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Maybe if you keep saying the exact same thing 50 times you'll convince people.
On August 03 2013 00:54 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 00:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 00:37 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On August 03 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay guys, read this very carefully.
Put yourself into scum position. There are 3 PR claims. 2 cop and 1 vet. If all of us are town, mafia needs to assume all the claims are true. My intentions for claiming were very clear. hz´s intentions were very clear. XRZ got scum lynched. Now comes N2. Mafia can deal with both of the cops by roleblocking the other one and killing the other one. There is no possibility of 4 town roles, anyone who says so is fucking stupid. Mafia can´t possibly assume vayne is a power role unless they know XRZ is not a real cop. Mafia cannot know XRZ is not a real cop unless he is mafia. Killing vayne over 2 claimed cops is beyond retarded and the only possible explanation for that is that i look worse than XRZ, mafia knows XRZ is not a cop and they do think vayne is in fact cop/doc.
This all means XRZ has to be mafia. He just has to be, there is no other explanation. You realize that scum kills for reasons other than bluehunting... So your theory is null. Explain why mafia killed vayne, the dude noone listened to, over 2 cops. Explain why mafia killed vayne over ONE cop. So mafia does not believe i am a cop when i claim a green check on a guy who is town. Makes sense? Okay, let's look at it this way. xrz is scum. WHY DO THEY KILL VAYNE, ITS THE EXACT SAME QUESTION. Saying that vayne dying means xrz is scum is nonsensical If XRZ is scum then killing Vayne was a good move. The bad move was XRZ un-claiming cop if he is scum.
I agree with this.
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On August 03 2013 00:56 hzflank wrote:
Clarity, When Vayne fake claimed Cop, why did Rayn act as he did? He did not for a question whether or not Vayne was scum. Rayn had solid town on Vayne. Either Rayn was scum or Rayn had a green check on Vayne.
A lot of people didn't question if he was scum. You have a point, but you can't work under the assumption that scum picked up on this.
I'm not denying the possibility but the way rayn has been doing this all game, spamming the same thing over and over because he's so certain, but I don't see how it's a certainty.
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Is it so unreasonable that scum thought rayn was full of crap and vayne was cop, to the point that we should rule out the possibility altogether?
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On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die.
Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you.
I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility.
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On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks?
I've answered this a thousand times. They might have thought vayne was cop and you were town.
On August 03 2013 01:05 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. I agree. However, if XRZ knew he was not cop then why did he not call me town? he said Rayn was town and I was possible scum. This makes so sense for either alignment.
Does xrz being a vt make it more likely that he calls you town, as opposed to when he's cop?
Like, you're right it makes no sense, but it doesn't make him scum.
There is some stuff that makes him scum, and there is some stuff that makes him town.
But rayn saying it's over and done with and he's figured it out is detrimental to town.
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On August 03 2013 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)? BECAUSE YOU CAN´T JUSTIFY YOU LIVING AND ME DYING!!!
Yes he can, he just claims to be roleblocked and kills you.
On August 03 2013 01:09 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)? And this leads us to: Either XRZ is scum or scum do not have a roleblocker. But XRZ claimed that he was roleblocked.
Walk me through how you got to this conclusion please. Like, why for example can't xrz be scum and FT be a roleblocker.
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On August 03 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things:
1) him not dying the next night
2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. Because it´s the only scenario where mafia can assume vayne is a power role. How many times i have to say that? There is no way mafia assumes there are 4 power roles. And because i look worse than XRZ, there is no real justification in killing me and roleblocking him. It has to go the other way around.
This makes sense kinda, but I'm not willing to say that if xrz is scum, scum's only choice is to not kill you.
We'll gain more information about this next nightcycle though.
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On August 03 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think.
I will concede a bit, the points you and hz combined bring up make sense.
rayn, really, tone it down though. It's hard to take you seriously when you refuse to discuss something and just say the same exact thing 20 times over two pages.
I however do not agree that if xrz flips a red non roleblocker that I am scum, obviously.
I think what does happen though, if xrz flips red, is that one of FT or Cora have to be scum. FT being much more likely.
##Vote Exarezee
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Here's to hoping he flips scum roleblocker to basically guarantee a win.
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On August 03 2013 01:40 hzflank wrote:
To add to that, the night actions only make sense for Exar-Town if Rayn is scum. But if Rayn is scum then we have no cop. If we have no cop then scum have no roleblocker. If scum have no roleblocker then Exar cannot of been roleblocked.
Stop dividing by zero please.
But yes if somehow rayn was scum and CJS or stutters was cop we'd have heard about it by now.
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See rayn, that's all you had to do. Stop foaming at the mouth and explain.
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I find that hard to believe Cora since even if Vayne was right he was not actively pushing his reads.
Surely a cop would have been a more obvious target?
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On August 03 2013 01:59 exarezee wrote:
You know rayn has no case against me if there is a roleblock. You know there is a roleblock. So....your logical conclusion is that I as scum had a roleblock but chose not to use it on rayn for what reason?
It still makes sense with a roleblock, scum just withholds it.
This also means that if xrz flips scum, oats is town.
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On August 03 2013 02:11 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 02:06 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 01:59 exarezee wrote:
You know rayn has no case against me if there is a roleblock. You know there is a roleblock. So....your logical conclusion is that I as scum had a roleblock but chose not to use it on rayn for what reason? You cannot justify me being roleblocked and vayne being killed and no action on you. I sure can. I can claim you're scum pretty easily if i wanted to on day 3. Yeah but you can´t unless you wanna get lynched after me. Now you are gonna get lynched and i live for another night. :D I don't mind you thinking I am scum. I mind your cocky ass attitude that can't allow for any other options. Looks like there is no use in me posting anything as nobody is willing to listen to logic. Hope you feel like shit after my flip.
How very townie of you.
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"I'd rather we take a mislynch today than not lynch malongo" equals "I am 100% certain malongo is scum and will risk the entire game on it"?
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On August 03 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Same question to Clarity.
Please just post once instead of thrice.
Yes.
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On August 03 2013 02:43 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:40 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 02:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
"I'd rather we take a mislynch today than not lynch malongo" equals "I am 100% certain malongo is scum and will risk the entire game on it"? worth the risk imo. town has little to no chance of winning if malongo were town. there would be the same suspicion and case on him every single day, the rest of the game. And you have one less townperson in your voting pool. No town person who was actually trying to win the game would think it worth the risk. I was trying hard to win on D2 and I did not think we lose if we mislynched on FT. You had no right to potentially throw the entire game away for me and every other town player with a fake guilty check. I am not moving my vote today.
This is a bit extreme hz. Not a logical argument like I've come to expect from you this game.
You genuinely seem upset at the thought of a townie doing this, to the point that you ignore the possibility altogether.
Myself, I am having doubts.
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On August 03 2013 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:20 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 02:43 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 02:40 exarezee wrote:On August 03 2013 02:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
"I'd rather we take a mislynch today than not lynch malongo" equals "I am 100% certain malongo is scum and will risk the entire game on it"? worth the risk imo. town has little to no chance of winning if malongo were town. there would be the same suspicion and case on him every single day, the rest of the game. And you have one less townperson in your voting pool. No town person who was actually trying to win the game would think it worth the risk. I was trying hard to win on D2 and I did not think we lose if we mislynched on FT. You had no right to potentially throw the entire game away for me and every other town player with a fake guilty check. I am not moving my vote today. This is a bit extreme hz. Not a logical argument like I've come to expect from you this game. You genuinely seem upset at the thought of a townie doing this, to the point that you ignore the possibility altogether. Myself, I am having doubts. It is not extreme at all. If XRZ is telling the truth and Malongo flipped green we would have instantly lost the game because we would have lynched XRZ the following day under any circumstances. You don´t do that kind of shit as town.
I mean, there's a lot of shit you shouldn't do as town, but they do it all the time.
Vayne's day 1 comes to mind.
I agree it's dumb as fuck but it doesn't make it scum on its own.
He's likely scum though. I'll be back later
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hz I think you need to read them seperately.
1. I feel good about clarity being town now that I got roleblocked
2. I had narrowed down my choices to JAT, Oats or Stutters
If you're trying to connect the two then you have to assume I would have been a good check, which I don't think I am.
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On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything! Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall! They will concede before you are lynched.
hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum.
Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those?
At the very least can we lynch two scum before me?
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