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On July 28 2013 13:14 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 13:11 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 13:05 TanGeng wrote:
@Onegu
From the conversation flow, I'm just not getting a DT with DT check on TAA feel from Tofu. Either cDg or TAA should have been high priorities for discussion. He still tunnels jrkirky and I and then floats getmoript being VT. Actually doesn't talk all that much about cDg at all.
@Tofu
What were you trying to do when tunneling kirby and I? Pursuing my scumreads? What else would you think I was doing? I had a town read on TAA so there was nothing to pursue in that department. I wasn't tunnelling you and Kirby either. I thought you two were the best lynch targets from the process of elimination. Ebwop: town check*
So, nothing to pursue except perhaps help determine your sanity? I don't understand how a DT with town check and uncertain sanity can be so disinterested in TAA.
Just a bit earlier you wanted Cora to flip just so that you and 5T could figure out your sanities.
On July 28 2013 06:34 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 06:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I wish this all would have happened yesterday so there'd be more time to reread stuff to see if I really believe these claims. I'm leaning towards legit because it'd be so outlandish for scum to do something like this,
If u 2 guys are telling truths. then there's a fullproof way to see if cora is legit. Submit your own name tonight. According to cora u wont get town or scum, it'll say investigator or whatever it was he said. Instead of all of us wasting our checks... why don't we lynch Cora and see what our cop sanity is based on his flip? that way we'll know whether the two cops can find scum the following night. It's a win-win.
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Tofu,
I'm pushing you because I'm pointing out your claim is BS.
It doesn't add up. And you're pulling this act because you can't counter my arguments.
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On July 28 2013 13:26 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 13:24 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, either firmtofu or cora is scum, and firm was defending TAA. I think its pretty obvious who's scum. Are you serious right now? I was pushing my TOWN CHECK.
But you had no clue what your sanity was.
"Your PM" explicitly warns you of that.
But actually you didn't push anything. You avoided looking at TAA until getmoript practically forced you into doing it, and you handed him a silly counter that doesn't show any attempt to figure out TAA.
On July 24 2013 08:48 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:44 getmoript wrote:
He fucking claimed scum. He's been totally inactive. The 'shots' he's taken have been completely opportunistic. Have you even read his filter? Yes, I have read his filter. Inactivity is not necessarily alignment indicative. Can you make a sophisticated case against him please? I would like these posts specifically to be addressed. Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.
The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much. Thanks, getmoript.
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it's
Tofu - 3 (TG, Cora, kirby)
kirby - 3 (5T, JJD, Onegu)
Cora - 2 (vivax + tofu)
I think.
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you do that FirmTofu. Post all your reads, now.
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@jrkirby
You have to understand that Corazon's snap call is very consistent with his impulsive play, and Corazon's story is much more of a "so weird you can't make it up"
Tofu is fakeclaiming.
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Look at how desperate he is right now. I've been sparring with him over his story for about an hour, and I'm not getting airtight answers at all.
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On July 28 2013 13:51 FirmTofu wrote:
How about this? If I'm wrong about Cora, you can always lynch me the following day. That would save us from lylo and give us enough of a shot to catch the last scum based on the flip.
But seriously, cDg is scum.
Why not the other way around. Lynch you today and Cora tomorrow.
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@ jrkirby
I've been pressing Tofu for pages now:
See:
On July 28 2013 12:18 TanGeng wrote:Let's go at the Tofu Roleclaim from a different angle: This is the FirmTofu Claim: See Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I gave myself a 12:00 deadline to post this. I've only delayed it this long because I wanted to see where the votes go before my reveal. I was also hoping for the off chance that people would lynch Cora without me having to reveal.
I am the Detective! I have the exact same role pm as getmoript.
Night 1, I checked TAA. Result: Town
Night 2, I checked Cora. Result: Town
This should answer a few questions for you.
Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?
Because I got a town check on him.
If you have any additional questions, please ask.
I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong.
I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely. Now look look at FirmTofu's role PM. Show nested quote +Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results! FirmTofu basically sees that he has a possibility of being insane. The Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long? still makes no sense. He'd have to question his own sanity first and since he got a DT check, he'd be really interested in figuring out TAA alignment first. That is not what happened. FirmTofu basically explored everybody else before finally getting to TAA. I'm having a real problem with this claim even on its own now.
On July 28 2013 12:27 TanGeng wrote:Ok dead fakeclaim by FirmTofu. Here's Tofu's first post when entering TAA fray. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Wait, so let me get this straight. getmoript and Corazon are both claiming cop?
Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles?
How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity?
I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him.
Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist.
My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA.
TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction.
I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts.
Unless he was misrepresenting himself, he should know the answer to the bolded question, already.
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On July 28 2013 13:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 13:36 FirmTofu wrote:
Vivax!!! Come back!
Well if Kirby doesn't switch his vote, then the only viable lynch is me. I'm going to post allmy reads. Town can decide whether its worth killing me for information. I don't see how lynching you is better than no lynch. I've already explained why pretty certain ur town now. I'll still be around for a while.
JJD,
You're not seeing play inconsistent with DT with unknown sanity getting a town check on TAA?
See previous post.
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On July 28 2013 13:58 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 13:56 TanGeng wrote:On July 28 2013 13:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 28 2013 13:36 FirmTofu wrote:
Vivax!!! Come back!
Well if Kirby doesn't switch his vote, then the only viable lynch is me. I'm going to post allmy reads. Town can decide whether its worth killing me for information. I don't see how lynching you is better than no lynch. I've already explained why pretty certain ur town now. I'll still be around for a while. JJD, You're not seeing play inconsistent with DT with unknown sanity getting a town check on TAA? See previous post. Well, getmoript was a DT with unknown sanity, and he pushed TAA to lynch.
getmoript also had a strong read against TAA on Day 1. It's more of the avoiding even looking at TAA. Tofu tackles like 5 other issues before even looking at TAA.
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On July 28 2013 14:10 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 14:05 jrkirby wrote:
FT, what changed your read on me to town? I got a town check on cDg. I know I probably get town checks on scum, so this implicates cDg. cDg voted you. So basically, my biggest scumread was bussing you. That didn't make any sense because scum couldn't afford to lose a member at this stage of the game. That would basically be gg. Bussing was not an option. Therefore, you had to be town. Also, TG makes a lot more sense as scum considering Day 1 and how heavily he's pushing me today.
I'm pushing you because I have a completed scum case against you.
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Tofu,
Why did you check TAA first night?
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On July 28 2013 14:24 FirmTofu wrote:
That being said, I am perfectly OK with being lynched. I just want town to promise that they will lynch you AND TG when I flip town.
If town agrees to that, I'll vote myself.
Let's go. I'm 100% sure at this point. You posed it. I'll take it.
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If you flip town, I'll shut up for 2 day cycles and let you run the lynch wagon over Corazon and I.
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