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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:17 GMT
#979
Hi everyone, first off I'd like to say I'm quite demoralized after yesterday. I really felt I did a decent job at playing but apparantly not. I'm generally not someone who gets misslynched. Only happend twice (my very first game and a game where I had way too little time to play, and that was D4. This game, time was not really much of an issue) and I would've got lynched for sure had it not been for the fact that I roled cop, a role that is basically useless now). I will try to comment on some stuff but I'd rather not spend too much time playing mafia this day and instead try to do my best tomorrow instead, when I will have alot of free time! Enough with that though, I'll save the discussion on why my play sucked to postgame.

I will not get shot today, not in a million years, so the fact that I'm holding some reads isn't really going to affect the game too much.

If anyone got some questions, feel free to ask!
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:23 GMT
#984
On July 03 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wanna lynch marv?
Not really. Though I am not all so sure of the fact that he is town anymore. But for tomorrow I don't think he is the correct choice. I'd rather kill fuba first. However, a fuba/Marv scum team seems rather possible to me at this point. Thing is, if Marv really is town, he has a high chance of getting shot. + fuba is far more scummy than Marv in general.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:28 GMT
#990
I don't get it Ray, is your thing against Marv the fact that he is unsure of whether my claim is true or not? That there HAS to be a cop if there is a miller? Because this obviosuly isn't true. It does exist of games with a miller and no cop...
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:36 GMT
#994
I'm getting very suspicious of s0lstice. He didn't really comment on anything at all about the lynch except for saying that Vayne was town, yet didn't defend him at all. Like, if you are confident enough that one of the top lynch candidates is town, would you not defend that guy?

He didn't comment on me, WoS or fuba, although he ends up voting fuba without any explanation. All he did was comment on stutters.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:39 GMT
#995
On July 03 2013 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 03:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
I don't get it Ray, is your thing against Marv the fact that he is unsure of whether my claim is true or not? That there HAS to be a cop if there is a miller? Because this obviosuly isn't true. It does exist of games with a miller and no cop...

Yeah with MYLO on D2?
I'm no master of balance and I don't feel like discussing it all too much but the fact that we are able to claim our names and be semi confirmed town just like that is kinda good for town, don't you think? We really saved us two misslynches yesterday with my and JJD claim...
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:43 GMT
#998
On July 03 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lazer can you show me even one mini game where scum have 2 KP and there were miller(s) but no cop?
Probably not. And I don't feel like searching.

Can you show me a game with 2KP and there were miller(s) but no cop and the ability to semi confirm yourself as town by claiming your role? Because that is the relevant question in this case I'd say.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:45 GMT
#1001
Rayn, what ya think about Solstice? You've barely mentioned him this far.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:47 GMT
#1002
On July 03 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 03:43 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lazer can you show me even one mini game where scum have 2 KP and there were miller(s) but no cop?
Probably not. And I don't feel like searching.

Can you show me a game with 2KP and there were miller(s) but no cop and the ability to semi confirm yourself as town by claiming your role? Because that is the relevant question in this case I'd say.

wtf? How is that relevant? I am saying there is no millers and no cop.

Weren't your point that Marv shouldn't doubt my claim had he been miller?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:54 GMT
#1007
On July 03 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lazer, if you were a miller in this game, would you doubt an uncc'd cop? Why?
I don't care about solstice atm, i care about convincing townies to lynch marv because he is 100% scum.
Well, I wouldn't consider him confirmed town, if thats what you are thinking. Just like I don't consider Marv confirmed town just becasue I'm cop. The fact that you think this is alignment indicative is really stupid.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:54 GMT
#1008
On July 03 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 03:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, what ya think about Solstice? You've barely mentioned him this far.

Is this a question you present to your scumread?
Do you think solstice/me are more likely scum than marv?
Lol, I think you are town -.-
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 18:58 GMT
#1010
On July 03 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 03:54 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 03:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, what ya think about Solstice? You've barely mentioned him this far.

Is this a question you present to your scumread?
Do you think solstice/me are more likely scum than marv?
Lol, I think you are town -.-

Ehh.. then why do you say "You've barely mentioned him this far."?
Why does it matter to you if i have mentioned him or not if you think i am town?
Townies usually do not mention people who are not their top suspects often.
Because you barely had mentioned him this far...

If I think youre town but aren't looking in the right direction, why wouldn't I want to change that?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 19:04 GMT
#1013
On July 03 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see anything scummy in Solstice's posts. His interactions with marv make me think he is even more townier than before.
But aren't you basing everything on that Marv is scum then? Drawing conclusions between unflipped players are dangerous...If you disregard Marv what do you think of him? His action during teh lynch etc?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 19:16 GMT
#1018
Am I the only one who find it insanely ironic that Rayn is getting shit stormed like mad D1 because he didn't react to the miller claim from "the PoV that town should have done", yet he is all over marv becuase he didn't react to the cop claim from "the PoV that miller should have"?

Seriously Rayn, pull your shit together...
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 19:19 GMT
#1021
On July 03 2013 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 04:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
Am I the only one who find it insanely ironic that Rayn is getting shit stormed like mad D1 because he didn't react to the miller claim from "the PoV that town should have done", yet he is all over marv becuase he didn't react to the cop claim from "the PoV that miller should have"?

Seriously Rayn, pull your shit together...

I didn't even bother with all that shit D1 honestly.
Should I go back and try to sift through it? I doubt Rayn is scum.
No please don't, Rayn is most likely town. My point is that he is stupid, not that he is scum.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 19:45 GMT
#1027
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore...
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 19:51 GMT
#1030
On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 04:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore...

What's wrong with my thought process?
Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour?
I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 20:02 GMT
#1036
On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore...

What's wrong with my thought process?
Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour?
I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct?

Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see.
I'm sorry, I may be retarded and missing something but what I see is marv swaying the lynch from me/fuba to Vayne and me buddying marv for doing so.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 20:13 GMT
#1043
On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 05:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore...

What's wrong with my thought process?
Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour?
I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct?

Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see.
I'm sorry, I may be retarded and missing something but what I see is marv swaying the lynch from me/fuba to Vayne and me buddying marv for doing so.

This is what i see.
- marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into
- i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos
- he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense"
- you come in with a last minute case on vayne
- marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead?
First off. There was no case. I said he was scummy because of stuff.
Secondly, at least I thought that we had one extra hour (which we did get in the end...) so marvs comment wasn't really that last minute.
Thirdly, marv couldn't possibly just think Vayne was more scummy?

If fuba ends up flipping red I agree that marv looks really bad for this, but untill then I don't read too much into this.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 20:26 GMT
#1051
On July 03 2013 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 05:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore...

What's wrong with my thought process?
Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour?
I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct?

Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see.
I'm sorry, I may be retarded and missing something but what I see is marv swaying the lynch from me/fuba to Vayne and me buddying marv for doing so.

This is what i see.
- marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into
- i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos
- he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense"
- you come in with a last minute case on vayne
- marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead?
First off. There was no case. I said he was scummy because of stuff.
Secondly, at least I thought that we had one extra hour (which we did get in the end...) so marvs comment wasn't really that last minute.
Thirdly, marv couldn't possibly just think Vayne was more scummy?

If fuba ends up flipping red I agree that marv looks really bad for this, but untill then I don't read too much into this.

The main point is that marv asks who should he read. When i tell who to read (and Vayne gave pretty much same suspects), marv does not read those suspects, instead he votes with one of the suspects!! How the fuck does that make sense if you have not caught up with the thread?
Yhea but Marv claimed that he didn't think I was scum and then I still think it makes alot of sense. He could obviously be faking at as scum but it comes down to WIFOM at that point.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 20:31 GMT
#1057
On July 03 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:

Show nested quote +
First off. There was no case. I said he was scummy because of stuff.
Secondly, at least I thought that we had one extra hour (which we did get in the end...) so marvs comment wasn't really that last minute.
Thirdly, marv couldn't possibly just think Vayne was more scummy?

If fuba ends up flipping red I agree that marv looks really bad for this, but untill then I don't read too much into this.


WTF! YOU HAD BEEN CALLING HIM SCUM FOR ALL GAME! AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF "STUFF"????
scum.
Are you dumb? how is this alignment indicative? I displayed several things in his play that would indicate scum play, however that does not make a case.
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