EPTA Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack"
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Quick question first: I haven't played w/ hydras or anything similiar before so I just want to make sure I understand how they work. Is it basically just an account w/ 2 players? Are they able to communicate privately w/ each other? Is there any more to it? | ||
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On July 21 2013 13:53 getmoript wrote: What are you implying here? And I'll assume from the lack of answers to my questions, there isn't anything more to a hydra than what I posted.Convenient. | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:42 getmoript wrote: I'm stating that your entry into the thread is convenient considering you're getting called out for lurking and being generally useless. Do you care to hear what I've been doing IRL? I doubt it. My name was first mentioned a while ago. If I waited untill people started voting for me, you would have said the same thing. My entry into the thread isn't suspicious dude. On July 21 2013 14:50 getmoript wrote: Also, why do you care about hydras? Why is it important in the least? I was asking because I wanted to know. I literally had no idea how they worked untill this game. You're really jumping on me for nonsense. Who is scum JJD? stay tuned | ||
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Then he makes his "scum points" post, which I thought was mostly a joke @ first. But he defended it and said he wants to vote based off of it. Like the only thing even remotely scummy here is getmoript saying he doesn't want to interact w/ marv and only barely. On July 21 2013 08:00 FirmTofu wrote: Fluff=bad You get scum points, sir. Why can't both hydras be town? You get scum points, sir. Why would you want to glean information from only one half of the hydra? Why are you asking for less information to work with? You get scum points, sir. You claimed scum. You get scum points, sir. You think Austin is town but you don't explain what makes you think that why. Why say it at all? You get scum points, sir. @ least 2 or 3 out of his 5 points are obviously not serious posts that he jumps on. Need to sleep now. I'll have more to say tomorrow. | ||
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On July 21 2013 15:16 getmoript wrote: You said "convenient" literally one minute after my first post. I specifically said that I was catching up on the thread. How could you have determined that I wasn't trying to move the thread forward @ that point?Why not? You pop up to say hi. You read the thread. You make some random comments. You aren't trying to move the thread forwards after being gone for the first 24 hours. How isn't that convenient. Why would it even matter how they worked? As town, the normal response after reading the thread would be "Cool we get 2 players for the price of one." For town, it wouldn't matter how they worked because they still only have the 1 vote. For town it wouldn't matter if they could or couldn't communicate out of the thread because, in the least, they could communicate in the thread and explain their reads better and more fully as well as bounce ideas off of each other. If they were scum, then any sort of out of thread communication wouldn't matter. So the only way your question makes any sense is if you need to be able to figure out how to respond to hydras because you're scum. If hydras are supposed to be helpfull to town then I'm not really seeing it. I can see it totally getting in the way of reads. I really can't understand @ all how you could possibly say that me wanting to understand how a game element functions is scummy. | ||
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Anything/anyone specific people think I should really check out. | ||
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I really don't like getmoript. He jumps all over me for things that aren't scummy @ all. Then when I call him out on it he ignores it and then eventually says "All that pressure was to get a reaction from him". I guess I can be the one to say "convenient" now. And now he's saying he has a town read on me based on meta. I'd actually like a bit of an explaination there because I think he's calling me town because he knows I'm town. I already pointed how how terrible Tofus scumpoints post was. And like look @ how he's always calling people out about getting angry and defensive. On July 21 2013 08:04 FirmTofu wrote: I have 3 posts in the entire thread. Someone's angry about something. On July 21 2013 11:46 FirmTofu wrote: You sound angry. Would you be against the vigilante shooting unproductive members of town such as lurkers? Or would you want the vigilante not to shoot at all? On July 22 2013 05:50 FirmTofu wrote: This post is extremely defensive, unnaturally so. JJD could have just brushed off this accusations lightly, but it seems like he's responding a bit strongly. Literally nothing he has called anybody out on this whole game has been scummy. Reread his filter and tell me he's made an actual case on anyone. Anyway I'd be happy w/ a lynch on either of these guys. I doubt I'll get a lynch on getmoript but maybe enough people will reread tofu. ##vote FirmTofu | ||
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Sleeping now. see y'all tomorrow | ||
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On July 22 2013 16:36 FiveTouch wrote: You're retarded if you really think I'm scum. On July 22 2013 16:38 FiveTouch wrote: How can you seriously make these posts literally 2 minutes apart?I'm too stupid. You're pissed off because people suspect you in a mafia game, calling them morons, NOT saying anything constructive yourself, ragequitting...and I'M stupid. I thought you already made your last post Doc? | ||
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On July 22 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote: WTF dude? What could we possibly talk about that doesn't involve reading previous pages?I would love to talk about something if it didnt involving looking at other pages. | ||
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On July 22 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt read firmtofu's reasons. I dont have reasons I can explain yet JJD. Have you not been reading the thread? Yes, what you've said is that you don't want to reread stuff and look for those reasons. I'm asking why you can't do that. And I'd think that you'd have some idea of why you you think someone is scum w/o needing to go back and reread. | ||
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On July 22 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote: That's what he's saying. Take meta out of it and it's just plain scummyYou cant remember a single instance when I did this as scum either. | ||
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On July 23 2013 02:35 Oatsmaster wrote: So u can say "I dont see why in the world I would play like this as scum." while simultaneously hurting the town? Or is that too complex of an answer?I dont see why in the world I would play like this as scum. There are so many scummy/lurkey dudes to make a case on. Think with your brains guys. Why would scum Oats do this? | ||
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On July 22 2013 13:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: Literally nothing he has called anybody out on this whole game has been scummy. Reread his filter and tell me he's made an actual case on anyone. Original cases here:+ Show Spoiler + On July 21 2013 15:20 JarJarDrinks wrote: Tofu is who I'm most suspicious of right now. His first post sounds like he was just trying to say the towniest thing he could think of. Then he makes his "scum points" post, which I thought was mostly a joke @ first. But he defended it and said he wants to vote based off of it. Like the only thing even remotely scummy here is getmoript saying he doesn't want to interact w/ marv and only barely. @ least 2 or 3 out of his 5 points are obviously not serious posts that he jumps on. Need to sleep now. I'll have more to say tomorrow. On July 22 2013 13:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, tofu is still really scummy to me. but first: I really don't like getmoript. He jumps all over me for things that aren't scummy @ all. Then when I call him out on it he ignores it and then eventually says "All that pressure was to get a reaction from him". I guess I can be the one to say "convenient" now. And now he's saying he has a town read on me based on meta. I'd actually like a bit of an explaination there because I think he's calling me town because he knows I'm town. I already pointed how how terrible Tofus scumpoints post was. And like look @ how he's always calling people out about getting angry and defensive. Literally nothing he has called anybody out on this whole game has been scummy. Reread his filter and tell me he's made an actual case on anyone. Anyway I'd be happy w/ a lynch on either of these guys. I doubt I'll get a lynch on getmoript but maybe enough people will reread tofu. ##vote FirmTofu | ||
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On July 23 2013 05:52 getmoript wrote: Lol well I think ur scummy also so that's not gonna sway me.Why is that Scummy JJD? I've called lots of people out for bullshit reasons this game. Sometimes you're just looking for reactions. On July 23 2013 05:54 getmoript wrote: Nothing's really happened since then so yeah it is prtty much the same case. But no one really acknowledged it @ the time so I figured I'd put it out there again. Especially since no one is really talking about much else.Really and truely JJD, I'm far more interested by the fact that you haven't updated the read to include anything from last night/today in it. Just "read my old post... lmk what you think guys." | ||
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On July 23 2013 06:08 FiveTouch wrote: You can say that about almost anything scummy people do. If that was the case, wouldn't he have said so when questioned about it? He totally defended the points he made:Don't ignore me JJD. You won't like me when I'm ignored. -VE On July 21 2013 08:04 FirmTofu wrote: Trying to decide who to place my vote on. I'm not sure if I should vote you or rayn. Help me decide maybe? On July 21 2013 08:07 FirmTofu wrote: Well, to me, it looks like I'm trying to find scum. Care to address my points instead of calling it bullshit suspicion? Thanks, bud. And getmoript, why did you question him about the posts if you dont think they're scummy? | ||
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On July 23 2013 06:19 getmoript wrote: Why don't you come out and say what you're trying to say instead making cryptic/condescending remarks that can't possibly be helpfull?You really haven't been reading have you jjd @jkirby - leaning scum on oats. Leaving work. Will be around in a few hours. | ||
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On July 23 2013 22:04 FiveTouch wrote: You don't see why they would roleblock a vigilante who can shoot mafia? My head is exploding right now. He means he doesn't see why a town RBer would block him. But I don't get why he'd assume no scum RBer. | ||
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On July 23 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Oats, was this meant to be serious?5touch scum. Thanks man. | ||
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On July 23 2013 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I just was hoping to get your reason before you forgot it.If it was serious then Oats is BLAHBLAH BLAH If it was a joke then Oats is BLAHBLAHBLAH. Then I take the one that makes me look townier. And they both make you look like shit. You start the game beating the rayn is scum drum. Refusing to answer, saying that you didn't feel like reading filters, etc... Then late in the day, you decide to make a case. Why couldn't you do that earlier instead of wasting everyones time? I think you made the case for the WIFOM. I just can't think of any other good reason for refusing to give us your rayn read and then finally deciding to out of the blue. And the first thing you say after the flip: "5touch scum" again with no reason given. ##Vote: Oats | ||
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On July 23 2013 23:05 Oatsmaster wrote: You weren't awake when you were posting all throughout the day?Yeah out of the blue = when I wake up. Good Case JJD. Lotta assumptions. | ||
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On July 24 2013 01:43 FiveTouch wrote: Am I supposed to respond to this? You'd support a JJD lynch but u haven't looked @ my filter yet??? Do you think I'm scum?I haven't looked at his filter yet, but I'd tentatively support a JJD lynch too...I don't know, have to read some filters. | ||
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On July 24 2013 02:35 cDgCorazon wrote: Pretty sure it's implied in my post that I want to know why he thinks I'm scum. Way to overreact. You're just sitting there and playing the victim instead of asking 5T why he thinks you are scum. 5T didn't say he wanted to lynch you 100%, he was just suspicious of you and he wanted to look at your filter more before making a decision on you. He says he'd support a lynch of me and writes my name in red even though he didn't read my filter. Why even post that? We were all over oats for basically the same thing. He has to have a reason for thinking I'm scum. Why not post whatever it is? | ||
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On July 24 2013 02:50 cDgCorazon wrote: Cause he wants to make sure he is right about his suspicions before he goes off and says something against you. On July 22 2013 23:45 FiveTouch wrote: Yeah, this is what reeks to me. Townies don't just forget what suddenly made them convinced someone was mafia. Note what I posted that 5T bolded. | ||
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On July 24 2013 03:54 TanGeng wrote: I've already asked for this. No they don't care to share.Btw, which one of you has the meta town read on JJD? Care to share? | ||
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And I don't think it's alignment indicative. It just means whoever the roleblocker is felt like he was possibly scum. | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:46 TanGeng wrote: No it hasn't changed (and how could it? he's barely posted since then). I think Oats is @ least as scummy though. And an Oats lynch is more likely to happen.@ JJD Are you still around? Now that you're on Oatsmaster, what happened to your stance on FirmTofu? Has your read changed at all? | ||
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##vote TAA Part of me thinks this a way for getmoript to save oats but I'll trade 1 for 2. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote: Dude we have a redcheck. As much as I haven't been crazy about getmoript, it's unlikely he's lying here unless he really wanted to go all in to save oats. In which case: bamn, 2 scum caught. Add to that cora's wierd counter and I think it's crazy that you'd suggest lynching from outside of that circle.That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum. | ||
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On July 24 2013 09:37 Oatsmaster wrote: So? he's probably bluehunting, hoping for the counter.man.... It makes no sense for scum to RB TG because he already claimed VT and somehow didnt get lynched. | ||
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On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote: Actually, that's exactly what it seems like.Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote: That last line. Explain what you meant by potential blues? Considering TAA had yet to claim @ that point. Is there some reason you knew that TAA was potentially blue?I'm not going to make a quoted point-by-point post about cDg because my scumread is not as strong as the other two. His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information. While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA. I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles. That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum. | ||
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On July 24 2013 13:34 FirmTofu wrote: What implicates him is the redcheck itself. Like I've had getmoript in my scum column most of the game. But once the cop claim happens, that's it. There's like no good reason scum fakes that (unless like I said getmoript and oats are both scum which is super unlikely).Thus, we can conclude that TAA's post is bad, but not 100% alignment indicative. It's bad play, sure, but I don't think you can say that it implicates him beyond reasonable doubt. On July 24 2013 13:17 FirmTofu wrote: No, I didn't know TAA was potentially blue. TAA was null-scum at that time, but not in my top 3 scumreads(Close, but not quite there). When he claimed blue, specifically roleblocker, I knew he had to be axed. You said "we should hold of on lynching potential blues" when trying to talk people out of voting TAA even though we had no reason to think he was blue @ the time. Tell me how this isn't a slip. | ||
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I say scumslip. | ||
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On July 24 2013 14:12 getmoript wrote: It's not something I wouild lynch based on solely. But I've thought he was scum for a while for reasons already stated. Add to that his reaction to your claim and I think you can easily put him in the red column whether that was a slip or not.When I read it initially after your comment on it, I thought he was talking about Corazan. I was rather surprised by his first response to your questions. I can see it from both sides and it's possible it is a slip, but I don't think it's as damning as you make it out to be. | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:23 cDgCorazon wrote: Well you guys have been talking about lynching Oats all game, how come you haven't done it yet? Seriously, the reason that we are in this situation is because everyone talks so much about who they are going to vote for, yet they don't do it. I'm not going to hipster vote because it's majority lynch. I'm down with lynching TAA now, and then Oats later. Unless someone wants to reverse that order. On July 24 2013 22:27 cDgCorazon wrote: So we are voting TAA, thats what it looks like. And even if so, what are we going to do for the next 18 or so hours? Twiddle our thumbs? Yeah, I don't think I read Oats as too scummy anymore. And like it doesn't even matter if I did think he was scummy. TAA has to be the lynch today. It sucks that our decision is already made, but we can still talk about other stuff. Especially since we have a vig that can take a shot tonight (and probably should since he's likely dead either way). | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:40 FiveTouch wrote: I dont think scum has a roleblocker. Got pretty high hopes for TAA actually being the scum roleblocker and our vigi shot going through ^_^ | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:42 FiveTouch wrote: I thought we pretty much established that scum blocking TG made no sense and had to be town. The fact that there was only one roleblock (unless someone hasn't spoke up) makes it very unlikely that there's a scum roleblocker.I think scum are very likely to have a roleblocker. | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:45 Onegu wrote: Blocked by town. I have very little doubt that's what happened.So you think tangang was lieing or blocked by town? | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:48 FiveTouch wrote: Lol, do u think I'd make it so obvious that I knew that town blocked TG? It's just the only thing that logically makes sense.Jarjar, are you the town roleblocker? | ||
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On July 24 2013 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote: So whoever he's blocked has kept it to himself?FT is the town RB. | ||
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On July 25 2013 08:34 FiveTouch wrote: Either is rain on your wedding day. Or anything else about the song. Except the title.That's not even ironic >.> Next kill should be Tofu IMO. Dude had some of the worst posts of the thread yesterday, including what I'm pretty sure was a scumslip. And he was pretty scummy before that. Not sure why he isn't @ the top of peoples lists. | ||
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On July 25 2013 15:12 getmoript wrote: I would think you'd have expected this regardless. Kill U , RB the vig makes sense. Doesn't matter now I guess. Maybe we have a medic.Guess that means we might be dead tonight, eh other head? On July 25 2013 15:40 getmoript wrote: No real point in arguing this since you're confirmed town now but I don't think anyone would have labled you the "towniest motherfuckers" before your claim.We'd better sign our shit or this is going to get confusing. Are you thinking newbie/afk scumteam? JJD: I'm really bad at reading him. And that's even considering I've played scum with him. Posts like this: Like....so unbelievably ridiculous. Too ridiculous to be scum in my opinion. I'm pretty sure scum would be a little more wary of attacking us when we were the towniest motherfuckers in thread all game. On July 25 2013 15:44 getmoript wrote: yeah, that's just completely untruelol JJD has attacked like everybody throughout the game | ||
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On July 25 2013 17:41 FiveTouch wrote: Still wrapping my head around it. I guess best explaination is TG is town and mafia is retarded.No scum roleblocker eh JJD? | ||
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On July 25 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: Though I guess I'm in the minority here. I don't like a TG shot. Gonna reread cora and jkirby.Tofu | ||
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On July 25 2013 21:52 Onegu wrote: pretty sure this is my first game w/ him.Ive played 3 games with tofu and all of them were town though, have you played with him as scum? | ||
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On July 25 2013 22:29 FiveTouch wrote: I think he freaked out about the redcheck and didn't really think through just how inevitable the lynch was. And as has been stated: He originally said "Let's not lynch potential blues" even though TAA wasn't a potential blue yet. Then as soon as TAA becomes a potential blue, he's like "OMG scumz". By then he probably realized there was no saving him.Well, there we go then. There exists the possibility that Firm is playing a really really stupid mafia game and defended a scummy redcheck when the rest of the town wanted to lynch him, but I wouldn't bet on it, would you? | ||
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On July 25 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote: Freak out might not be the best term. But I think he totally went into "gotta save my scumbuddy" mode.There's no evidence that Firm freaked out about anything. Here's FirmTofus first post acknowledging the redclaim On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote: - He makes sure to make the point about not being able to trust a cop claim because of sanity.Wait, so let me get this straight. getmoript and Corazon are both claiming cop? Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles? How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity? I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him. Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist. My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA. TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction. I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts. - He then says we shouldn't lynch based only on the claim, we should only lynch if we think TAA is scummy also. - He then lists his scumreads and TAA is one of them So doesn't that mean we should lynch TAA? He's obviously scummy since he's one of his scumreads and we have getmoript's claim to back it up. On July 25 2013 23:07 TanGeng wrote: Notice who he said his scumreads were in the post above. You really think he was talking about someone else when he wrote this?I'm still convinced that Tofu was talking about Corazon when mentioning blues. On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote: That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum. | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:48 TanGeng wrote: Oh I missed this.I think TAA was supposed to be Corazon... Tofu corrects it later. Because Getmoript jumped on Tofu immediately for that. See if you can follow the thread and find it. | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:59 FiveTouch wrote: I thought I answered. Because TAA was the person that was surely gonna get lynched so I jumed to that conclusion. He bolded that part so I kinda felt that it was supposed to be a point that stands on his own. Look @ how he words it. He says "We" should hold of on lynching potential blues. It's just the way I read it.I wasn't making a point, I was asking you a question I'd like answered | ||
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On July 26 2013 00:10 FiveTouch wrote: NP. Ok. Apologies if I came off over-aggressive about it, just seemed so weird to me. OK, so now the real suspicious thing is the fact that TAA actually WASN'T on his scumlist. Like the redcheck and TAAs initial response wasn't enough to convince him but claiming town roleblocker was? And yeah the claim was pretty terrible, but not more terrible than "claiming detective is cheating" | ||
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On July 26 2013 00:44 getmoript wrote: @Onegu Will you please shoot JJD? Meta says scum WTF? I thought you were the one who originally said I was town based on my meta? Please explain. | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote: I don't get it. His suggested shots are bad IMO. And I think he threw my name in there because I'm the hot topic at the moment.Whoever wanted to shoot THIS guy needs....to be shot? I think TG is a terrible shot now that we know scum had a RBer. And Jkirby doesn't seem like a great shot to me either TBH. @ least not compared to cDg who is who would probably be my guess for last scum. The only thing that makes me hesitant about cDg is how he's practically daring Onegu to shoot him. On July 25 2013 22:59 cDgCorazon wrote: That just seems so ballsy for scum to say. Gonna look @ cDg some more.First of all, people are calling for my lynch or vigi shot. Don't waste your breath. It's not going to happen. There are people who have played way scummier than me and you all know that. Are you really going to lynch me and turn a blind eye to TG, jrkirby, and Oats? You guys know that it's bad town play to do that. Don't waste anything on me. | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: I don't get it. His suggested shots are bad IMO. And I think he threw my name in there because I'm the hot topic at the moment. I think TG is a terrible shot now that we know scum had a RBer. And Jkirby doesn't seem like a great shot to me either TBH. @ least not compared to cDg who is who would probably be my guess for last scum. The only thing that makes me hesitant about cDg is how he's practically daring Onegu to shoot him.That just seems so ballsy for scum to say. Gonna look @ cDg some more. | ||
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On July 26 2013 04:53 FiveTouch wrote: I didn't forget. Getmoript is saying now that the roleblocker is dead, he's probably gonna get killed tonight. I was pointing out that he was probabaly gonna get killed regardless of what role TAA had because there was no way the roleblocker would have targetted him since he would have targetted the vig.In context, this is JJD saying he doesn't believe scum has a roleblocker. He argues further that it doesn't make sense for scum to RB TG and that the RB was town aligned, right? In context, Getmoript was musing about his getting a scum lynched. And JJD's reaction is...to forget that we just lynched a scum roleblocker and posit that the scumteam will RB the vig and kill Getmoript? | ||
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On July 26 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote: Town isn't gonna be suspicious of a cop that caught scum. And how would scum know exactly who the vig is gonna target? Like if there's evan a small chance he's gonna shoot @ scum, he's getting roleblocked.But that doesn't even make sense why would the RBer target the vig unless he was targeting scum? Town aligned vigs are just as if not MORE likely to hit townies than scum, that's a completely bogus line of reasoning. In fact, it makes MORE sense to RB the cop to make town suspicious of him. | ||
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On July 26 2013 06:12 getmoript wrote: However, the only reason for us to be dead regardless of the flip is if JJD 100% knew the exact flip already. I didn't mean regardless of whether he flips town or scum. I meant regardless of him being roleblocker or not. When you said "Guess that means we might be dead tonight" I just assumed that u meant: now that you know there's no scum roleblocker. It didn't occur to me that you meant: now that we know he's scum, because you already had a red check. On July 26 2013 06:12 getmoript wrote: This is the first time JJD brings up TAA at all. I'd talked about TAA a good amount; Austin had (but austin didn't think he was scummy). Tofu had. 5T had. Now JJD had a scum read on me for a while, but if that's the case then he should be trying to show how I'm making 'scum cases.' But at no point is he actively pushing for me; he's not trying to break me down and actually show why I'm scum. At no point is he actually engaging people to talk about the read on me or trying to talk to any other active player to convince them OR confirm his read. He's also actively ignored posts from multiple people talking about my scum meta (which is shall we say drastically different). Most importantly, his reads really haven't moved at all. His reads come off as static to me (which tends to be a scum tell) for me. He's not looking for confirmation bias at all. That's a really big indicator for me. I have no defense for the TAA thing. I honestly never thought TAA was scummy @ all untill after the redcheck. And I said originally why I thought you were scummy. I asked a few times for you to explain why you had a town meta read on me which you didn't answer. But you're right, I never really pursued it much further. I didn't think I really had a chance of getting people to believe you were scum because nobody really seemed suspicious of you at all. So I focused on my other reads @ the time. | ||
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On July 26 2013 07:09 getmoript wrote: @Onegu. Please dear god shoot JJD tonight. Dude you're so frustrating. What about my last post didnt u like? You really don't believe that interpreted your comment the way I did? Like I get that ur riding all high because you caught scum. But you're wrong right now about me. All game you've basically ignored everything I've said to you and it's so annoying. I get comments like On July 23 2013 06:19 getmoript wrote: You really haven't been reading have you jjd On July 24 2013 05:04 getmoript wrote: I already told you. If you had bothered to read my filter then you would understand how and why I have a meta read on you. Communicate with me. You've given very few reasons here and I think explained my self pretty well for what you've said. Like I already said, the only thing I don't really have a good explaination for is TAA. Yes, he slipped my notice. But that doesn't make me scum. | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:52 getmoript wrote: lulzLook Jarad. I know you haven't been reading my filter. Here's why: | ||
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On July 26 2013 15:27 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah so apparently I'm an alignment cop. And TG returned green. I wonder what the chances are of having 2 sane cops and a vig... On July 24 2013 06:22 cDgCorazon wrote: ?????I'm pretty sure I'm sane. I checked myself to check for sanity and it said I came back a "detective" so I'm guessing I must be sane. | ||
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On July 26 2013 21:49 FiveTouch wrote: But his check was on TG who's already claimed VT. Unless they're worried about future checks I guess. But that wouldn't really make sense either since as rolecop we're all gonna be suspicious anyway just because he'd be alive.The main (only?) scum motivation is if it was an enormous fuck up. Claimed rolecop -> isn't rolecop -> has to change story because he can't tell anyone else's role. That's kinda stretching the boundaries of believability I guess. | ||
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On July 26 2013 22:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: But his check was on TG who's already claimed VT. Unless they're worried about future checks I guess. But that wouldn't really make sense either since as rolecop we're all gonna be suspicious anyway just because he'd be alive. EBWOP *as alignment cop | ||
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On July 27 2013 00:00 TanGeng wrote: Oh I'm still all about lynching Tofu. I just wanted to clear up this whole corazon role thing first.@JarJarDrinks How do you feel about my FirmTofu case? | ||
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On July 21 2013 15:20 JarJarDrinks wrote: Tofu is who I'm most suspicious of right now. His first post sounds like he was just trying to say the towniest thing he could think of. Then he makes his "scum points" post, which I thought was mostly a joke @ first. But he defended it and said he wants to vote based off of it. Like the only thing even remotely scummy here is getmoript saying he doesn't want to interact w/ marv and only barely. @ least 2 or 3 out of his 5 points are obviously not serious posts that he jumps on. Need to sleep now. I'll have more to say tomorrow. I wasn't the only person to point out how bad these were. And that was my case BEFORE any flips. Now when you look @ that list, we can see that he was giving those scumpoints to 2 townies and TG who is pretty close to confirmed I think. Calling out townies isn't necessarily scummy. Calling them out for extremely thin reasoning is. He then vote's oats for an even worse reason On July 22 2013 06:23 FirmTofu wrote: Voting Oats for now because all he's typing is "lol", "don't lynch me", "nooooo" ##Vote: Oatsmaster and when getmo confronts him about it he says he was just picking randomly from his lurker list On July 22 2013 06:56 FirmTofu wrote: Of course anyone could have made those lists from any alignment! That's not the point at all. People asked for who I'd like to lynch and this is my answer. I have already justified why, so now it is your job to convince me otherwise. I picked Oats pretty much randomly. I could have easily picked any of the other lurkers. Do you want to lynch any of the other people on the list? If so, who and why? Convince me. Then there's everything TG pointed out about his interactions w/ TAA. And just the fact that he was actually trying to convince us not to vote TAA is just shady beyond belief. I know people will say "why would he defend a scumbuddy that is auto-headed to the noose?". I think he was desperate to save him because he was the roleblocker. Vig claimed so scum was probably happy cause they can nuetralize him. Getmoreipt then announces he redchecked TAA. Scum gets scared cause they're gonna lose their weapon against the vig. Plus it's gonna make TG look alot better cause we're gonna come to the conclusion that he was blocked by scum and tofu had been pushing him all game. So tofu tried to see if he could derail the lynch. He couldn't so he hopped on the wagon citing the bad roleclaim. | ||
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If u 2 guys are telling truths. then there's a fullproof way to see if cora is legit. Submit your own name tonight. According to cora u wont get town or scum, it'll say investigator or whatever it was he said. | ||
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On July 28 2013 06:32 cDgCorazon wrote: That's why I said "If u 2 guys are telling truths" And like, If tofu is fakeclaiming then 5T has to be fakeclaiming too right? It just doesn't make sense that tofu would fake claim to be 3rd detective as scum. Just seems too farfetched.But if FirmTofu is fakeclaiming, he could just say he got back investigator. | ||
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Explain to me how he possibly could have made this claim as scum? He specifically said that he got the exact same role PM as getmo. Then 5T immediately backed him up. How could he have known that? The only way it makes any sense is if 5T and tofu are mafia. And a double fake claim just seems way too ridiculous to consider. | ||
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On July 28 2013 10:00 TanGeng wrote: You didn't address my main point. Tofu didn't just claim detective. He claimed detective and said that he got the exact same PM as getmo. How could he have made that assumption? AFAIK cora never claimed his role PM matched getmos. Fivetouch immediately believing the claim means that he got the exact same role PM as getmo too. How could tofu have known that?Actually, FiveTouch claim really threw me for a loop. But if we consider the scum Tofu and town 5T, scum made the play without knowing 5T was DT and is trying to kill Corazon. The small exchange between me and Tofu seems like Tofu is now off script (not according to plan) if he is indeed scum. I'm still ok with my read. Atually very comfortable because I'm seeing Tofu pull idea after idea without responding to our objections. Sometimes they are really stupid ideas, too. The whole flow is very much within the "pushing scum agenda" behavior. | ||
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On July 28 2013 11:23 TanGeng wrote: I'm just saying that tofu claiming he got the same wording makes it increadibly unlikely that he's lying because 5T DID in fact get the same wording. One more thing. From my read: The attempted play was Claim DT and Lynch Cora. It was NOT Claim DT and Get Believed by 5T. And not only the same wording, but the claim itself. It's just a bizzare wierd claim for scum to make. He claims to be yet another detective and it just so happens that 5T is also yet another detective. It just too coincidental to not be true. | ||
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I think this is correct:+ Show Spoiler + FirmTofu (2) - TanGeng, cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon (2) - Vivax, FirmTofu jrkirby(3) - FiveTouch, Onegu, JarJarDinks not voting: jrkirby I wish I had more time to go through stuff because the cop claims really threw me for a loop. Voting kirby for a few reasons: - Don't feel comfortable voting for either of the claimed cops - process of elimination - He hasn't been around and he may actually get modkilled regardless since he hasn't voted. I know this isn't exactly a great case but I just dont have the time to dig tonight. I'll try to check in before I go to sleep. | ||
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On July 28 2013 13:36 FirmTofu wrote: I don't see how lynching you is better than no lynch. I've already explained why pretty certain ur town now.Vivax!!! Come back! Well if Kirby doesn't switch his vote, then the only viable lynch is me. I'm going to post allmy reads. Town can decide whether its worth killing me for information. I'll still be around for a while. | ||
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##vote cDgCorazon don't think we'll be able to get the majority though unless 5T shows up | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:53 FiveTouch wrote: In order for me to believe tofu is mafia, I need to hear some kind of explaination for how scum knew that making a 3rd detective claim would end up being a good play. The play is suicide untill you say ur also detective.I'm up to page 111. I felt compelled to temporarily abandon my read to tell everyone that if Firm isn't mafia, he's doing a fucking bang-up job of pushing mafia objectives. Christ almighty. | ||
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Gonna reread filters and stuff before I vote. I think I'm starting to come around on a TG lynch. | ||
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OK we have 4 cops getmoript - redcheck on TAA Cora - greencheck on TG tofu - greencheck on TG, greencheck on cora, greencheck on Kirby fivetouch - redcheck on getmoript, redcheck on cora So I think we have to assume we have: 1 legit, 1 insane, 1 naive, 1 paranoid. I think everyone agrees that makes sense. If that's the case, it looks like it's: getmoript = legit, Cora = insane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = paranoid. Which means: TanGeng = scum ##vote TanGeng | ||
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On July 29 2013 21:51 TanGeng wrote: Bah, I thought I had it. OK, the cop info doesn't really tell us much.Counter scenario: getmoript = paranoid, Cora = sane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = insane. Which means: I'm town ##unvote for now back to rereading | ||
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On July 29 2013 21:49 TanGeng wrote: OK this is scummy as heck. Do you think kirby is town or scum? Explain why you would Day 1 policy lynch him if you ever play with him again?I'm perfectly ok with a policy lynch because if you play like jrkirby as scum or town, GTFO. Also if I ever play with kirby again, I'll Day 1 policy lynch kirby again regardless of whether or not I do it today. Will decide at the deadline. Out | ||
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On July 30 2013 00:42 Onegu wrote: I just don't buy his outrage. Saying that he's gonna policy lynch kirby day 1 if he plays w/ him again doesn't make any sense if he thinks there's a chance he's scum. And if he doesn't think there's a chance he's scum then he shouldn't be considering voting him today.Tg has to be town scum cant be dumb enough to post this. | ||
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Maybe vivax but I don't really think so. Right now I'm guessing it's between you, kirby and Onegu. What tofu says makes sense about you soft-bussing kirby. What you're basically saying is that you want the town to vote tofu or vivax. But you'll go ahead and throw your vote on kirby when your vote wont matter anymore. | ||
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On July 30 2013 20:12 Vivax wrote: This is all old news. I was all over tofu for this same reason. But the claim changes everything. Yeah it's quoted from D1. Tofu's D1 play was god awful, I'm currently @ P17. The point where he posted those lists and picked a random dude, ugh. TG suggests that it's WIFOM and is designed too like like a "too suicidal to be scum" play. But that's just not possible because it's 5Ts subsequent claim that makes it impossible to be a scum play. And 5T has flipped town. Lemme break down what I've been saying (again) because there's several reasons tofu can't be bad: - I think we can assume that if there was still another cop out there he'd have claimed already. So that means if tofu is bad then there's exactly 3 cops (legit, insane, paranoid). Meaning the only type of cop missing is a naive one. Seems odd. - Why after 2 DT claims would scum think that making a 3rd DT claim would be a good play. The play is suicide and would have probably resulted in an autolynch if 5T doesn't immediately claim behind him. And it wasn't like he made the claim when he was about to get lynched. - He somehow predicted that all the cops got the exact same role PM. How could he have known that? There's no reason to think that was the case. He could only have made a really lucky guess. ANd even if he had made that guess, why volunteer that extra information because if he was wrong, he'd have been exposed as soon as cora was killed. So this could not have been a WIFOM play because it fails miserably if fivetouch doesn't claim to be the 4th cop. If fivetouch doesn't claim then no one would even consider the fact that tofu could be telling the truth and he'd get immediately lynched. | ||
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Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day. | ||
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On July 31 2013 05:29 jrkirby wrote: Tofu claimed before. I've talked about it like 100 times.Why the hell can't I find fivetouch's cop claim? I'm trying to see if tofu's claim came before or after, but reading through the last couple pages of 5T's filter I can't find it. | ||
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On July 31 2013 06:14 Vivax wrote: Oh wow. Now I have to reread some more. The fact that tofu he hasn't responded to our switch to TG is kind of concerning.Hey, look at this guys. Our claimed cop who got green on TAA says that town should not lynch TAA purely based on getmo's cop claim, but still lists him among his scumreads. Bullshit detected. | ||
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Still would like to hear from him though. | ||
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Tofu, I still don't get how you could have known claiming 3rd cop in this game would have made sense. I feel like you had to have had some outside info to have known that. I agree that the setup was scum favored but I think we used it to our advantage pretty well. We had a bad early game but a good late game. I think the biggest mistake of the town was allowing the cora lynch. I was super nervous about making that switch and you can see in the QT that me and onegu were all panicky around that time. No clue about the drH thing. I'm not even sure why he quit. Cora should have gotten back town on himself or have been not allowed to check himself and gotten back a check on oats. I think a cooler setup would have been 3 legit cops and 2 framers (or something similiar). Thanks hosts for running. | ||
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On July 31 2013 18:23 geript wrote: I was not caught. Lemme explain for everyone. Vivax... JJD did not blend well. He was caught, he just killed his snoop. With how much JJD was pushing behind you instead of pushing for his own reasons should've been a good tell. C'mon man. I know geript from outside of TL but I had no clue untill this game. I always knew he played here but I didn't know what his screen name was. So he dropped clues that I probably would have picked up on if I was really reading the thread thoroughly. So he figured if I was town I would have been paying more attention (which might be true IDK). But he never gave those reasons out to the town and was killed before he could say anything about it. He eventually "came out" by using my real name. On July 26 2013 11:52 getmoript wrote: Look Jarad. I know you haven't been reading my filter. Here's why: Hell. I've said a few times that I have hella meta read on you and you had 0 clue. Like you easily should've known and that would tell you both that I'm town by how I've played and by who I am. On top of that, both my amount and type of activity should've been a huge hint. | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:08 Vivax wrote: We both play the Star Wars CCG so we know each other from the forums for that site and we've met @ live events as well.Where do JJD and geript know each other from? Some other mafia forum? The SWCCG site has a small mafia subfurum of like maybe 20 players that play. That's what introduced me to forum mafia and then I was eventually told about TL. | ||
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