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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 11:27 GMT
#2065
Talking about day 1. Those being day 1 votecounts and all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 11:29 GMT
#2066
Although it does raise the question, if Lazer was happy to be voting fuba late day 1, why was he so against the idea on day 2?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 11:47 GMT
#2068
On July 05 2013 20:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
hes on fuba 3rd.
which made me confused.


There was no-one on fuba before the 2nd round of votes came in, so he was 2nd on the renewed wagon.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 11:55 GMT
#2070
Spoilerd Day 1 votecounts for reference:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2013 04:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
Votecount:

Stutters (2): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (2): Oatsmaster, Vivax

Not Voting (7): Stutters, VayneAuthority, gumshoe, marvellosity, mkfuba, solstice, JarJarDinks

Stutters currently set to be lynched. (tiebreakorz)
Deadline in ~25.5 hours

Voting thread 2013 always remember


On July 01 2013 12:20 marv wrote:
Votecount:

Stutters (2): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (0): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (2): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (3): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet
mkfuba07 (1): Stutters
gumshoe (1): JarJarDrinks

Stutters currently set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~17.5 hours



On July 02 2013 04:49 marv wrote:
Votecount:

Stutters (2): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (1): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (1): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet, Stutters
mkfuba07 (0): Stutters
gumshoe (1): JarJarDrinks
LazerMonkey (2): VayneAuthority, Stutters

Stutters currently set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~2 hours



On July 02 2013 05:56 marv wrote:
Votecount:

Stutters (2): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks
raynpelikoneet (1): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (0): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet, Stutters
mkfuba07 (0): Stutters
gumshoe (0): JarJarDrinks
LazerMonkey (4): VayneAuthority, Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Vivax
VayneAuthority (2): Lazermonkey, marvellosity

Lazermonkey currently set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~1 hour



On July 02 2013 06:06 marv wrote:
Votecount:

Stutters (1): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks
raynpelikoneet (1): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (0): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet, Stutters
mkfuba07 (4): Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, Vivax, s0lstice
gumshoe (0): JarJarDrinks
LazerMonkey (2): VayneAuthority, Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Vivax
VayneAuthority (2): Lazermonkey, marvellosity, mkfuba07

mkfuba currently set to be lynched.
Deadline in just under 1 hour



On July 02 2013 07:00 marv wrote:
FINAL Votecount:

Stutters (1): raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, WaveofShadow, s0lstice
WaveofShadow (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks
raynpelikoneet (1): Oatsmaster, Vivax
JarJarDrinks (0): gumshoe, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet, Stutters
mkfuba07 (1): Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Lazermonkey, Vivax, s0lstice
gumshoe (0): JarJarDrinks
LazerMonkey (2): VayneAuthority, Stutters, raynpelikoneet, Vivax
VayneAuthority (6): Lazermonkey, marvellosity, mkfuba07, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Lazermonkey, JarJarDrinks

VayneAuthority was lynched.



Day 2 votecounts:

On July 04 2013 00:00 marv wrote:
Votecount:

marvellosity (1): Vivax
Lazermonkey (1): WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (2): gumshoe, marvellosity
mkfuba (2): Lazermonkey, Oatsmaster

Currently WaveofShadow is set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~31 hours



On July 04 2013 02:00 marv wrote:
Votecount:

marvellosity (1): Vivax
Lazermonkey (1): WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (3): gumshoe, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks, marvellosity
mkfuba (2): Lazermonkey, Oatsmaster

Currently WaveofShadow is set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~29 hours



On July 04 2013 10:00 marv wrote:
Votecount:

marvellosity (1): Vivax
Lazermonkey (0): WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (2): gumshoe, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks, marvellosity, mkfuba
mkfuba (5): Lazermonkey, Oatsmaster, gumshoe, marvellosity, WaveofShadow

Currently mkfuba is set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~21 hours



On July 04 2013 20:00 marv wrote:
Votecount:

marvellosity (0): Vivax
Lazermonkey (0): WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (3): gumshoe, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks, marvellosity, mkfuba, Vivax
mkfuba (6): Lazermonkey, Oatsmaster, gumshoe, marvellosity, WaveofShadow, s0lstice

Currently mkfuba is set to be lynched.
Deadline in ~21 hours



On July 05 2013 07:00 marv wrote:
FINAL Votecount:

marvellosity (0): Vivax
Lazermonkey (0): WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (4): gumshoe, marvellosity, JarJarDrinks, marvellosity, mkfuba, Vivax, LazerMonkey
mkfuba (6): Lazermonkey, Oatsmaster, gumshoe, marvellosity, WaveofShadow, s0lstice, Stutters

mkfuba was lynched.


A couple of preliminary comments. Superficially Lazer looks quite bad for switching off fuba when he'd been attacking him for much of the game, but actually he switched at a point it was 7-3 fuba and made it 6-4 fuba. Seems a suicidal move for mafia given the people on fuba were pretty set on fuba. So I think this is actually a towntell to a degree.

s0lstice's vote was again late and pointless.

Same with Stutters. The interesting thing about Stutters is that he himself stated that he had thought fuba was scum all game, but was conspicuously absent for the d1 lynch when fuba actually had a chance for getting lynched.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 11:56 GMT
#2071
On July 05 2013 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
which you cant see on the votecount.


yes you can. Stutters had his vote on fuba. The next votecount fuba has 0 votes. Then he has votes again. You can see it if you use your brain a little.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 13:53 GMT
#2076
On July 05 2013 22:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Not sure how active I can be the next day or so. But a few things.

The dick move analysis is just something I don't feel should be taken into account in a game like this. I didn't really feel comfortable talking about it. Especially since marv was basicly trying to get me to come right out and say that I thought WoS was being a dick.

And like, sure I said yes when marv asked me. But I don't think it says too much about WoS's personally. I just think it's kind of a cheesy thing to do. But I wouldn't all of a sudden be like "OMG I hate you, how could you do something like this?".

And regarding fakeclaims. Why did everyone believe my claim in the first place? What exactly changed everyones mind?


It's just analysis of actions like any other analysis.

For WoS to be mafia, you have to believe what I put to you to be false. You have to believe that WoS would pull shit like that as mafia. That's what you're stating. Saying "I don't want to talk about it" when it's both fully relevant and legit is just nonsense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:00 GMT
#2078
Who else is scum? There's one other.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:08 GMT
#2081
On July 05 2013 23:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 22:59 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think WoS is scum and I think it's a cheesy tactic and I wouldn't hate him forever.

You didn't answer my question though.
After playing scum with me and knowing how I play, you really think I would game host actions in my own favour and lie about them?

Also Vivax absolutely refuses to answer my questions to him.

Also I have no idea why I even bother posting but I'm clearly helping town here by asking all these questions. I guess it's just in my nature I guess, can't get away from scumhunting even when I'm not town.


Yeah, JJD you need to flat out answer WoS 'yes' to his face for any of this to fly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:09 GMT
#2083
On July 05 2013 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

PS Marv this is pretty stupid. Why would I make it easier for you guys to lynch me?
Hell I already made it pretty easy for you guys to lynch me.


You're not reading.

Making a save would DRAMATICALLY decrease the chances of town lynching you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:16 GMT
#2086
On July 05 2013 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 23:09 marvellosity wrote:
On July 05 2013 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

PS Marv this is pretty stupid. Why would I make it easier for you guys to lynch me?
Hell I already made it pretty easy for you guys to lynch me.


You're not reading.

Making a save would DRAMATICALLY decrease the chances of town lynching you.

That's not true at all. Getting you an extra lynch makes it easier for you to lynch me so as to remove any of the lingering doubt that people seem to have regarding my non-alignment.


No. It's 6-2-1 now. If a NK goes through it's 5-2-1. At this point it's MYLO, except town can lynch you and we know we won't lose, but if we lynch a townie we lose. We don't have the incentive of reducing KP either.

If you make a save, it's still 6-2-1. And we have no incentive to lynch into you at all because it's not mylo.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:23 GMT
#2089
On July 05 2013 23:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
On July 05 2013 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 05 2013 23:09 marvellosity wrote:
On July 05 2013 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

PS Marv this is pretty stupid. Why would I make it easier for you guys to lynch me?
Hell I already made it pretty easy for you guys to lynch me.


You're not reading.

Making a save would DRAMATICALLY decrease the chances of town lynching you.

That's not true at all. Getting you an extra lynch makes it easier for you to lynch me so as to remove any of the lingering doubt that people seem to have regarding my non-alignment.


No. It's 6-2-1 now. If a NK goes through it's 5-2-1. At this point it's MYLO, except town can lynch you and we know we won't lose, but if we lynch a townie we lose. We don't have the incentive of reducing KP either.

If you make a save, it's still 6-2-1. And we have no incentive to lynch into you at all because it's not mylo.

It's not MYLO at 5-2-1.
mislynch--> 4-2-1
NK--> 3-2-1
LYLO
You're assuming I vote with scum at LYLO when I have no clue who they are and can't coordinate.


It is MYLO. At 3-2-1 you say "we can guarantee victory for both factions if we vote together" and the game is over.

Stop being obtuse.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:26 GMT
#2091
On July 05 2013 23:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I assume you vote with scum at lylo if they claim

Given how they've played so far I don't know if I'd trust that.
What's to stop town from fakeclaiming mafia at that point if it comes down to me winning/losing the game for someone?
Hell it might not even be over at LYLO if you consider what roles are left (if they truly exist).

Sorry town. It's night and right now mafia are in control and I don't feel like dying (though I'm pretty sure I will anyway).
You may as well treat me like a very unhelpful VT for now.
So....Grush?


Um, because the townies want to vote for mafia and the mafia want to vote for a townie and it'll be really obvious?

Looks like the safe option is to lynch you tomorrow after all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:30 GMT
#2093
JJD looks terrible for shit like:

On July 04 2013 01:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Well whatever he is, he isn't town

##vote: WoS


This was after he'd spent all of his posts telling us lynching fuba was the right play. fuba at this point is still definitely not town, and yet he puts his vote on WoS instead of fuba.

This was also exceptionally dodgy:

On July 03 2013 02:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I agree w/ rayns assesment and also agree that vig should shoot into lazr/marv tonight


On July 03 2013 06:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK I'm flip-flopping again and don't think vig should shoot @ marv/lazr tonight. I'm actually kinda upset that all this was brought up cause was totally gonna post @ the deadline that there's no way marv and lazrr should be alive after tonight. But now that's all wifom.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:31 GMT
#2094
On July 05 2013 23:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
On July 05 2013 23:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 05 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I assume you vote with scum at lylo if they claim

Given how they've played so far I don't know if I'd trust that.
What's to stop town from fakeclaiming mafia at that point if it comes down to me winning/losing the game for someone?
Hell it might not even be over at LYLO if you consider what roles are left (if they truly exist).

Sorry town. It's night and right now mafia are in control and I don't feel like dying (though I'm pretty sure I will anyway).
You may as well treat me like a very unhelpful VT for now.
So....Grush?


Um, because the townies want to vote for mafia and the mafia want to vote for a townie and it'll be really obvious?

Looks like the safe option is to lynch you tomorrow after all.

Probably always was since mafia don't have 2 KP anymore.
Hence the 'I'm fucked' attitude.
Had to save myself by getting scum lynched and now town has the advantage so they kill me with it. Pretty simple.

I have zero guarantees that me using my JK to help town won't get me lynched at a later date and if I DO start using it to help town, scum treats me as town JK and offs me.
Pretty simple.



Fucked.


You have zero control over scum shooting you, but quite a good chance of getting town not to lynch you. It's pretty simple.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:33 GMT
#2095
By the way, if scum shoots you and not a townie, scum are giving town an extra mislynch.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:35 GMT
#2096
In other words, not a chance scum are going to shoot you when killing a townie gets town into MYLO.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:36 GMT
#2098
Who said you had a guarantee? It's just basic logic that if it's MYLO compared to not-MYLO, we have very little incentive to lynch in to you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:36 GMT
#2100
That should be the other way round, but yeah.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:37 GMT
#2102
On July 05 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, if scum shoots you and not a townie, scum are giving town an extra mislynch.

I'm well aware. Technically both teams should be ignoring me right now but I can't exactly count on either of you guys to make the mathematically right play now, can I?


The mathematically right play is for scum to shoot town.

If scum get their shot through, mathematically it's a pretty decent play to lynch you. If scum don't, mathematically it isn't.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 14:41 GMT
#2105
On July 05 2013 23:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On July 05 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 05 2013 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, if scum shoots you and not a townie, scum are giving town an extra mislynch.

I'm well aware. Technically both teams should be ignoring me right now but I can't exactly count on either of you guys to make the mathematically right play now, can I?


The mathematically right play is for scum to shoot town.

If scum get their shot through, mathematically it's a pretty decent play to lynch you. If scum don't, mathematically it isn't.

But is it the BEST play?
No, it isn't.
That's why I can't trust either of you guys right now.


It is the best play if we don't have a guaranteed scum lynch.

You're spouting bullshit on the basis that you expect agents to act irrationally. That's just nonsense.

Rationally scum will not shoot you, and town will definitely not lynch you if you make a save, but could well lynch you if you don't.

There's only one scenario where YOUR action makes a difference.
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