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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:30 GMT
#1349
Because the setup info states that vig cannot shoot on night 1.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:30 GMT
#1351
On July 16 2013 09:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Koshi looked scummy to a lot of people. I imagine some hero vig tried to make big plays.


Rainbows also looked scummy to a lot of people. How do you know that the scum did not kill Koshi?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:35 GMT
#1360
On July 16 2013 09:32 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Alright, Onegu. I guess I can start refuting your 'case' now. Where do you want me to begin?


Right here:

On July 16 2013 09:30 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 09:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Koshi looked scummy to a lot of people. I imagine some hero vig tried to make big plays.


Rainbows also looked scummy to a lot of people. How do you know that the scum did not kill Koshi?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:36 GMT
#1362
On July 16 2013 09:35 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 09:30 hzflank wrote:
On July 16 2013 09:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Koshi looked scummy to a lot of people. I imagine some hero vig tried to make big plays.


Rainbows also looked scummy to a lot of people. How do you know that the scum did not kill Koshi?


Its not likely because scum do not want to NK people that have a high chance to be lynched.


Do you think that Koshi had a much higher chance of being lynched than Rainbows? I have Rainbows as more scummy as Koshi, as you can see in my pre day post (2 scum, 2 most scummy neutral, 2 most town).
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:37 GMT
#1363
Chrom also had Rainbows as more scum in his pre-day post. And Sponge has Chrom as town.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:41 GMT
#1366
When I got over the shock of seeing the second kill, I had no idea which kill was made by scum and which kill was made by the SK. You seemed to know.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:44 GMT
#1371
On July 16 2013 09:42 Nightcat99 wrote:
well as i stated before i think the scum would try to break up the tribunal if there is one thats form by 3 townie so i think rainbow was kill by scum, what i dont understand is why rainbow , because he seems to be the least active and is just following along with what you guys decide.


It is completely WIFOM. We do not have enough information to know for sure which kill was made by whom.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:46 GMT
#1372
On July 16 2013 09:43 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 09:41 hzflank wrote:
When I got over the shock of seeing the second kill, I had no idea which kill was made by scum and which kill was made by the SK. You seemed to know.


Hey, I could be wrong. But based on my reads, that's what I figured. I'm not obsessing over it, because I don't think that information is relevant, is it?


Sure it's relevant. The first thing you thought was that Koshi was not killed by scum. It looks very much like you know who the scum killed.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:47 GMT
#1375
Did anyone else immediately think: I guess that guy was killed by scum and the other guy was killed by town/3p?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:51 GMT
#1378
Because if you know which faction took out whom then you must be scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:53 GMT
#1381
A theory at this point is no problem at all. It is your initial reaction that is the problem.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 00:58 GMT
#1391
So you suddenly think I am scum because I caught your slip?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 01:00 GMT
#1394
On July 16 2013 09:55 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Onegu, I'm repeating this now so it will hopefully sink in by the time the lynch comes around.

I believe it is currently the Mafia's plan to take your case and parlay it into a mislynch. Once I refute your case, please don't be overwhelmed by confirmation bias of random people coming out of the woodwork agreeing with you. They are likely scum.


This has nothing to do with Onegu's case. We went over that earlier and came to a suitable conclusion (get votes in an hour early). This is about you knowing who the scum shot when you had no way to know that.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 01:22 GMT
#1408
On July 16 2013 10:10 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I thought you were a better player, so the more reasonable explanation to me at this point is that you're the SK (omg you slipped because you knew it was SK and not vig after the kill)


The setup information clearly shows that a Vig cannot shoot on night 1, and that scum only have 1 KP. I posted this immediately and either you did not read it or you are now lying.

On July 16 2013 09:29 hzflank wrote:
Vig cannot shoot night 1, read the setup info.


I knew that it had to be an SK as soon as I saw the second kill because that is knowledge that is available to town. You knew which target the scum did not shoot because that is knowledge that is available to scum.

Then you claim that I am scum and that I have been planning to lynch you all this time?

On July 16 2013 09:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
This is good. It looks like scum is taking Onegu's FoS and running with it.

Going to dive hz's filter now.


Even though we already had the conversation about Onegu's big problem with you.

On July 16 2013 04:58 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 04:45 hzflank wrote:
On July 16 2013 01:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I thought it was valuable for Town to control the lynch. I wanted to undermine the mafia's ability to switch votes at the last second.


That's fine, but also very risky on day 1. I had town reads on Umasi and Rainbows too, but I did not trust them.

It might be worth discussing how to avoid this in future. For example, perhaps we could ask everyone to lock in their votes an hour before deadline, and no one is allowed to change as long as there is a majority. If there is not a majority then it gives us say 45 minutes to discuss it, and then we lock in a lynch with 15 minutes to go.

Thoughts?


This would be the ideal solution. I didn't see a majority at the time of the Tribunal's formation, so I decided to make a play to ensure there was a lynch. Your proposal is a better option.


You know that you just slipped and you are now trying to deflect the pressure. First by calling me scum, and when my filter did not look scummy you moved on to Onegu.

On July 16 2013 10:10 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Although it looks like Onegu is going to be in full tunnel mode despite the obvious flaws in his train-of-thought during the downtime.


The problem that I face now is that I have a one-point case. You (Sponge) and me are going to end up repeating ourselves over and over. Therefore I ask:

Does anyone else think that Sponge made a scumslip here?

On July 16 2013 09:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Koshi looked scummy to a lot of people. I imagine some hero vig tried to make big plays.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 01:49 GMT
#1430
On July 16 2013 10:46 Chromatically wrote:
Anyway, these NKs don't make any sense at all, they were two highly likely mislynches for today.

Scum + SK is Gotard+Nightcat+Xzavier with an outside chance of Super.

Everyone else is really town (yes, including Onegu and Alaka).


10+2+1 or 9+3+1? If it is based off of C9++ then it could be either.

For balance reasons, it probably depends on the number of good power roles that town has.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 01:51 GMT
#1433
Correct, thanks, must be 9+3+1.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 01:54 GMT
#1437
On July 16 2013 10:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Very well. Can I disobey my own statement and ask a dumbass question?

Would scum claim a RB or is that WIFOM?


Sure they would. It's factional KP anyway. If they do not claim then the JK might think they are scum.

On the other hand, that's only if he was RB by town JK. If he was RB by a scum RBer then Chrom is town.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 01:57 GMT
#1439
On July 16 2013 10:56 Xzavier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 10:54 hzflank wrote:
On July 16 2013 10:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Very well. Can I disobey my own statement and ask a dumbass question?

Would scum claim a RB or is that WIFOM?


Sure they would. It's factional KP anyway. If they do not claim then the JK might think they are scum.

On the other hand, that's only if he was RB by town JK. If he was RB by a scum RBer then Chrom is town.


i fail to see the logic in the second half of that post


Why on earth would scum RB one of their team?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 01:58 GMT
#1441
On July 16 2013 10:57 Chromatically wrote:
I would really like to hear from anyone who has scumreads on hz, Onegu, Umasi, Sponge, or Alaka. I have a hard time seeing any of them as scum.


You did not believe than Sponge slipped then?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 01:59 GMT
#1443
Also, if anyone has a good read on Alaka at this point then they are a genius. Cloud posted nothing during day one.
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