum, come up with a plan that confirms Sharrant as town, when everybody was getting ready to lynch him? why, for towncred obviously Because I need more of that, when I am about the least likely person in the game to get lynched. so why is scum not killing you then? Ask THEM. Presumably they're too busy trying to kill cops and making big plays by shooting Clarity. or there's a simple answer. if you're town you should know it. but you'd rather ignore it, huh
Lol. You failed at logic there. Your simple answer is "I'm scum", but because I am actually town, I can clearly not know I'm scum, because I'm not. Herpaderpa.
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I'm outta here. Vote SnB. Ignore stupid people.
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I had a crazy night and am hungover as all hell. I haven't reconsidered yesterday's reads yet, and haven't caught up on the thread. I did see some of Risen's posts, and Sharrant is town. Assuming anything else is fucking stupid at this point. Like... DI and Sharrant being scum together is an insane conspiracy theory.
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Meh. I disagree with lynching Wup.
##vote Onegu
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