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On August 02 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote:On August 02 2013 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can someone who has a town read on FT explain to me why he is town? Other than "towwnslip dude". To me he looks town because he looks at everybody and challenges everybody. He attacked XRZ, HZ, Clarity, Vivax. Discusses JAT, Malongo and you. He makes a solid case on XRZ which is an unknown player and sticks to it for a long time. Read page 2 and 3 in his filter. It's all there. I don´t really know if attacking everybody is a town tell. It´s easy to promote a chaotic atmosphere by attacikng everybody. It´s also easy to look town early on in the game by that way, because you look like you are gaining information. I don´t think his case on XRZ was solid at all, as somebody else (Vivax if i remember correctly) pointed out too. Actually FT called XRZ out for same stuff he did himself a couple of posts later. If it did make XRZ scum why does he do that too?
Good question why he would do that as well as scum...
But I don't trust any of my reads here. I will live a couple more days, unless I get lynched lol, and then I will hopefully have a better look.
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The only thing I know atm is that XRZ is town. But tomorrow I will be without town reads I guess... We will see. It's night. no hurry.
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Ok I am on page 160 but I don't have time to read that and think about it at work atm. I will be back much later.
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rayn is there a chance that scum let you/xrz alive because it kinda looked like you were going to get lynched today? Vayne was saying that he figured out who the scums were. Maybe scum believed that and took vayne out? They didn't care about a Oats check because Oats is town/GF and just RB on XRZ from who they believed was cop?
I think the best way to handle this is to leave both rayn and XRZ alive. Just kill somebody else that you think is scum.
XRZ pulling that move to kill Malongo without cop claim is the only thing that makes him look scum to me atm.
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To answer both of you:
I am not considering lynching anybody.
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Ok, who remembers
1) how big the chance was we were going to lynch rayn
2) rayn was actually a cop
during night phase.
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Ok, who remembers how big the chance was:
1) we were going to lynch rayn
2) rayn was actually a cop
during night phase.
This is better formatting.
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Maybe scum didn't believe rayn was a cop anymore.
I am pretty sure that I didn't believe rayn was a cop and that XRZ was the real cop.
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On August 03 2013 04:39 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote:
Ok, who remembers how big the chance was:
1) we were going to lynch rayn
2) rayn was actually a cop
during night phase.
This is better formatting. Why? continue please.
Well maybe scum didn't believe that rayn was a cop (not too many of us did), so that means that they don't have to kill him with him being a prime lynchtarget. The small off-chance that he might be a cop he was going to go for Oats, something mafia allowed for x reason.
There are so many possibilities left in this game. I think that only a very few are confirmed town. I would say rayn/hz at this point?
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On August 03 2013 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can´t possibly be that dumb Koshi and FT if you are town, can you?
It looks like I am and this game I am not even offended.
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On August 03 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is why exarezee is mafia:
exarezee claims a cop 40 minutes before a deadline to ensure a lynch on Malongo. The guy has never played with anyone of us, and definitely has no balls to fakeclaim a cop to ensure a lynch on Malongo. Another possibility is that, given N2 vayne kill mafia believes vayne is a cop, which they can´t believe if exarezee is town. exarezee buys town credit
N2 mafia kills vayne. It makes no sense unless mafia thinks vayne is a power role, which they can´t think unless they know one of the cop claims is fake. My claim is definitely not fake, and mafia can´t think XRZ´s claim is fake because he got mafia lynched. There is no way mafia assumes vayne is a power role unless XRZ is mafia. There is no way vayne is killed unless XRZ is mafia.
After N2 exarezee retracts from his claim and claims roleblocked. This is to justify him living over me later on. He can´t possibly justify himself living if i die otherwise than being green instead of blue.
I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think.
First of all. I totally agree that the call on Malongo is 100% balls and can never be good for town unless he was 100% certain which he shouldn't be. That small chance that he was wrong XRZ should have known that he would be lynched next and the game is over.
I could think you weren't a cop. But yeah, a scumteam would not. So ok.
I am going to reread how this all happened. I remember XRZ actually accidentally saying you were the only cop? I don't remember when he claimed to be RB.
Ok. Agreed with that as well.
Fuck it. XRZ is probably scum... lol.
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On August 02 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok so for XRZ to be scum, means that scum has no RB and clarity is scum too.
I dont think that scum has no rb.
Therefore Rayn must be scum. And for some reason didnt kill xrz. Possibly to push his lynch.
Oats. I really am a cop. XRZ, Clarity, FT. look at what post Clarity calls me out for. :DDDDDD
Why is Clarity scum?
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On August 03 2013 05:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 02 2013 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok so for XRZ to be scum, means that scum has no RB and clarity is scum too.
I dont think that scum has no rb.
Therefore Rayn must be scum. And for some reason didnt kill xrz. Possibly to push his lynch.
Oats. I really am a cop. XRZ, Clarity, FT. look at what post Clarity calls me out for. :DDDDDD Why is Clarity scum?
Guys, why is Clarity scum in this trio? What post was it?
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XRZ his day 2 was horrible if he didn't have a red check on Malongo. He did nothing...
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I still don't understand everything fully.
1) XRZ is scum
2) Scumteam knows that rayn is telling the truth, why not roleblock rayn? if they want to kill Vayne
a) There is no roleblock and need to hide this. But why would clarity say that D2...
b) it cannot be knows that XRZ is not a real cop, as seen in rayns case, no sane townie would do such a move if not 100% certain malongo is scum. But if this is the case. Why not RB rayn still and then make XRZ give a fake red? Like a red on me? Everybody and their mothers would have believed this...
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I don't get it.
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1) RB on rayn
2) XRZ gives red check on me
3) Kill Vayne
= I get lynched 100% certain?
That and the fact that XRZ should never buss his own teammate if he is going to give up being cop so easily. arfffffffff
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atm it is 9 vs 3
If they lynch town
8 vs 3
night kill
7 vs 3
xrz lynch
7 vs 2
night kills
6 vs 2 with a lot of confirmed townies? hmm. Ok that isn't good for scum.
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On August 03 2013 05:53 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:46 Stutters695 wrote:
Rayn quick question for you now that everything is out there. Haven't you claimed a PR before as VT? If so what was your mindset in doing it and why isn't it something XRZ would consider. I'm a little concerned that he would fess up to fake claiming after just getting a scum lynch if he was scum since he's almost confirmed cop if he plays it out, spoon feeds town reads through checks knowingwho is town.
If it wasn't you who fake claimed disregard that part but can you reason with me on why this is a good play for scum XRZ to make? If Exar is town then it was not a good scum move, it was a desperate scum move. We need to figure out why before we can say that Exar is town. Malongo was a goon and the least active player. He would be worth trading for another scum but not necessarily worth the risk of trading him when it also puts Exar at risk. Therefore I see two scenarios of why scum-Exar would do it. Either: Cora is GF. Exar sacced Mal to save Cora, thinking that if Cora flipped GF then town might deduce that their is no roleblocker and therefore Clarity would end up lynched (so this one assumes that Clarity is scum). Or: FT is Roleblocker. Exar sacced Mal to save FT knowing that if FT flipped RBer then Clarity would be confirmed town and that would leave scum in a situation where we had 1 confirmed town, 1 confirmed cop and 1 confirmed Vet.
Ok this is probably the truth. As in almost 100% certain.
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hzflank I think that in your example Cora is the scum. His behavior during the FT lynch is not normal, so maybe he knew that FT was green and was already setting himself up for a rayn lynch after in lylo. XRZ also said he played a lot of speedgames so he is capable to make fast decisions.
So my scumteam would be XRZ, Cora, Clarity/JAT
JAT could also be a scum. There is a lot of defense coming from JAT towards XRZ. JAT also said he could phone XRZ if I am not mistaken? XRZ defended JAT before (he once said we should lynch Malongo before JAT, really early in day 2, and without a cop check)
Is it really impossible that scum has RB/godfather as their 2 powerroles? It looks like they don't have a janitor. How many roles do scum normally have in these games?
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On August 03 2013 06:13 Stutters695 wrote:
Hz: why does XRZ give up on the charade? He can ride that for town for days at the expense of sacrificing their RB to keep him "perma-blocked". The only way that plan falls flat is if Clarity flips scum and gives away that they don't have an RB. Saying he faked the check puts himself into major shit and if he flips scum it practically guarantees he bussed Mal to save Cora or FT(probably Cora) and scum is losing three members in four days. It doesn't make sense.
Yeah... This is true as well.
Jeezus what a game...
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