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so were back to Roulette I see.
Is Ace or Stutters scum, hurpadurpa
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You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind.
you guys are forgetting stutters claim. This completely contradicts that claim. One of Ace or Stutters is scum or both.
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On July 14 2013 13:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:38 geript wrote:
It's simple. We lynch him with fire like I've been saying already. We don't trust Stutters which means the nukes a fake, or we don't trust Ace which means he has ulterior reasons for launching the nuke. Either way Maju needs to die and the surest way of that is lynching him. Is it possible that they're both town?
No unless some one is gamethrowing and why would we consider that
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Unless I am understanding the role wrong, it is similar to other roles ive played with in the past. You are informed you have a nuke (like Ace was) but it doesn't actually do anything so you can discern people's motives without them actually getting to nuke. This goes against that since a nuke was actually launched
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On July 13 2013 07:11 Ace wrote:
##nuke MajuGarret
lets get this outta the way
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On July 14 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:
I really dont understand why give it to ace if he had ace as town, why wouldnt you give it to a scum and see where it is aimed?
Well there's quite a few scenarios
A. Ace is scum and using this to further the scum agenda closer to lylo, he did this in roulette successfully.
B. Stutters as scum gave Ace a nuke to garner towncred/trust but then when it doesn't work he changes his role to re-align with what ace said. Then Ace realizes the mistake which stutters didnt. This seems like the most likely scenario.
C. Both scum bussing eachother which makes very little sense since it would be fucking obvious after the other doesn't die at night.
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On July 14 2013 13:51 Ace wrote:
Stutters could be Town but only if the nuke is fake. If it really does kill Maju, then Stutters lied about his role. Lets just wait and see.
His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that
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On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:52 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:50 Onegu wrote:
I really dont understand why give it to ace if he had ace as town, why wouldnt you give it to a scum and see where it is aimed? Well there's quite a few scenarios A. Ace is scum and using this to further the scum agenda closer to lylo, he did this in roulette successfully. B. Stutters as scum gave Ace a nuke to garner towncred/trust but then when it doesn't work he changes his role to re-align with what ace said. Then Ace realizes the mistake which stutters didnt. This seems like the most likely scenario. C. Both scum bussing eachother which makes very little sense since it would be fucking obvious after the other doesn't die at night. D 1 Stutters is town and was telling the truth and gave town Ace a fake nuke to see what he would do with it. (No fucking clue why) 2 Same as above but Ace is scum ---> ends up being same as A. If you're going to consider options, consider all of them, including ones that don't fit your plan.
D is same as A -_-
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On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:51 Ace wrote:
Stutters could be Town but only if the nuke is fake. If it really does kill Maju, then Stutters lied about his role. Lets just wait and see. His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that dud = shit that doesn't work
no.
You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless.
compare that to Toy Store, they are clearly different. One says that you can make a nuke that launches but might be a dud, while toy store only says it gave them a nuke in notifications but doesn't actually launch.
What are you trying to hide?
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On July 14 2013 14:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:51 Ace wrote:
Stutters could be Town but only if the nuke is fake. If it really does kill Maju, then Stutters lied about his role. Lets just wait and see. His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that dud = shit that doesn't work no. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. compare that to Toy Store, they are clearly different. One says that you can make a nuke that launches but might be a dud, while toy store only says it gave them a nuke in notifications but doesn't actually launch. What are you trying to hide? Where does it say it doesn't actually launch? It says it doesn't work. That's pretty ambiguous but I take it to mean the same thing as being a dud.
Ok I will try to explain it
You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind.
The role ends at target player being told they received a nuke. thats it. You do not actually make real nukes.
You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless.
Compare that to this. Choose nuke and player. Player will be told he received a nuke. NUKE WONT ALWAYS WORK BUT WILL APPEAR REAL.
see? that is the difference. One claim ends at the role PM, the other goes on to say that the nuke will actually appear as real in the thread.
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On July 14 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 14:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 14:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:51 Ace wrote:
Stutters could be Town but only if the nuke is fake. If it really does kill Maju, then Stutters lied about his role. Lets just wait and see. His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that dud = shit that doesn't work no. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. compare that to Toy Store, they are clearly different. One says that you can make a nuke that launches but might be a dud, while toy store only says it gave them a nuke in notifications but doesn't actually launch. What are you trying to hide? Where does it say it doesn't actually launch? It says it doesn't work. That's pretty ambiguous but I take it to mean the same thing as being a dud. Ok I will try to explain it You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The role ends at target player being told they received a nuke. thats it. You do not actually make real nukes. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. Compare that to this. Choose nuke and player. Player will be told he received a nuke. NUKE WONT ALWAYS WORK BUT WILL APPEAR REAL. see? that is the difference. One claim ends at the role PM, the other goes on to say that the nuke will actually appear as real in the thread. Alright assuming you're right about this (I don't 100% buy it, but whatever) You then assume Stutters to be scum, correct?
I would be 100% sure if Ace didn't fuck us in roulette -_- just the fact that I know he's capable of doing that makes it iffy
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On July 14 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 14:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 14:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 14:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:51 Ace wrote:
Stutters could be Town but only if the nuke is fake. If it really does kill Maju, then Stutters lied about his role. Lets just wait and see. His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that dud = shit that doesn't work no. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. compare that to Toy Store, they are clearly different. One says that you can make a nuke that launches but might be a dud, while toy store only says it gave them a nuke in notifications but doesn't actually launch. What are you trying to hide? Where does it say it doesn't actually launch? It says it doesn't work. That's pretty ambiguous but I take it to mean the same thing as being a dud. Ok I will try to explain it You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The role ends at target player being told they received a nuke. thats it. You do not actually make real nukes. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. Compare that to this. Choose nuke and player. Player will be told he received a nuke. NUKE WONT ALWAYS WORK BUT WILL APPEAR REAL. see? that is the difference. One claim ends at the role PM, the other goes on to say that the nuke will actually appear as real in the thread. Alright assuming you're right about this (I don't 100% buy it, but whatever) You then assume Stutters to be scum, correct? I would be 100% sure if Ace didn't fuck us in roulette -_- just the fact that I know he's capable of doing that makes it iffy But if what you're saying is true then Stutters has lied about his claim. There is no town motivation I can think of for that which makes Stutters scum 100%.
The first thing I thought of when I saw his few different roleclaims was that he was trying to make a play like rayn did, thats always a possibility. He could have been trying to fuck with Ace but now Ace is fucking with him.
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On July 14 2013 14:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 14:15 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 14:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 14:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 14:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 14 2013 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 14 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
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His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that dud = shit that doesn't work no. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. compare that to Toy Store, they are clearly different. One says that you can make a nuke that launches but might be a dud, while toy store only says it gave them a nuke in notifications but doesn't actually launch. What are you trying to hide? Where does it say it doesn't actually launch? It says it doesn't work. That's pretty ambiguous but I take it to mean the same thing as being a dud. Ok I will try to explain it You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The role ends at target player being told they received a nuke. thats it. You do not actually make real nukes. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. Compare that to this. Choose nuke and player. Player will be told he received a nuke. NUKE WONT ALWAYS WORK BUT WILL APPEAR REAL. see? that is the difference. One claim ends at the role PM, the other goes on to say that the nuke will actually appear as real in the thread. Alright assuming you're right about this (I don't 100% buy it, but whatever) You then assume Stutters to be scum, correct? I would be 100% sure if Ace didn't fuck us in roulette -_- just the fact that I know he's capable of doing that makes it iffy But if what you're saying is true then Stutters has lied about his claim. There is no town motivation I can think of for that which makes Stutters scum 100%. The first thing I thought of when I saw his few different roleclaims was that he was trying to make a play like rayn did, thats always a possibility. He could have been trying to fuck with Ace but now Ace is fucking with him. So you think it's possible that after being caught with the real roleclaim he THEN lied and is not a Toy Store. Alright I suppose I follow but that is some convoluted shit right there. There is certainly some 'really fucking unlikely' going on there, and I don't think it's on the same level as Roulette at all. What do you think the correct play is, Vayne?
The correct play is to consult the hosts but since its a strictly closed setup the second best action is probably to leave it untouched right now and see what Maju flips or if he even flips at all. It should be something we talk about tomorrow not today
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Lynching outside of the situation, not lynching MG. that is my stance
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ill be on Chezinu, dude is scum. It's not a coincidence that he would vote for ON and not dandel to save himself, the case is in my filter somewhere. 95% sure.
#vote: Chezinu
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On July 15 2013 02:13 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, scratch the silent nuke stuff. My action resolves at the same time a nuke would be made, so me raiding someone means they'd still have any nukes they made.
Raided VA N1. So the silent nukes implicate him, not stutters. Stutters role PM still looks fake, but the silent nukes line up with a raid being successful on VA.
I don't follow, how does raiding me implicate that I fired a nuke? Especially when I cannot given my claim? I have no powers.
would I receive a notification that I was raided?
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On July 15 2013 02:22 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:21 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 15 2013 02:13 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, scratch the silent nuke stuff. My action resolves at the same time a nuke would be made, so me raiding someone means they'd still have any nukes they made.
Raided VA N1. So the silent nukes implicate him, not stutters. Stutters role PM still looks fake, but the silent nukes line up with a raid being successful on VA. I don't follow, how does raiding me implicate that I fired a nuke? Especially when I cannot given my claim? I have no powers. would I receive a notification that I was raided? I raided you N1, stutters N2. We saw silent nukes D1, D2, nothing D3. IF a raid shut down silent nukes, it would be the raid on you, because a factory still produces a nuke on the night that it's raided. Therefore, if stutters produced silent nukes each cycle/night, he would have one today, as he was only raided last night. If you produced silent nukes, you would have had one yesterday, the one made during D1/N1, but not one today.
That would frankly be OP if there was a scum sided role that got to fire a silent nuke every night. They were probably a 2 shot nuker or something like that. I dont think raiding anyone implies anything.
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mods refused to give me any info on the notification thing, which usually means it has to do with something fishy.
##unvote
##vote: austinmcc
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On July 15 2013 02:56 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
mods refused to give me any info on the notification thing, which usually means it has to do with something fishy.
##unvote
##vote: austinmcc how does that mean that theres something fishy at all? it's a closed setup..
yea and its closed for a reason. So that we can't figure out scum purely by notifications and such. He is scum.
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Alright everyone not on strongandbig we need to consolidate fast, this is looking like another bullshit last second scum mislynch.
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