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On July 03 2013 07:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 07:48 marvellosity wrote:On July 03 2013 07:46 Vivax wrote:
I endorse a shot on marv or Lazer as well.
Hardly seen town marv give a townread based on tryharding and skip on everything else presented. It was fucking deadline man, you don't skip on reading a guy and brush him off cause he's tryharding. That reflects lack of caring.
Lazer/Marv interactions have bad taste to them, too.
Also cause it's funny when marv gets mad. No, it reflects using my time wisely. Also it's funny cause you're a dick and also possibly scum. The list lengthens  Wtf dude. You were still in time to talk about Lazer. We are talking about Lazer all the fucking time. You defend his claim. You say we put words in your mouth when we say you think he's town. You don't think "Oh well these guys might actually be right I'll go read him and give my opinion on him". You become all pissy and defensive, and still show zero doubt about and information gathering on lazer, which is scummy regardless of his alignment.
I looked at Lazer's filter because he was one of the main lynch candidates. I genuinely don't see how this could possibly be a bad thing to do. Hint, it isn't.
I've explained his claim how I see it. Again, what's the problem?
I'm always pissy and defensive, especially in the face of sheer stupidity. You know this for a fact.
By the way "scummy regardless of alignment" might be the stupidest thing I've ever read.
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lol i can't believe they shot rayn. thanks guise
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We don't lynch either the miller or the claimed cop because both are fucking retarded as all hell.
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That post doesn't even say anything
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On July 03 2013 08:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
That post doesn't even say anything Where is your hope that Lazer's claim would resolve itself now? You and Lazer, claimed miller and cop, are still alive. Me and Rayn, unclaimed but supertownie, pushing you two, were shot. Try to brush it off as WIFOM as much as you like.
I'm not brushing anything off as WIFOM. All you're doing is using WIFOM.
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The whole scenario is just so ridiculous I can't even believe it's a thing. As we now know mafia have 2kp due to whenever that was edited into the OP, the assertion is that with my 2KP, I decided to give myself the absolute best chance of getting lynched by randomly claiming some role, where if there was a 2nd claim instantly makes me look terrible. I'm randomly giving myself an opportunity for ??? with the real risk that another miller claims and I get lynched, when there's not one chance in all of god's hell on earth that I would possibly get lynched on day 1 otherwise. It's so much nonsense it's unbelievable.
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On July 03 2013 08:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im andy Kagan.
marv is upplaying the risk for scum to fakeclaim in this setup. Lynch him.
IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. Of course I'm spelling out the real fucking risks that I'd take as mafia doing this, because the benefits are VERY SMALL and the risk was VERY LARGE. fuck me.
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Pretty sure iGrok said that roleblocks don't notify in one of his clarification posts
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On July 03 2013 08:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:26 marvellosity wrote:On July 03 2013 08:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im andy Kagan.
marv is upplaying the risk for scum to fakeclaim in this setup. Lynch him. IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. Of course I'm spelling out the real fucking risks that I'd take as mafia doing this, because the benefits are VERY SMALL and the risk was VERY LARGE. fuck me. 1/5 risk bro, assuming cc chance 40 %, then you can claim the other name or simply guess the name the real miller doesn't have. 0.40 * roughly 0.50 = 1/5
Where are you pulling 40% out of your ass from? Do you know how iGrok rolled the setup?
And I can 'guess' a name and not worry about their being 2 miller claims? Are you fucking serious right now?
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There are 8 or 9 townie roles, and there are 2 miller roles.
40% should be more like 90% if we were going on pure random probabilities. Stop being fucking dense.
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8 or 9 townie roles to choose between 12 possible townroles that is.
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On July 03 2013 08:34 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:28 marvellosity wrote:
Pretty sure iGrok said that roleblocks don't notify in one of his clarification posts Yes but if your ability doesn't go through....
Er... ;;
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On July 03 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
Put marv before gumshoe. The guy isn't pushing any reads. Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating. He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game. He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it. Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long. He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit.
Even for you this is exceptionally biased.
I'm defending myself because I'm under relentless attack from jubjubs. In case you hadn't noticed, when I had some time earlier I had a go at diving fuba + s0lstice + gumshoe's filters (and WoS to an extent but I gave up).
The miller claim IS too risky. It's monumentally risky. Why would I even PUT myself in a position to "outplay" the other miller when I can JUST NOT CLAIM MILLER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
How was I throwing shit everywhere on day 1? I came back, had little time, put my vote on someone who's usually very active but wasn't, then changed my vote to someone I thought was scummy. I didn't ignore rayn, I looked at Lazer's filter myself.
I also didn't show zero doubt, as evidenced by my voteswitch in the first place.
What an absolute pile of horse manure that post was, vivax.
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What have I done that's 'crazy', gumshoe? How is my behavioural analysis of Vayne WIFOM? It was a meta read, don't call it wifom when it isn't. Just because it was wrong doesn't make it crazy or wifom.
This town has gone to hell largely because of my efforts? The fact that town sheeped me when I asked is indicative of a shit town who didn't have any of their shit together and sheeped someone who came back an hour before the lynch. Bullshit all you like but every townie's vote is their own.
Fuck you man, go to hell.
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If town can't follow basic logic they don't deserve to be convinced.
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Who cares if they did? How is it relevant?
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On July 03 2013 09:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:28 marvellosity wrote:
Who cares if they did? How is it relevant? because then it doesnt matter as much if the fakeclaimer died because they wont lose KP anyway. This is a MAIN POINT in your defence that its too risky and not enough benefit for scum to claim. WoS, who is most likely for being scum out of the blue claimers? BECAUSE Im thinking its you for just claiming and fucking off without even mentioning ANYBODY.
..... why even risk the fakeclaimer dying and just not fakeclaim???
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On July 03 2013 09:30 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
What have I done that's 'crazy', gumshoe? How is my behavioural analysis of Vayne WIFOM? It was a meta read, don't call it wifom when it isn't. Just because it was wrong doesn't make it crazy or wifom.
This town has gone to hell largely because of my efforts? The fact that town sheeped me when I asked is indicative of a shit town who didn't have any of their shit together and sheeped someone who came back an hour before the lynch. Bullshit all you like but every townie's vote is their own.
Fuck you man, go to hell. Theres a fine line between WIFOM and META and I think that line is right or wrong. You used something that wound up being false to make a lynch happen that otherwise shouldnt have happened. You need to be held accountable for that at least. Also ouch man 0_0 ouch. Not cool at all ) : its an opinion in a game, I havent even lynched/shot you or your mafia buds yet XD
There's not a fine line between wifom and meta. Stop just saying shit as if it's true. It was a legitimate summary of his past play and comparing it to this game, someone being involved or not isn't wifom.
You're blaming me for a lynch as if no townie has ever lynched another townie or something? Again, hello, I have one vote only, I just pushed for what I thought was right. Where were you trying to care about the lynch? Oh, not there, I remember.
Keep your own house in order before throwing stones.
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On July 03 2013 09:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
because confirmed townie status is good.
are you on drugs or something? how is that a good risk/reward? how is it even TRUE given we're having this stupid conversation?
I already explained fully why I did it in NMMIV, and the probabilities in this case are wildly different (which I'd know if I was scum and thought about it)
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On July 03 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:
As fun as it is exchanging insults with Marv, I think today should focus on Fuba(last to claim, who has to essentially claim survivor, miller or unknown, or he has to fight it out with a claimee) and the blues. As I've already mentioned Virax is blue or we dont know anything about this game XD WOS is uber suspicious Lazer is null, and his alignment might really depend on what Marv is(on the one hand he claimed first as blue, which is uber risky, and they're hasn't been a counter, but if they're is no miller and Marv is his buddy then it might have been a safe claim). I'm biased about Gumshoe.
Vivak is virtually guaranteed vet. Please offer your thoughts on me WOS Lazer and Fuba. I think us 4 should be the candidates for todays lynch. Were much better picks than the great big ball of chaotic uncertainty that is Marv
Marv how do you feel about Lynching WOS or Fuba?
As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.
P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
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