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On July 02 2013 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I buy Fuba's explanation. It could have come from him even if he was scum. The thing that bothers me is, as i have said, that he is changing my mind based on what you said. First Fuba understands my thought process, then you say something different, Fuba goes "yeah in addition to that rayn can't think marv is town just because he claimed 5min into D1". Like, what is his original thought process? If that is not the reason why did he originally thought i bought the claim as i posted right after i saw the claim? He has yet to explain that, he just has said "that's certainly not what rayn did". The difference was the extent to which I believed you find him town. At the beginning, my thought process was "townies can trust miller claims, he has shown his reasoning, I can believe town rayn believes that to be enough". Once vivax pointed out how much easier it would be to fakeclaim, the fact that your town read on marv, who had said nothing but "I'm miller" and "I've fakeclaimed miller before", was unphased made me feel strongly that your townread on him was much stronger than it should be. I'm really starting to doubt that scumread, though. Partially because of the events surrounding the lynch. Rayn seemed far more suspicious of me than of vayne. This is important because although my explanation of the time difference in the post was true, it could *easily* have been shrugged off. Despite this, he switches to vayne. I would expect scum to be more... self-conscious than this. True, if he's scum then he just switched from townie to townie, but it's the appearance behind it that makes me change my mind about him. I think scum rayn would have been more insistent on lynching a more emphasized scumread, because he knew he was lynching a townie either way. The other thing is some of the recent posts about rayn. This, in particular, feels like it's full of confirmation bias: On July 02 2013 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote: The first post is the tail portion of rayn's list post. He has four scumreads at the time (vivax, myself, WoS, and JJD). I assumed this is what he meant by "too much scumreads", not that he was overflowing with scumreads or something. The second post is about a day later, after a flip and I believe two claims (though I didn't check when those claims were). He's given some reasoning for doubting those original reads, and says he needs to reread stuff to reevaluate, because he finds almost everyone townie in some way. I don't see what's so strange about that since I did it probably about 3-4 times in Roulette.guys guys I see. If this doesnt wanna make you lynch rayn, nothing will. The reason I feel that is important is because that post popped out to me as wrong. Like, it completely supports the end result if you're already assuming that rayn is scum, but is otherwise misconstrued. It made me think about it myself and question if the one scumtell was enough to overpower the things that should be townie, like his activity/thread presence and his emotional response to being tunneled by vivax and oats (and then me, though I imagine I wasn't much pressure). That, with what happened around the lynch, make me relatively confident in a town rayn. | ||
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On July 02 2013 08:00 Stutters695 wrote: Well I'm off work. Catching up since I missed multiple pages. Oh, and before I forget, is this another promise of action that you've neglected? | ||
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On July 02 2013 21:11 marvellosity wrote: Hi fuba. I want you to talk to me about your scumreads. Firstly rayn. Am I to understand that the basis for your scumread on rayn is the idea that not posting my role PM makes my roleclaim more unreliable? I'm not entirely sure I understand this, given two millers in a game this size seems quite unlikely to start with. Do you think a mafia-marv in this scenario takes the risk of claiming miller straight off the bat, crossing my fingers as to regards role names, or am I hoping for a 1-for-1? Am I hoping to argue there are two millers? I'm asking all this because it seems like it's basically the only basis for your scumread on rayn. Is there anything else I'm missing? I'm not really sure what your scumread on Stutters consists of; you twice mention he's playing like some townie from another game (Vayne in roulette...). It seems you think your case rests on your disagreements with the points he's made, but I'm not finding any significant narrative within those posts as to why he's actually mafia. Can you explain the contradictions + differences and why they make Stutters mafia? My point was that it's ridiculous at that point to have such a sure townread on you. You've made two posts, saying you're miller and that you've previously fakeclaimed as miller, and that's it. I can't tell you why you would fakeclaim so early, as I don't have access to all of the information that scum marv would have had at that time. There are multiple possible factors, which could or could not play a role in such a decision. But the fact is, I don't see a fakeclaim as all that dangerous a step if you've realized that a name claim would likely favor you since you've already said you'd be missing (other guy will possibly claim his name before you, if he even exists). Then there's the fact that as town I don't think most people would expect you to live passed N1-2, which is about how long you could probably muddle the thread for even if town decided it was between you and a counterclaimer (I originally found this situation to have roughly equal payoff to just playing the game out normally, but it's occurred to me that if we have a vigi we could have possibly just shot you N1 if we ended up lynching the counterclaimer). Best case scenario, you're the only one to claim miller, and you're "confirmed" for a while despite your absence from the thread for some portion of D1. These are possibilities that pop into my head, and without you actually posting, I ultimately didn't see how someone could take the claim as such a sure thing without actually knowing that you're town already. As for stutters, I'm getting really fucking irritated having to repeat myself about the vayne thing. I know for a fact I've explained it at least twice already. I AM NOT COMPARING HIM TO VAYNE. I AM COMPARING MY EARLY READ ON HIM TO MY EARLY VAYNE READ IN ROULETTE. I thought it would be a simple comparison for people who were actually in the game/read the game, but apparently it's just really fucking confusing to people. So that read was basically this: He did things that were potentially scummy, but not damning in themselves. It was the amount of instances that I found most suspicious. The fact that he then responded to my later post, saying it's "pretty fucking scummy" with only the portion about him and ignoring everything else, tipped the scale. He later makes a case involving the entire post, but only after I point out how the only thing he found suspicious was stuff that he either misinterpreted or misconstrued as me both calling him scum and comparing him to a townie from a completely unrelated game (an explanation that he apparently just completely ignores). He suddenly finds more about the post scummy after I point out how all the scumminess in the "pretty fucking scummy" post was stuff I wrote about him. His original post was incredibly defensive, and he then wrote a bad case in an attempt to invalidate what I said about his earlier one. He also says he'll respond to me/wait for me to respond/etc but I've had absolutely no reaction from him about my responses. Oh, and the differences/contradictions I mentioned were that he apparently accepted my read on vayne in Roulette (where he was town) but suddenly it's scummy to have such a read when it's directed at him. | ||
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Fucking fuck. Was in the process of answering the questions directed at me when I realized why I've been so confusing. I left what I already wrote, because it shows when I realized my screw-up, and hopefully at least shows some of my reasoning while I was confused. Holy fuck, what is wrong with me. So here's what's happened... I posted my response to his first post with this post. I then continued reading the thread, and got to his case, where my stupid mind stored it after my previous response to him. So every time I was considering him, it was from the mindset that he completely ignored my response and kept accusing me without cause, which kept increasing my suspicion of him. The early "vayne-like" post was regarding his aggression to rayn, his indecision regarding laser, and his interpretation of WoS's early french posts as suspicious, when I found them to just be random, fun, early game posts. I actually assumed they were irrelevant, so I really still haven't translated them. The "vayne-like" post added in stutters being pretty defensive, as well as suggesting that we look elsewhere but not actually suggesting someone else, really. It's not until his first case and vote against me that he feels reasonably scummy. He calls it scummy as fuck and then comments only on the part about him (which was either misinterpreted (scum or town) or misconstrued (scum)). He goes on to make another case the next day using the same exact post, which is really, really weird as town. If you think a post is scummy as fuck, and you have reasons to find every aspect of it scummy, why would you not write it all up the first time? It's like he realized his mistake, then tried to correct it after the fact by showing how scummy the entire thing is, when most of the points he makes are just as much useless fluff as my post about marv was. Even if the "vayn-like" confusion was truly a misunderstanding, adding in the rest of it shows he was uncomfortable with the original case. And finally, trying to ignore the ordering of posts I convinced myself was the case, he *still* hasn't actually responded to any of my posts. He apparently doesn't care about the answers to his questions, and hasn't answered any of the ones I've asked (even if my ordering was all garbled up, there was still no response). Therefore, I still think stutters is scum. I also see that rayn's had exactly the same thoughts about marv's response to WoS's question as I did. Feeling really confident about my change of heart about him now. I had this written out in notepad, and it's actually pretty hilarious how perfectly marv's response fits into it: ============================== Facts: marv miller claim, laser cop claim marv and laser both town: legit marv lying and laser cop: legit marv miller and laser lying: Doesn't make sense to fakeclaim cop after a legit miller claim. both lying: legit Laser can be scum only if marv is lying. ============================== Narrowed it down to the what I found to be the most basic statement you could make given the four scenarios, and the end result was the bottom line. Since it's highly likely to be suicide to fakeclaim cop after a legitimate miller claim, marv shouldn't be suspicious of laser if he was, in fact, miller. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuba why is WoS not mafia? He seemed to have the same reaction as we did to marv's claim. Though he disagrees that marv's practically guaranteed scum, he does agree that it's likely. What made you think that I was leaning town on him? I didn't think I'd actually mentioned it. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Why is this true if scum got fakeclaims like marv suggested? Hmmm, so the situation you're suggesting is scum have a cop safeclaim? Similar situation happened in Doctor Who, but marv seemed to think that it was ridiculous for them to just be told basically "there is no cop", and it made a lot of sense. IIRC, he (or maybe someone else? can't remember exactly) pointed out how while other hosts will give out blue role safeclaims, they should have to request which role they'd like a safeclaim for, which wouldn't do anything in this setup because everyone already knows the role names. Straight-up telling scum that there's no town cop in this setup basically hands them free miller claims AND the cop role. That seems like it would be really overpowered, especially with scum already having 2kp. My initial reaction is that this would actually pretty much confirm lazer as town when marv flipped scum. Thoughts? Can you think of a situation where marv is town and lazer is fakeclaiming cop? It seems like that would be either free claims for the scumteam, or basically an extra kp, both of which would just make the scumteam more powerful. Gah, just refreshed. You guys are posting so much. I need to get in the shower, since I have plans in an hour. Don't think I'm gonna be around for the daypost since it was pushed back =/ I'll try to get computer access somehow, but I wouldn't count on it. | ||
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To make up for the Vayne lynch a bit (that came way too close for me :S), I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one, since this setup makes massclaims really likely, and it feels like it's gonna be really hard to walk that line between town and scum. Oh yeah, marv, I thought I responded to your questions in my nested post. You asked what the contradictions were, and I answered it, and you asked what the "possibly scummy but sometimes townie" elements of stutters' filter were, and I answered that too. Lemme know if there's something else I missed. And if you could actually comment on what I wrote, that'd be great, instead of doing what everyone apparently does with my posts and skimming it, saying nothing, and pulling it out when they're strarving for scumreads. Also, though I didn't have time or necessarily the inclination to comment on it before, I'm pretty reasonably convinced you're town. Rayn's later posts about you were giving me a similar feeling to the post by oats I brought up earlier regarding rayn himself. There was an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on that even I could see, and I agreed with him that in that situation it was scummy for you to be suspicious of lazer. I also think your responses were in line with townie marv. I can't explain away the main reason for the scumread, since I still think the logic is for the most part sound, but with the clusterfuck of claims this thread's become at the moment, it's hard to analyze anything clearly. It *is* clear, however, that there's something fishy going on with the claims, though I cba to find out what it is at the moment. I haven't slept in almost 48 hours, my brain is slowing to the speed of a snail, and I almost passed out | ||
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On July 03 2013 17:20 Oatsmaster wrote: KNEW IT How does your role work fuba? And what do you think of Gumshoe and solstice? I win when town or scum wins, and I can jail (which is all in the op, btw). Gumshoe's hard for me to read (not his play, though that's an end result, just the writing itself). I still haven't had the time to look through his filter. Every time I wake up there's 10 more pages to read. The push on JDD for saying he'd lynch anyone else before himself was still really, really suspicious, but that's only a part of his play and I haven't been able to filter him. s0Lstice said something really weird last night, but I can't remember what it was atm. Remind me about this and I'll search for it once I've finally caught up. On July 03 2013 20:27 marvellosity wrote: Don't 'we' at me. Saying WoS is a bad lynch doesn't make him a bad lynch. Does remind me though. fuba, this is what I wanted answered: Answered that, too. I don't remember everything that's said about everyone in every game ever. I actually don't remember most of the things said by people in the game I'm currently in, which is part of why it takes me forever to post (that and both free-time issues and abysmal analytical reading speed). I found stutters suspicious, he did something suspicious multiple times in the thread, I pointed it out. Don't see how that's weird. On July 03 2013 20:19 Lazermonkey wrote: Are you guys experienced in fuba's play? because I'm having a hard time not wanting to lynch him right now actually... He doesn't actually care about the lynch at all... He talks about why he is not scum, talks about about why Rayn is scum and then changes his mind regarding Rayn. He thinks stutters i scum. But none of these are relevant for the D1 lynch basically. It was a WoS/me/him and then also Vayne. Yet he basically says nothing about any of these 3. He gives a really simple explanation of why WoS is town when he is called out for it. Votes Vayne cuz...? He comes in claims survivor and then what? Nothing. No scum hunting no nothing. ##Vote: mkfuba07 You know my role claim, and you don't see why I wouldn't care about the lynch? As long as it wasn't me, I had no major reason to care who ended up dying, aside from simply wanting to be right. My only two scumreads were rayn and stutters****, and it didn't seem like anyone else was willing to look at them at that time. I still haven't given extensive thought to WoS, because I always come back to a hundred more posts, with 50 more building up while I'm reading. I thought since he saw what rayn and I did about marv regarding lazer, he got townie points. His availability throughout most of D1 was way worse than it was when I'd played with him once before, so it's perfectly reasonable for his play to suffer because of this. And the reason I voted vayne is really, really obvious if you were following the thread at the time, so I don't know why you even bring that up. There's nothing in that second paragraph that indicates anything about me but that I've been pressed for time this game. And your last paragraph is really blowing my mind, to be honest. Yes, I had just gotten home. I had not slept in 2 days. I was passing out at the keyboard, and I knew that I needed to claim before I went to sleep, since I would be asleep for *at least* half a day after that. How is that not reasonable from any alignment, and why did you completely ignore the explanation just to make me look scummy? I'll also point out that his post came three hours after I said I'd be sleeping. THREE HOURS. Who would expect anyone to wake up three hours after they've gone to sleep, even ignoring how long I'd been awake for? Should I have waited until now to claim? I wouldn't have come back to a unanimous vote against me, right? Or did you just pounce because you knew I'd be gone for half a day? On July 03 2013 20:47 Lazermonkey wrote: Even then, if we wait untill night, we will get much more info from it. If he is lying then scum will have to shoot suboptimally and if he is town, scum will then have to decide to either hold a shot or just accept the fact that he is 100% confirmed town once there is 3 shots. And they can't roleblock him, because then I'll get to check someone. And if they shoot both of us, then congratz, you've just lost both of your most suspicious townies right away! This post... what is going on in this post? The reasoning makes no sense as town. If WoS is scum he could just claim being roleblocked again. More importantly, laser completely ignores that if WoS is town, scum could roleblock WoS, shoot lazer, and then shoot someone else if scum isn't lynched today. Why isn't lazer afraid of being shot N2, when that's exactly when he would be shot if he was really a parity cop? He doesn't seem to consider a situation where he's killed tonight, which would be the most likely scenario on my mind if I was him. The fact that he says "3 shots" instead of "an extra shot" also seems off, because he seems confident that we're not lynching scum today. ****That was the s0Lstice post I found so weird. He says he wanted to lynch stutters, then calls me out for trying to show how scummy stutters was being. What the fuck? Then he points out JDD pushing for gumshoe, and how I could have been a big help in pushing that given my clearly poorly-considered scumread on gumshoe at the time. I believe he actually said "an immense help". I don't remember anyone else but JDD being all that interested in gumshoe at the time, and I was sticking with my strongest scumreads, which I'd actually given thought to. I was confirmation biased into rayn at the time, but it was really clear no one was voting for him. So I kept trying to get people to see why stutters is so scummy. My point is, s0Lstice says I'm scummy for not helping to push for gumshoe's lynch, when he shows *in the very same post* that he could have done the same exact thing with my push on stutters. Why is that, s0Lstice? | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:59 Lazermonkey wrote: Phoneposting Just thought of something, why does survivor-fuba claim so late? Wouldn't it make much more sense to claim right away? Scum claiming survivor would be afraid to claim though, because the real survivor could abuse that and out that scum player. The survivor should be much less scared of claiming, you are never going to get shot really. And sure, you might get scared,of town wanting to lynch you, but if we decided to mass claim then you are forced to claim no matter what. And claiming anything but survivor as survivor is as stupid as it gets. Yhea, we really should lynch fuba I guess ^^ Because, as I said, I wasn't fucking there. It would make more sense to claim right away, but I couldn't. Also, it made much more sense for us to follow the claiming plan rayn laid out, but everyone else completely ignored that. And claiming survivor is little different than claiming miller, except you can't be too townie or scum will shoot you (you effectively become a town power role), and you can't be too scummy or town will lynch you (because duh). I don't see how that's not risky. | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:55 Stutters695 wrote: Well I want to believe WoS because I still think Fuba is scum. I just don't understand fake claiming there. Why would scum be out to get him on d2 when all he has to do is talk his way out of a lynch today/defend fuba and mislynch into a n2 win by not blocking? What incentive does scum have to kill him here? Of course you want to "believe" him, he's your scumbuddy. You STILL haven't responded to anything I've said the entire game! It's fucking infuriating. You can't say "he's been so fucking scummy" when I tell you outright why I wasn't, and you just fucking ignore everything I say. How does no one fucking see this? You're clearly next, but for now: ##Vote: WaveofShadow Really don't know what they're trying to pull, but clearly WoS is gonna fakeclaim. I suppose I know which team I'll win with, now. Wasn't gonna jail tonight either, try to keep myself from being shot, but I guess they've decided to trade me to try to get WoS another day. Can't wait to be "confirmed town", though. | ||
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Look at the flow of the thread up until he posted his dramatic/cryptic "to town/to scum" post. Thread sentiment is flowing pretty strongly towards a WoS lynch despite his vigi claim. What's the only role other than scum that a player would be reluctant to claim? And who was unable to be here at the time of the mass claim? Fuba the survivor. Just look at how completely convenient it is for him in this situation. If it wasn't for me being late to claim, and it being me who was doing it, he would have had to stick with his vigi claim and likely get lynched. WoS can talk circles around me any day, so he doesn't have to worry about me putting up a fight that he can't handle, and WoS is more than capable of acting townie for half a day to secure a mislynch (sorta) and an extra KP. Actually, it'll be two additional KP, because the next day will be spent lynching him. It also reduces the discussion for today to little more than the two of us, something that Roulette taught me is really shitty for town. The vigi claim was a last resort, but the survivor counterclaim was a opportunistic godsend. The scummiest thing I've done all game is not be available. That is the case against me. I've responded to everything stutters has said, and he's conveniently failed to care about any of it. I've answered all of marv's questions, and they've been ignored or uncommented on as well. My questions towards others have been ignored. It's really frustrating that I'm suddenly more suspicious than the fakeclaiming scum because I happened to be unavailable at the time of the mass claim. I didn't act any differently this game than I would have as a vt, because when I'm town I always last until the end of the game anyway (got vigi'd once, was sad). The claim didn't seem like a big deal to me because at that point, it wasn't. I'd had more than enough time to consider it since the idea of mass claiming had been brought up. All it meant was that I was going to have to keep acting like myself, but tell scum I wouldn't bother them. I really didn't expect a scum counterclaim, but it makes sense given the situation. | ||
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On July 04 2013 11:10 gumshoe wrote: Also Fuba was kind enough to say this much. We have two survivors, one is playing remarkably passive considering how desperate his situation is, and is trying to come off as town. The other is doing everything he can to somehow survive both factions. One is telling us the game setup is effectively broken(no fake roles), yet 2 scum at least managed to snag they're claims with pretty much no difficulty. Hes aware of this despite the fact he should have no way of knowing what if any roles scum received. The other one is telling us the game was paused and nearly shut down for an actual reason... go figure. Oh and both chose not to use they're power, really guys? Powers are they're to be used XD. Thats null though. it's pretty clear now that Dandel Ion forget to hand out fake roles or something of the like in light of the huge early game kerfuful. WOS's story makes sense as crazy as a lot of it sounds because hes in a crazy position and it's a crazy game, so it is what it is I guess. Fuba on the other hand is pretty much saying- "nothing to see here fellow human". I'm sorry Fuba ) : you got caught in a terrible position (having to claim miller) and similar to WOS, you had to make the best of it by stealing survivor. Sadly your still scum / : we are town, we lynch who we must. I invite anyone to argue why Fuba makes more sense as survivor in light of the events that have shaken the very foundation of the game. So both of us stole survivor? How 'bout that. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:12 s0Lstice wrote: uuuugh I have such an aversion to this claim analyzing stuff. fuba...did you start the game with the intention to play pro-town? My town play *is* survivor play, but with half the win conditions. My main motivation is not to be mislynched first, then finding scum. So you could say that this game I intended to play like a townie, but wouldn't mind if scum won. But this game moved faster than I was able to keep up with. Every second of my free time went towards catching up, and I've still never been able to go back and reread anything. Feel like answering the question I asked you earlier? On July 04 2013 12:13 gumshoe wrote: Hes survivor, when you saw survivor was untaken you took it, because the alternative was miller claim, which is terrible. You claiming Survivor was not a god send to him, him leaving survivor open was the godsend to you. You know what, you're not the issue right now. But when WoS flips, I want town to remember that. On July 04 2013 12:24 gumshoe wrote: You mean not contributing? Only responding when they're is a case against you? Not scummy at all. No, I mean not fucking being here. As explained above. Everything that's been said about me is a direct result of lack of time. And what the fuck do you mean you removed the "whine and wifom"? You removed the explanation for why scum WoS would counterclaim me. It's significant because it's my perspective on the situation, and you ignored it. Whats changed your opinion on role claims Fuba? The only recent confirmation has come from WOS, but if hes scum, then why would he tell us that? Are you saying hes telling the truth in some regards? Were you lying about role claims originally? Also why the fuuck would survivor, the hardest role in this game(If you dont understand this your not town), not receive a secret role as well? Did WOS piss Igrok off before this game started? Why are you defending whats clearly a retarded position that you supposedly have to hold. You should be the one complaining seeing as your in the roughest spot, instead your what? Convincing us that third party isn't hard? Dont piss in my ear and tell me it's raining scum. Because he clearly had a fucking safe claim? My god, how can you not see that? I think he *did* have the vigi fakeclaim, but it wasn't turning out as expected, so he jumped on me. Yes, surprisingly scum can tell the truth, especially when the truth is obvious. I'm not town. I can't tell you why there was no safe claim for me (possibly because the only unclaimed role is miller?), and I didn't find the game all that difficult without one until this fakeclaim shit started. And again, as I explained above, I play every game as a survivor that only wins if town wins. Survivor isn't all that much harder for me than town. I just had an extra power that I didn't end up using and would show up as german to cop checks. | ||
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On July 04 2013 13:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah bullshit man. Dr Who? Also, why are you not happy that WoS outed himself? How is it bullshit? And what would make me happy about it, other than being confirmed if he flips first? It's not like town needs to win for me to win the game, I need to live. His fakeclaim has pretty much reduced my chances of winning by 50%. | ||
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On July 04 2013 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Because Ive never seen you play survivorish as town. You are happy because he is fakeclaiming and YOU KNOW IT. YOU KNOW IT. but it doesnt seem like you have justice on your side, not like WoS posting. I don't even know what that means. You don't even have another survivor game to compare this one to. And yeah, I KNOW IT. You know who doesn't know it? Everyone else in the game. As it turns out, that's who matters. Fact remains, the thing that made me KNOW IT is the reason I'm up for lynch today. It's the reason I might lose the game, so why would that make me happy? | ||
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On July 04 2013 14:14 gumshoe wrote: Ok, I meant to go to sleep, I also meant to be nice to you seeing as your situation sucked. But wtf is this if he so clearly had a scum claim. The first quote proves you had all the information then that you have now, you were aware of WOS's claim to vig. The second has you believing they're are no fake claims. The only thing thats changed since then is that your claim is now at odds now with WOS (WOS's post means nothing to you seeing as you should be of the opinion that everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and no matter how much you try you will not convince anyone that scum would receive fake claims while third party wouldn't), your ass on the line is the sole reason for this grotesque flip flop. Your finding us stupid is essentially like a scumy looking townie calling everyone bad for not realizing that they're actually town, a fact only they know because of just how terrible they are. Except your not a bad townie, your godawful scum. Get the fuck out of here, you wanna ad homonym me on a hypocritical basis I will in tern bury you verbally and laugh as red scum blood soaks through the softly sifted dirt to a bright green surface world upon which a parade is held by town in celebration of your death, and no not in the Irish way that involves celebrating someones amazing life, I mean a ding dong the witch is dead sort of celebration. I am utterly done talking to you, see you at the flip. Lastly I just want to say if third party DOESNT have a secret role, then one extra setup role is just sitting they're belonging to no one, dangling in mid air. OCD says nope. If you don't know the difference between believing and knowing, then I have absolutely nothing to say to you. | ||
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