That's why I said "If u 2 guys are telling truths" And like, If tofu is fakeclaiming then 5T has to be fakeclaiming too right? It just doesn't make sense that tofu would fake claim to be 3rd detective as scum. Just seems too farfetched.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 27 2013 22:20 GMT

#2094

@TG. Not home. Following by phone. Will be on this evening.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 28 2013 00:35 GMT

#2132

@TG. I was w/ you on Tofu before. But how are you not reevaluating ur read on him after this DT claim?

Explain to me how he possibly could have made this claim as scum? He specifically said that he got the exact same role PM as getmo. Then 5T immediately backed him up. How could he have known that? The only way it makes any sense is if 5T and tofu are mafia. And a double fake claim just seems way too ridiculous to consider.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 28 2013 01:54 GMT

#2141

On July 28 2013 10:00 TanGeng wrote:

Show nested quote +

Actually, FiveTouch claim really threw me for a loop. But if we consider the scum Tofu and town 5T, scum made the play without knowing 5T was DT and is trying to kill Corazon. The small exchange between me and Tofu seems like Tofu is now off script (not according to plan) if he is indeed scum.

I'm still ok with my read. Atually very comfortable because I'm seeing Tofu pull idea after idea without responding to our objections. Sometimes they are really stupid ideas, too. The whole flow is very much within the "pushing scum agenda" behavior.

You didn't address my main point. Tofu didn't just claim detective. He claimed detective and said that he got the exact same PM as getmo. How could he have made that assumption? AFAIK cora never claimed his role PM matched getmos. Fivetouch immediately believing the claim means that he got the exact same role PM as getmo too. How could tofu have known that?

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 28 2013 02:36 GMT

#2148

On July 28 2013 11:23 TanGeng wrote:
One more thing. From my read:

The attempted play was Claim DT and Lynch Cora.
It was NOT Claim DT and Get Believed by 5T.

I'm just saying that tofu claiming he got the same wording makes it increadibly unlikely that he's lying because 5T DID in fact get the same wording.

And not only the same wording, but the claim itself. It's just a bizzare wierd claim for scum to make. He claims to be yet another detective and it just so happens that 5T is also yet another detective. It just too coincidental to not be true.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 28 2013 03:12 GMT

#2150

#vote jkirby

I think this is correct:+ Show Spoiler +

FirmTofu (2) - TanGeng, cDgCorazon,
cDgCorazon (2) - Vivax, FirmTofu
jrkirby(3) - FiveTouch, Onegu, JarJarDinks

not voting: jrkirby

I wish I had more time to go through stuff because the cop claims really threw me for a loop. Voting kirby for a few reasons:

- Don't feel comfortable voting for either of the claimed cops
- process of elimination
- He hasn't been around and he may actually get modkilled regardless since he hasn't voted.

I know this isn't exactly a great case but I just dont have the time to dig tonight. I'll try to check in before I go to sleep.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 28 2013 04:53 GMT

#2217

On July 28 2013 13:36 FirmTofu wrote:
Vivax!!! Come back!

Well if Kirby doesn't switch his vote, then the only viable lynch is me. I'm going to post allmy reads. Town can decide whether its worth killing me for information.

I don't see how lynching you is better than no lynch. I've already explained why pretty certain ur town now.

I'll still be around for a while.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 28 2013 05:21 GMT

#2245

##unvote
##vote cDgCorazon

don't think we'll be able to get the majority though unless 5T shows up

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 29 2013 00:37 GMT

#2379

On July 29 2013 08:53 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm up to page 111. I felt compelled to temporarily abandon my read to tell everyone that if Firm isn't mafia, he's doing a fucking bang-up job of pushing mafia objectives. Christ almighty.

In order for me to believe tofu is mafia, I need to hear some kind of explaination for how scum knew that making a 3rd detective claim would end up being a good play. The play is suicide untill you say ur also detective.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 29 2013 00:54 GMT

#2381

Yeah I see that now. I was starting to suspect Onegu alot also. I feel like this game is maybe supposed to be all about the cops. Vig kinda seems out of place.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 29 2013 12:29 GMT

#2431

I'm actually glad fivetouch got killed. Otherwise it would have been in the back of my mind that 5T/tofu made a crazy double fakeclaim. Now we can be 100% sure that tofu is legit.

Gonna reread filters and stuff before I vote. I think I'm starting to come around on a TG lynch.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 29 2013 12:48 GMT

#2434

Proof that TanGeng is mafia

OK we have 4 cops

getmoript - redcheck on TAA

Cora - greencheck on TG

tofu - greencheck on TG, greencheck on cora, greencheck on Kirby

fivetouch - redcheck on getmoript, redcheck on cora

So I think we have to assume we have: 1 legit, 1 insane, 1 naive, 1 paranoid. I think everyone agrees that makes sense.

If that's the case, it looks like it's: getmoript = legit, Cora = insane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = paranoid. Which means:

TanGeng = scum

##vote TanGeng

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 29 2013 12:59 GMT

#2437

On July 29 2013 21:51 TanGeng wrote:

Show nested quote +

Counter scenario:
getmoript = paranoid, Cora = sane, Tofu = naive, fivetouch = insane.
Which means: I'm town

Bah, I thought I had it. OK, the cop info doesn't really tell us much.

##unvote for now

back to rereading

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 29 2013 15:17 GMT

#2438

On July 29 2013 21:49 TanGeng wrote:
I'm perfectly ok with a policy lynch because if you play like jrkirby as scum or town, GTFO.

Also if I ever play with kirby again, I'll Day 1 policy lynch kirby again regardless of whether or not I do it today.
Will decide at the deadline.

Out

OK this is scummy as heck. Do you think kirby is town or scum? Explain why you would Day 1 policy lynch him if you ever play with him again?

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 29 2013 19:26 GMT

#2442

On July 30 2013 00:42 Onegu wrote:
Tg has to be town scum cant be dumb enough to post this.

I just don't buy his outrage. Saying that he's gonna policy lynch kirby day 1 if he plays w/ him again doesn't make any sense if he thinks there's a chance he's scum. And if he doesn't think there's a chance he's scum then he shouldn't be considering voting him today.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 30 2013 03:29 GMT

#2448

@TG, I'm not totally sure about vivax, but I'm 100% sure about tofu now that 5T is dead. Tofu just couldn't make the claim he made as scum. I'm not getting all into the reasons why this has to be true becaue I already posted enough about it. But there's just no way he can be mafia w/ his claim. period.

Maybe vivax but I don't really think so. Right now I'm guessing it's between you, kirby and Onegu.

What tofu says makes sense about you soft-bussing kirby. What you're basically saying is that you want the town to vote tofu or vivax. But you'll go ahead and throw your vote on kirby when your vote wont matter anymore.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 30 2013 12:33 GMT

#2461

On July 30 2013 20:12 Vivax wrote:
Yeah it's quoted from D1.
Tofu's D1 play was god awful, I'm currently @ P17. The point where he posted those lists and picked a random dude,
ugh.

This is all old news. I was all over tofu for this same reason. But the claim changes everything.

TG suggests that it's WIFOM and is designed too like like a "too suicidal to be scum" play. But that's just not possible because it's 5Ts subsequent claim that makes it impossible to be a scum play. And 5T has flipped town.

Lemme break down what I've been saying (again) because there's several reasons tofu can't be bad:

- I think we can assume that if there was still another cop out there he'd have claimed already. So that means if tofu is bad then there's exactly 3 cops (legit, insane, paranoid). Meaning the only type of cop missing is a naive one. Seems odd.

- Why after 2 DT claims would scum think that making a 3rd DT claim would be a good play. The play is suicide and would have probably resulted in an autolynch if 5T doesn't immediately claim behind him. And it wasn't like he made the claim when he was about to get lynched.

- He somehow predicted that all the cops got the exact same role PM. How could he have known that? There's no reason to think that was the case. He could only have made a really lucky guess. ANd even if he had made that guess, why volunteer that extra information because if he was wrong, he'd have been exposed as soon as cora was killed.

So this could not have been a WIFOM play because it fails miserably if fivetouch doesn't claim to be the 4th cop. If fivetouch doesn't claim then no one would even consider the fact that tofu could be telling the truth and he'd get immediately lynched.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 30 2013 17:14 GMT

#2474

##Vote: TanGeng

Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 30 2013 20:32 GMT

#2502

On July 31 2013 05:29 jrkirby wrote:
Why the hell can't I find fivetouch's cop claim? I'm trying to see if tofu's claim came before or after, but reading through the last couple pages of 5T's filter I can't find it.

Tofu claimed before. I've talked about it like 100 times.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

July 30 2013 20:42 GMT

#2504

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&currentpage=102#2027