EPTOn July 12 2013 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
Nevermind, VA voted for jampidampi. Hmm..
Nevermind, VA voted for jampidampi. Hmm..
What do you think our best course of action would be if jampi flips town?
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What do you think our best course of action would be if jampi flips town? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:41 Xatalos wrote: VA, how were you suddenly convinced on jampidampi? Seems like some meta reason but.... It's just sudden. It's actually extremely convenient. At first I was shocked, but now I'm starting to realize that it's probably a move to bus him. Still, he did say that geript shouldn't defense the nuke on him, so I'm still skeptical. Even if Vayne is town, that doesn't mean jampidampi is town as well. It does make it a bit more likely, but I'm not sure if it justifies a Maju lynch. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:44 Alakaslam wrote: What is happening is you can be wrong more often than you realize. You have been missing connections more often recently, that is what motivates my vote on you. My realization that this can happen to town too is why I moved it. Even if my reads are wrong, that doesn't make me scum. I would like to remind you that I think you are confirmed town. Would you like to dispute that read as well? Didn't you say you found Vayne suspicious basically the whole game until around 10 pages ago? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:48 Koshi wrote: @FirmTofu In your world there are 12 scum players. I think it is safe to say that your reads are wrong. I have only accused: Vayne Ace jampidampi WoS<--- I no longer think he is scum I am now starting to form possible scum reads on you and geript. I have many reasons to accuse multiple people at once. 1) It gets people talking 2) It makes people angry, forcing mistakes 3) It makes me look pro-town to town 4) It draws attention to me These are not characteristics of scum. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote: If jampidampi flips town, please do nuke MajuGarzett (at night preferably). If jampidampi flips scum, nuke someone else. But don't nuke someone else without consulting us first. (looks at geript) | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:20 Xatalos wrote: I also think that strongandbig is the most likely fakeclaimer among us Immune Ones at the moment. What I don't understand is his motive for claiming if he is scum. I'm going to take a look at his votes on previous wagons and form a new read on him. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Also stutters. Why not stutters. This is an excellent choice as well. I forgot about him. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote: This is an excellent choice as well. I forgot about him. Actually stutters may not be the best choice. It looks like he was on the Dandel lynch. It's possible he was bussing, but is it likely? I'm not entirely convinced. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:30 Xatalos wrote: I'm going to sleep now but final words for Ace: Just nuke MajuGarzett. It's not just the fact of him being scummy (especially after jampidampi's flip), but maybe equally important is how productive D3 will be. If MajuGarzett lives, (most) everyone will just vote for him and D3's activity, quality contributions, arguments, effort put in by various players..... Everything pro-town will be severy reduced. The same might have well happened during D2 if XigXag hadn't been nuked by Sentinel. We might have just all agreed to vote for XigXag in the end, destroying all the great activity we had with the jampidampi/MajuGarzett/VayneAuthority arguments. If there isn't one scummy player on whom everyone agrees on, it becomes much, much harder for scum to sheep/bus and townies will be more easily distinguished from scum. Just do it!  I can support this. | ||
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OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Dandel Ion (8): strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, jampidampi (12): MajuGarzett (3): Day 1: OriginalName vs Dandel Ion We know the alignments of both people. We can infer that scum would probably not want to be bussing on day 1, when it is not absolutely necessary. Therefore, the people on the Dandel wagon are extremely likely to be town and the people on the ON wagon are probably around an even split between town and scum. The scummiest people on the ON wagon are those who pushed it to save Dandel from death. That includes me, but because I know I am town, I will exclude myself from this analysis. Remember, the deciding votes are especially important. In my opinion, these are are people coming off as scummy from the ON lynch (from most scummy to least): ghost_403/Koshi Alakaslam gumshoe Onegu geript Chezinu austinmcc Alakaslam is a funny one. He initially hopped on the Dandel lynch when he thought it was inevitable. Then, when it looked like ON was picking up steam, he hopped on that lynch. Finally, when the lynch was imminent, he jumped over to Vayne to appear like he had nothing to do with the mislynch. It feels like he knew what the flip would be beforehand. Day 2: This day is a bit harder to analyze. We know that Maju is somewhat more likely to be scum because of the flip but we can't be certain. People coming off as scummy from the jampi lynch (from most scummy to least): Onegu Alakaslam ghost_403/Koshi geript (gumshoe for not voting) These are basically the people that couldn't decide one way or another until the lynch was already decided. They just jumped onto the wagon with the most votes and hoped that no one would care. This signifies apathy and is somewhat suggestive that these players are trying to more concerned about staying in the town's "good books" as long as possible instead of scumhunting. I no longer think Vayne or Ace are scum. | ||
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My new top 3 scumreads are: Onegu Alakaslam ghost_403/Koshi If I had to add two more people, I would say gumshoe and Chezinu. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:38 WaveofShadow wrote: People seem to forget something. The people on the DI lynch are far from clear. Vayne should know this, but a scum Dandel ACTIVELY encourages people to bus him. I can link proof from Les scum QT if you wish. I think the best bet for scum bussing Dandel is SnB. What do you think? | ||
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What do you think of Onegu, now that the flips happened the way they did? Do you think he is less likely to be town-aligned? | ||
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You've been talking a lot about Austin and SnB. Could you give your thoughts on exactly you are concerned about with SnB please? Where would you place him on your reads? | ||
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On July 12 2013 10:01 Z-BosoN wrote: I didn't put him in cause I have to go over him carefully. He's much more relaxed this game than I remember him, but isn't particularly helpful and I remember I felt his "thoughts on the rayne claim " be totally out of place. His claim also felt very out of place, especially given that he's avoided all the major discussions so far (like Ace pointed out). It feels like he is pretty lazy this game, but I'll have to check carefully to see if it's mafia-oriented or not, right now I've had enough of mafia. Anyways, what do you disagree on VA? You seemed to think him scum earlier... what changed your mind? About VA, I'm not convinced one way or the other. His voting patterns don't really make sense from a scum perspective. His play this game has been scummy, but I'm not sure I can label him as scum with the information I have at hand. If I recall correctly, he voted for Dandel as well. Like I said, I reserve the right to change this opinion. | ||
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On July 12 2013 11:28 Alakaslam wrote: Tofu sorry about delay. Had to meet with my boss... Onegu is more likely to be town by association due to the flip by like 2% but yes. "Irreverent"... Hehehe I post  at ppl all the time  But yeah, it's for lack of knowing what to do. I'll try to get better, I just struggle and struggle with knowing what to do. I have a much easier time making townreads than scumreads. But the Scumreads are more important. Here is my opinion on who is town fwiw, in no particular order: Ace Geript WoS tofu Onegu zboson Chezinu Xatalos Oatsmaster uonseintenal strongandbig CaucasianAsian and maybe Austin. Don't worry Alakaslam, you are playing well. I have a few questions for you. Why do you place me on your town read list? The flips should incriminate me, not exonerate me. You found me scummy during Day 2, so why don't you still find me scummy? Why is Onegu more likely to be town by association? He voted both ON and jampi who both flipped town. Can you explain why you see Onegu as more town? I'm curious as to why Xatalos is not on your list. Did you simply forget to include him or do you see him as scum? | ||
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