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On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP.
Actually this is a good point. Vayne explain.
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Also FT, did you notice MZ did the same thing with different words.
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I will explain the similitaries behind MZ and Vayne:
On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU!
Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash.
First there is this. This is horribly wrong. What loses town high KP games is that people like Chezinu are allowed to get away with this kinda shit. Nuking someone (whatever kind of nuke you have) without a reason is anti-town. Period. MZ is already saying we should not suspect Chezinu, hell he is not even saying we should question him for his terrible nuke. Why?
Chezinu: possibly town, don’t really feel like arguing with the jubjubs about this one.
Verdict: Possibly Town
Here is his read on Chezinu later. How the fuck is Chezinu possibly town?
6. How in the fuck is Chez possible town? This game is practically exactly the same as LX?
I called him possible town in a reaction to the people calling for his death. In my mind he's more likely town than scum, especially since he's hinting that he was forced to launch a nuke. I'm really not interested in killing him today. Although you may have a point that I'm missing since I don't remember LX very well (was I even in it?).
MZ is straight up buying Chezinu's explanation. Still Chezinu has not explained why Xatalos over all people.
On July 08 2013 11:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Well chez appears to be dead so all you chez haters can now hop off the train and talk about Dandel with me.
Straight up buying Chezinu's explanation that he is going to die.
On July 08 2013 16:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Chez already answered his nuke.
I think I should look over NG since several people have mentioned him recently.
Alakslam is just a terribad noob, no need to kill him.
I'm tired, good night.
Chezinu NEVER answered the most and only important question. "Why did you nuke Xatalos over all the other people?"
Now, how the fuck is this any different from this:
On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch.
Don't get me wrong here. I am not saying either of these guys are sure scum. In fact MZ will most likely flip town if he actually flips. I don't even know if Chezinu is scum, but he is damn scummy if he does not give reasonable reason for nuking Xatalos and not anyone else instead!!! What i want to know is why people think MZ is not scummy because of this, but Vayne is? That's a contradiction in itself, because they are saying exactly the same thing - they are giving Chezinu a town read for exactly same reasons.
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On July 08 2013 17:58 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't think MZ's defense of Chez is comparable to Vayne's. MZ's defense is considerably more muted and only came after the nuke on Chez. Considering MZ has also been nuked and has posted a lengthy list of all of his reads, I don't think he warrants our attention today.
Wait wtf. Has someone nuked Chez?
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves.
This is something i wanted to comment on earlier but forgot.
Ace i think you are misunderstanding me; I was trying to say if you are town and launch a nuke you should claim it even if the nuke is silent. This way we know that every nuke not claimed in thread when launched is from mafia (that seems to be the case with the nuke on MZ).
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On July 08 2013 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote: NG
NG is scum.
He says both WoS and vayne are scum then votes Onegu for being bad. then he gets into rayns face for NO Reason. This guys scum guys To expand on this, this set of quotes: Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2013 05:58 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:On July 08 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2013 05:43 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:On July 08 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nirvana.Gabo why is Onegu your target and not me? I happened to notice Onegu's posts in the past few pages and I didn't notice yours. Ahh so you don't read the whole thread and just vote reactionary? Is this the behaviour you are going to follow the whole game? I didn't say I didn't read your posts noob Now you are making zero sense. Elaborate please. NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine. Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all? When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer. scum.
NG elaborate on this please.
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On July 08 2013 19:46 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2013 17:58 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't think MZ's defense of Chez is comparable to Vayne's. MZ's defense is considerably more muted and only came after the nuke on Chez. Considering MZ has also been nuked and has posted a lengthy list of all of his reads, I don't think he warrants our attention today. Wait wtf. Has someone nuked Chez? He was fake nuked by xata, he says that is why he fired back in his own roundabout way.
And this is perfectly fine reasoning to revenge-nuke yes?
On July 08 2013 20:09 TanGeng wrote:
Dang. I didn't get around to checking before the day 1 nuke deadline.
I guess dead man walking? Yay.
Based on the assumed deadline, johnnywup has a day 1 nuke? And considering on the setup, unless multiple nukes explode at day 1, this probably makes johnnywup town. If multiple townies die from not firing day 1 nukes then johnnywup is scum. There might be the play to launch now and claim an early deadline but that just doesn't make sense.
Now. I resort to prayer.
I can't understand anything of the bolded. Explain.
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From what has been said in thread until now i want to lynch Chezinu/NG. I don't buy Chezinu's "explanations" as i have told, and noone has still told me why io am wrong in my post where i explained my view from scum!Chez and town!Chez perspective. Hell, he hasn't done that himself. For NG i have given my reasons. I think those two are our best lynches atm.
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On July 08 2013 20:58 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 20:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2013 20:09 TanGeng wrote:
Dang. I didn't get around to checking before the day 1 nuke deadline.
I guess dead man walking? Yay.
Based on the assumed deadline, johnnywup has a day 1 nuke? And considering on the setup, unless multiple nukes explode at day 1, this probably makes johnnywup town. If multiple townies die from not firing day 1 nukes then johnnywup is scum. There might be the play to launch now and claim an early deadline but that just doesn't make sense.
Now. I resort to prayer. I can't understand anything of the bolded. Explain. Day 1 time limit. If Chezinu's unstable nukes then why not johnnywup. Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 14:09 johnnywup wrote:
Guys. I don't have much time left. I need to nuke someone to live. I'm getting a scummy read out of TanGeng. He's one I feel is most likely scum... So there you go.
Are you saying (assuming johnny and Chez are telling the truth about "hot-potato" nukes) that there might be townies who have the same kinda role and did not fire theirt nukes but rather suicided? Or what does this mean; "If multiple townies die from not firing day 1 nukes then johnnywup is scum." And how exactly does this make johnny scum?
And if "multiple nukes do not explode", how exactly does this make johnny town?
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On July 08 2013 22:02 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 20:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From what has been said in thread until now i want to lynch Chezinu/NG. I don't buy Chezinu's "explanations" as i have told, and noone has still told me why io am wrong in my post where i explained my view from scum!Chez and town!Chez perspective. Hell, he hasn't done that himself. For NG i have given my reasons. I think those two are our best lynches atm. You might be right about Chezinu, but IMO there are too many unanswered questions about him, his nuke etc. to pass judgement yet. For all we know, it might even be a passable time-bomb or something like that (Vayne suggested that I think?). If I do indeed detonate, come deadline, you have my permission to tunnel him to death  I can agree on NG. His vote for Onegu felt more like a throwaway scum vote than actually caring if he's scum or not.
That's why i said he needs to claim whatever it is after nukes can be no more sent in (which is now). Or his reasons for nuking you from all the people.
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On July 08 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
guysss I have a 1shot anti nuke thing. so I can shoot down nukes
Which nuke do I destroy!.
Im currently going with the xalatos one because Chez scumread is stronger than Johnny scumread ESPECIALLY since johnny seems to be posting, I feel that I can get a more confident read on johnny later. Also chez has never ever ever explained why xalatos past CHEZINU RULE. I dont buy it. Nope.
Discuss.
Shoot the nuke on Xatalos down. He is obviously town.
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Okay, after reading the last page i dunno. Maybe it's better that the nuke on Xatalos lands. If he does not die, gratz, we got a vigi. If he does die, Chezinu looks terrible. Xatalos can't be mafia working with Chez like this, there's no way he would have claimed that as mafia.
I suggest we lynch NG. Anyone in?
Because if Chezinu's nuke is some type that "helps" people, as there apparently are people who gain something from nukes, it makes sense to shoot it towards a townie.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Nirvana.Gabo
Here's the case:
On July 08 2013 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote: NG
NG is scum.
He says both WoS and vayne are scum then votes Onegu for being bad. then he gets into rayns face for NO Reason. This guys scum guys To expand on this, this set of quotes: Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2013 05:58 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:On July 08 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2013 05:43 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:On July 08 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nirvana.Gabo why is Onegu your target and not me? I happened to notice Onegu's posts in the past few pages and I didn't notice yours. Ahh so you don't read the whole thread and just vote reactionary? Is this the behaviour you are going to follow the whole game? I didn't say I didn't read your posts noob Now you are making zero sense. Elaborate please. NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine. Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all? When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer. scum.
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Okay Oats. I understand you need to go to bed, that was probably the best possible thing you could do.
The problem is that Xatalos is kinda vanilla now. Unless some townie has a radiation nuke. If you do, launch that towards Xatalos the first thing on D2 if he is alive.
I'm not giving Chezinu a "free pass", he still needs to explain himself. There is plenty of time before the lynch. I would have like Oats to clarify from hosts does the anti-nuke block only KP or all the effects. Apparently all, and given that i would definitely defend Xata over Meapak. There is still a chance scum launched a fake-nuke on their scumbuddy Meapak. Imagine what it does. First of all you gain town credit. Second, you become "unlynchable" for the phase. Like, "why would we even look at that guy who is going to die either way".
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On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game.
I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit.
Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG.
Best possible idea everest! GO!
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Also back to basics.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Chezinu
Ace's idea is terrible. Of course everyone has a scumread at the end of the day, unless they are scum.
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On July 09 2013 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well shit, Rayn's on board.
DONE DEAL LADIES.
Is your action gonna be announced in thread?
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Is Ace scum? That's like saying it's OK to vote for no-lynch without actually voting for no-lynch...
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Damn WoS, i just came up with a better idea. You should have sent the nuke back to Chezinu. Maybe that would make him talk.
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On July 09 2013 01:54 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
this is the best news I will get all day lol.
also gratz on the zealot jampidampi thanks So should we lynch Chezinu for not explaining his nuking properly?
Yes we should.
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This lynch looks so bad and we should be lynching Chezinu.
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EPT
