EPTA Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack" - Page 71
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FiveTouch
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FirmTofu
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I would endorse a shot on either one. I don't think you can justifiably shoot anyone else. cDg is the only person I'm still wavering on, but by process of elimination, I'm pretty sure we found the entire scumteam if TAA flips scum. | ||
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FiveTouch
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You think scum faked a roleblock on a scumbuddy who already claimed VT. That would fall pretty heavily under "dumb", but it's what you're basing your argument around. See the problem here? | ||
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austinmcc
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On July 25 2013 07:41 FiveTouch wrote: I disagree that you destroyed the argument. I think that maybe scum screwed up and RBed a guy who claimed VT, or maybe scum screwed up and RBed one of their own guys for distance even though he'd claimed VT. As far as other benefits about making people believe things, that's entirely speculative and I don't think anyone would RB to maybe get 2 people to possibly believe something IF they happened to think this one way over just RBing someone and hoping you stopped a blue.So you attack me for not believing one theory over another, I completely destroy the argument you're proposing I should believe in, then you just abandon it because you don't wanna clog? Ok dear. For example, if what cora and I believe is so so so so silly, then doing something so that cora and I tie two people together is EQUALLY silly, that's the flaw in the tying-people-together argument. You think what we're doing is silly, yet you're saying scum might do something to get that result. You're saying scum took a weird action HOPING that people did something you think is silly. On July 25 2013 07:44 FiveTouch wrote: Thing is austin, it's not even that I'm certain about TG being town or anything, I just resent being attacked for not playing "decent" or believing something I shouldn't when the attacks are bogus, or whatever else you were throwing at me. You or VE voted for someone yesterday. Without knowing why the wagon on them existed, seemingly, and without you having read over their stuff towards the end of the day. Sorry, but voting for people without reading them is not something I consider solid play. Even if you weren't around, arguing about someone's alignment without reading them, or at the very least a subset of posts that led them to get a number of votes, is not something I consider solid play. On July 25 2013 07:47 FiveTouch wrote: No. I attack you for using "scum are dumb" as a basis for something because I think that either you consider NO dumb stuff or you have to consider LOTS of dumb stuff. The moment you're willing to patch over a hole in something by saying "maybe someone did something dumb," then you have to look at all the other holes that can be patched over by "maybe someone did something dumb." The moment you're willing to use someone doing something dumb to justify a conclusion, you kind of have to take stock of a number of other conclusions that are possible/likely so long as someone did something dumb.Because the thing is (sorry, my mind's whirring), you've attacked me more than once for basing something on "scum are dumb". You think scum faked a roleblock on a scumbuddy who already claimed VT. That would fall pretty heavily under "dumb", but it's what you're basing your argument around. See the problem here? | ||
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austinmcc
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FiveTouch
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Answer me this at least: if TAA had just withered and died without claiming, would that make TG look better or worse? because as far as I can see, you think it makes TG look worse, right? | ||
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austinmcc
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On July 25 2013 08:03 FiveTouch wrote: In all honesty, I don't do really think anything of TAA's claim. The moment he responded to getmoript's DT check claim, he became scum.Just deleted a load of non-helpful crap that went here. Answer me this at least: if TAA had just withered and died without claiming, would that make TG look better or worse? because as far as I can see, you think it makes TG look worse, right? If he flips RB, then I think it's more likely that this is "use an ability on scum for distance" than not, so it makes TG look a little worse. But TG mainly looks bad because he ended the day at x-1 and got a lot of those votes because his D1 actually reads scummy to me. Like, claim aside, his posts were scummy to me. And given that he started picking up votes with a couple hours to spare, and ended x-1, I would expect scum to pop in and lynch him if he were town. A no lynch is fine for them, but they passed up a dead townie if he's town, plus any incremental value of making me/others look scummy for lynching him. Nor do I think you're gonna pick up a bunch of scrutiny when everyone is clamoring for this guy to be lynched and begging people who haven't even read thread to vote him and lynch him. I don't think TAA's claim really does much either way to the alignment. | ||
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FiveTouch
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FiveTouch
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austinmcc
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(1) scum was already all up on dat lynch (2) scum was worried about being the hammer Everyone was so upset about low involvement, about having a no lynch, that I don't think scum needed to be worried about hammering. On July 22 2013 14:49 phagga wrote: Like, I'm town, I think getmoript is town, I'm not entirely sure about you. You don't seem to think I'm scum, just stupid here, and you don't seem to think getmoript is scum. If TG is town, then wouldn't you expect FirmTofu or JarJarDrinks or BOTH to be scum? Otherwise scum just chose not to put a single person on a town lynch and not drop the hammer?VOTE COUNT: getmoript (1) JarJarDrinks (0) TheAwesomeAll (0) FirmTofu (2) raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster (1) TanGeng (5) FirmTofu, getmoript, austinmcc, FiveTouch, JarJarDrinks Not Voting: (3) Oatsmaster, Zephirdd, DoctorHelvetica Lynch is in 10 Minutes. Voting is mandatory. With 12 alive, 7 are required to lynch. Currently Noone is set to be lynched! If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it. | ||
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FiveTouch
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getmoript
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On July 25 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote: But TG mainly looks bad because he ended the day at x-1 and got a lot of those votes because his D1 actually reads scummy to me. Like, claim aside, his posts were scummy to me. And given that he started picking up votes with a couple hours to spare, and ended x-1, I would expect scum to pop in and lynch him if he were town. A no lynch is fine for them, but they passed up a dead townie if he's town, plus any incremental value of making me/others look scummy for lynching him. Nor do I think you're gonna pick up a bunch of scrutiny when everyone is clamoring for this guy to be lynched and begging people who haven't even read thread to vote him and lynch him. I actually disagree with this part. Here's why. Considering the activity level D1, a no lynch is far preferable to a town mislynch IMO and here's why. 1. Said town mislynch is going to be an easy topic to hide in all game long. 2. Said town mislynch can be pushed on D2 or D3 reasonably easily 3. Low activity combined with stupid majority voting rules means that after a no-lynch, 2 NKs and a mislynch. At a 9-3 or 8-3-1 split, you can force town into lylo at 5-3 instead of at 4-3 which is a HUGE boon because you can still be getting rid of the obv town while keeping the lurkers/scummy players to help hide in. | ||
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getmoript
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On July 25 2013 08:15 FiveTouch wrote: Were TAA or jrkirby around any time near lynch? AFAIK neither were. Jkirby went off early IIRC and TAA was like MIA as much D1 as he's been today. | ||
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FiveTouch
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I would say that how you've argued about this has made me feel much better about you though. ~marv | ||
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FiveTouch
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On July 25 2013 08:18 getmoript wrote: AFAIK neither were. Jkirby went off early IIRC and TAA was like MIA as much D1 as he's been today. Yeah, if that's the case it's where the whole x-1 theory collapses. And in case Corazon is scum, he was totally not there for obvious replacement reason. | ||
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getmoript
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austinmcc
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One second on finding when people left thread. TAA left 6:20 before lynch. jrkirby checked in with less than 2 hours to lynch, by the time I'd already started pestering and pushing TG: On July 22 2013 13:14 jrkirby wrote: Poking began 5 hours before lynch, and at the point jrkirby posted this,TG had picked up one vote, with me not voting yet but being clearly scummy on TG, and getmoript voting like 10 minutes after this post.So are people saying oats behavior is his standard behavior? Because I' also not loving TG, and if his filter checks scum to me, I might vote for him instead. | ||
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austinmcc
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On July 25 2013 08:25 getmoript wrote: In all honesty, if you're paranoid, I'll still be surprised if TAA flips town.Yah, I thought about that. I don't want to get too wrapped up in it. I've been thinking about a number of situations. Like, assume I'm paranoid/insane for a second, then it makes perfect sense to have rolecop and vigilante as town; quite possibly we could even have a town RB. It could just be terribly a terribly ironic situation that unfolded. Like, regardless of whether the check is trustworthy, the reaction to the check ... | ||
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getmoript
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On July 25 2013 08:27 austinmcc wrote: In all honesty, if you're paranoid, I'll still be surprised if TAA flips town. Like, regardless of whether the check is trustworthy, the reaction to the check ... No I wholly agree there. Thus the irony in the situation (a paranoid cop getting scum lynched on a red check). | ||
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