On July 06 2013 10:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not totally convinced in the JJD case guys. Especially combined with solstice. Was it a bus? Im inclined to think differently, therefore solstice and JJD arent on the scum team together.
Oats, process of elimination, Marv is town, Lazers makes his claim highly likely and no one else has claimed miller, wos is survivor, please dont fight me on that, I'm town, vixax is town or scum is retarded, and your town because of your actions yesterday. this leaves, jar jar, solstice, stutters. Of the three solstice jar jar just makes the most sense. Stutters isnt scum going by his actions and his part in the near day 1 fuba lunch. If you want you can try and convince me why you are scum(your the only not cleared by common sense, i read you as town because of your actions) Otherwise this is in the bag. Dont over complicate it over a feeling.
On July 01 2013 23:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: Might as well post my role now. I'm Pfc. Michael Zimmermann
Not sure if that helps me but hopefully the fact that there wont be a counterclaim and that fact that mafia would probably pick a blue role to try and draw out a PR makes my case better.
I dunno man. this post.
Fake claims are in game man, ignore that shit. Judge him by his actions.
man mass claims break the game. I think its clear that Mafia dont have a rb now. ##vote JJD
Could also be that wos rbed the scum player who had the rb. Might be what he was talking about. Oh and yeah mass claims are a bit op but I think this scum team is pretty mediocre to be honest.
On July 06 2013 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Oats, process of elimination, Marv is town, Lazers makes his claim highly likely and no one else has claimed miller, wos is survivor, please dont fight me on that, I'm town, vixax is town or scum is retarded, and your town because of your actions yesterday.
On July 06 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: I think its clear that Mafia dont have a rb now.
So do you think one of the blues left (or WoS) are scum? Or are you saying that you believe that mafia got no power roles whatsoever in a game with 3 blues and a 3rd party JK?
Ok jar jar, seeing as I'm the only read they're you have a problem with, I'm going to make this very easy on for you, convince we why solstice is scum(he's one of your biggest scum reads, remember?). I can't speak for the rest of town, but if you make a good case, I'll cast my vote on him.
Then the following day town can lynch me, if I'm scum hooray, town wins, if I'm not, I take you with me, town wins anyways. If you choose to abandon your solstice read or choose to now think stutters is scum when you were his defender for ages, then I need you to admit you've been wrong for 90 percent of this game. In which case I hope you don't expect anyone to still listen you even on the off chance that you do actually prove to be the worst townie in tl history.
On July 06 2013 22:31 Stutters695 wrote: By process of elimination the only possible claim he could have had would be Miller. Claiming Miller after the first hour is not a get out of jail free card.
Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had?
Like Who do you think is scum right now stutters? Even if you think I am, there has to be another person in the game that's scum right? So wouldn't Fuba have had that persons role to claim?
Because I don't know right now so I'm focusing on what I do know and I'm proving my innocence. But I am still looking into it. Apparently you don't know who's scum either since you're voting for a townie.
Stutter last post is pretty strange. Like shouldn't he be thinking in terms of there being another scummie in the game that faked a claim? WHy would he say that miller was the only option?
And Marv, please tell me the flaw in my logic above. Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why?
Welp, you've done it. You've taken your read off Solstice for no good reason and you've reneged on Stutters, pretty much like I was sure you would. If your actually a townie you need to admit that your a terrible player, right now. Also I never said Stutters was your scum buddy, that dude hates you and Fuba, I think you knew he was town, and made it clear you knew so that when he flipped, not the least likely possibility, you could let everyone know just how right you were. In fact you could really use the Stutters flip right about now, it would make you correct about something at least. It'd be like giving a pool noodle to a man drowning in the middle of the ocean, but still better than nothing right?.
Whatever though, lets go through it. You havent mentioned Oats so we can leave him out. Who are the potential scum teams? Me and WOS? My starting suspicion was WOS day 2 in case you forgot, are you saying I set out on day 2 to try and make sure one of my buddies got lynched? Yeah nope. How about Wos and stutters? Same thing, why work so hard to lynch a teamate. WOS and Solstice? Maybe, it's the only one that COULD work. But why then havent you looked into him? He and you were the only non confirmed who didn't agree with my theory yesterday. Sol eventually came around but only after the wagon gotta rollin. So here we are, back to my deal. Convince me why SOL is the better lynch than you.
You wont of course, because hes your scum buddy, you have no where left to turn Jar Jar, they're isn't an endless pool of fishy players you can reach into in hopes of taking the focus off you and your buddy. Were a few fish in a barrel at this point, and two are marked red. You can keep looking for inconsistencies, or technicalities, but when you've supposedly been wrong about so much all the time why should we listen to you at all? "Because I'm town guys! Cmon!" just isn't going to cut it.
Now unless your willing to make the case against Solstice (and I dont understand why you wouldn't as town, hes looked scummy to us and you) I hate to say it Jar Jar but...
On July 06 2013 23:03 marvellosity wrote: I don't think you're scum because claims, I think you're scum because I don't believe your WoS read, I don't get why a townie would be asking why gumshoe looks townie, I don't like how you passively agreed with rayn's theory to retract it weakly later, I don't like how you went from pushing fuba to just dropping it for WoS.
If you're town and you can't find scum or at least demonstrate a townie thought process (which is primarily where I think you've fell down, repeatedly) then we're gonna lose today.
On July 06 2013 22:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: Fuba didn't fake claim on day 1. Why?
Same question to everyone else.
a) Fuba received the miller claim, and didn't want to throw himself into the fire so early in the game, which ended up working because Vayne was lynched, not him.
b) Scum only received they're claims after the pause. In which case Fuba claiming miller would've looked terrible.
c)Dude was super afk
d)combination of the above.
This at the least is plausible. It does not fly in the face of reason considering the circumstances of this game. Am I right 100 percent? No, but neither are you. Therefore we treat claims as null. Make a case based on peoples posting and relation to Fuba. Back to the question then, why should we lynch Solstice instead of you.
Sorry if this off topic, I wont derail the thread past this, but whats the best scum move/game on tl? Im talking something like actually only firing one shot so that vivax can claim vet good XD
On July 07 2013 02:49 gumshoe wrote: Sorry if this off topic, I wont derail the thread past this, but whats the best scum move/game on tl? Im talking something like actually only firing one shot so that vivax can claim vet good XD
I wouldn't call something like that the 'best' move. I'm sure there are some games where people have gone all YOLOscum and done something incredibly derpy to try and make big plays but as far as I can tell every game I've ever been in scum have made the 'right' moves.
Giving up essentially the only night scum had 2KP to 'confirm' Vivax as vet is possible, but EXTREMELY unlikely. Would probably require a marv/vivax scumteam for that to happen which would be one hell of an epic win for them. I wouldn't follow that train of thought if I were town though, but I'm not so it's not like it REALLY matters to me if that's true or not.
I dont even remotely think Vivax is scum, I just wonder if they're are any games where scum won because of a move like that.
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