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On July 15 2013 06:19 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:14 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town? CHROM WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO? WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL Because Kirby isn't being bad, he's being scum. He's trying to look like he's contributing while doing nothing. No one "doesn't know how to pressure". It consists of saying what you're thinking. If he was really town, and really had a scumread on Sponge, he would have brought it up to the thread. He didn't have any scumreads at all (before the wagon on him). If he was town, he would have at least some suspicions, even if they're bad, because he's trying to scumhunt.
On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:
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This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious.
You aren't even reading my filter, man.
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On July 15 2013 06:28 Chromatically wrote:
I actually quoted that in my case, if you were reading mine.
Saying something is a "tiny bit suspicious" doesn't constitute a scumread, it constitutes a weak suspicion that you can go with or back out of at any time.
Well I'm sorry if I didn't commit 100% to something 3 hours into day 1. That's just not the way I play.
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What do you mean? I didn't commit to someone until near the end of the first day. And even in that game people were giving me shit for not backing up the reads I made early.
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Yeah, if super flips scum, which I hope, I'd be really suspicious of chrom. But I don't think you should vote him if I die tonight.
Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then?
Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest.
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On July 15 2013 07:48 Rainbows wrote:
Scum are the quiet ones. 100%.
Lynch Gotard last hour of game :o
I would absolutely love this. A bunch of people agree that he's scum, too.
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On July 15 2013 08:11 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 08:08 Rainbows wrote:
If either kirby or super is blue plz claim NO. NO. NO. We want a Super claim. NOT A KIRBY CLAIM WTF? Why?
I'm not setup to die atm.
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On July 15 2013 08:13 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:11 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 08:08 Rainbows wrote:
If either kirby or super is blue plz claim NO. NO. NO. We want a Super claim. NOT A KIRBY CLAIM WTF? Why? I'm not setup to die atm.
Oh wait, I am pretty close. But anyway, if I'm blue, you'll know it on the flip.
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On July 15 2013 08:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:19 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 08:16 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 08:13 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 08:11 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 08:08 Rainbows wrote:
If either kirby or super is blue plz claim NO. NO. NO. We want a Super claim. NOT A KIRBY CLAIM WTF? Why? I'm not setup to die atm. Oh wait, I am pretty close. But anyway, if I'm blue, you'll know it on the flip. feels like martyring. talk TALK YOUR ASS OFF THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS OUT, YOU COULD DIE WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING YOUR ASS OFF /singed Stop being a martyr kirby. Keep fucking talking and let us know why you are town. Find new shit somewhere. Prove why we want you to stick around. Because you are going to die if votes don't change. Chrom has a stronger position than me and hz combined so...
I'm not martyring. I don't have much left to say. I defended myself, posted, my reads...
One last defence, who might my scumteam be? If I flipped, I don't see who's next. If super flips scum, then chrom is pretty clearly some scummy looking thing.
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On July 15 2013 08:26 Umasi wrote:
That's not a defense Kirby
But it is something to think about.
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Give me a direct accusation, I shall defend it.
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On July 15 2013 08:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@WAGONMEN (Mr. Kirby and Mr. Superfluous)
The Grand Tribunal Of Townie Bloodlust has proven that it holds your fate in their hands. Mr. Chromatically and Mr. hzflank have done admiral jobs presenting and defending your cases. But now.... you must deal with us.
Appeal to The Tribunal: defend your innocence, attack your foe, and try give us something to work with, for Pete's sake.
EBWOP, I meant to quote this.
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The way this is turning out, I am having major doubts that super is scum. I would much much much rather have gotard or koshi lynch.
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On July 15 2013 08:45 Chromatically wrote:
I was pretty sure that they were both scum, butI have doubts that scum Koshi would be hard defending scum Kirby as much as he just did.
Those preflip associations, man.
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WTF koshi? I mean, I'm kinda flattered, but that's just stupid.
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Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.
I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.
Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.
Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.
That's the best I got, GG guys.
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On July 15 2013 08:59 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:58 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.
I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.
Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.
Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.
That's the best I got, GG guys. KIRBY WHY DID YOU NOT POST EARLIER FUCK DAMMIT SHIT TOO LATE NOW STAY THE COURSE
I posted almost the same thing earlier
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Were there any blues except cop and JK?
Also, everyone who I personally accused of being scum was scum: both hzflank and gotard. Major points for me?
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