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Ace
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rayne never moved his vote off of ON which I think paints him in a bad light. Why did you jump off and back on anyway? Also why were you never voting for DI? Your vote started on CA because you thought DI was a possible mislynch wagon and called CA fluff. If you read what Dandel posted to start the game why dont you consider him fluff too? | ||
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Ace
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If I was last here before the lynch, and I come back to see DI is saved and ON lynched, where else would you expect my suspicions to go? Think about this. | ||
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Ace
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Again, this is the same thing I said to geript: just because I singled out rayne doesn't mean I did not think about other people that turned the wagon around. MZ making a case on rayne just added fuel to the fire and made my read on him stronger. If you read my games and my advice in games I host I always advocate to do one thing at a time. Why would I make a case on a bunch of people at night? What exactly would I accomplish doing so? | ||
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Ace
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There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote: To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game. you know I dont do this. I've addressed this in THIS game and in every game I've ever played on this site. Stop it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote: So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 21:28 Xatalos wrote: Maybe you prefer to have a hard-to-read meta instead of helping town if you play town, but that's just stupid and only helps when you roll scum. "I never play pro-town" is no justification. That is not being anti-town. I just don't like confusing the thread with multiple reads. I've even given a few reads already this game when asked. Stop being a dick about my playstyle and I'm tired of people acting fucking dumb about it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 21:30 geript wrote: I don't care what you've addressed where. That doesn't magically make you solve the game any faster. You have to admit to lurking. You have to admit to not pressuring many players. You have to admit to not being forthright with many (if any) reads. Right now you're just and only concerned with how the ON lynch implicates Rayn. That's fine, but you haven't done anything with it at all since last night and your position on it isn't anything more than it was last night (which wasn't that much in the first place). It's not convincing anyone if you don't do shit with it. I'm not lurking. Every time I've been around I've been active. I take a laid back approach and I'm lurking. I take a proactive approach and I;m disruptive. Which one is it? Read my filter - I've given reads. I've made it obvious many times in the past 24 hours where my suspicion lies. You were JUST discussing this with me. But fine, you stay there and be salty. We'll just do this our own way. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl Ace. So as scum i claimed a nuke i did not need to claim when i'm under zero pressure. I also swung the lynch fron DI to ON. Makes no sense from town point of view considering that i have called DI town and ON scum the whole game. Of course it does not make sense, town!rayn could have done nothing but to lynch Dandel, his town read, obviously. Also it was certainly rayn who swung the lynch, actually rayn is posting via Austin about all this stuff why ON is scum, right? So what if you're under 0 pressure? We've seen scum make plays without pressure multiple times. That isn't a legit excuse. MZ was the one who went back and caught you in a lie. You somehow knew MZ was going to catch you ahead of time and set this all up with a fakeclaim of the nuke, to then say it was a gamble all this time? right. | ||
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Ace
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On July 09 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote: Hmm it makes some sense. If Ace and austinmcc were scum together, Ace would go for the opportunity to fling **** at a previous general townread (chaos and mistrust among town) while austinmcc would basically ignore it (wait and see -approach). I can see that being possible. It really is suspicious that he pretty much ignored the whole deal. You seriously can not be this stupid. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 21:38 jampidampi wrote: Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong? I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along? regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here. If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck. | ||
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Ace
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On July 09 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote: Explain why: 1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG 2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure 3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this. 1.) why wouldn't he stealth nuke someone that is probably Town? durr? If he and Chezinu are scum buddies together then doesn't it make sense for him not to nuke him? If rayne's nukes can only be activated by stealth then this is moot as he would never even do so. If you honestly believe rayne has the capability to nuke another player and is Town - then why not nuke Chezinu? 2.) I don't think he actually thought it through well enough or he really believed he could get away with it. Again, MZ was the one who called him out on this. Unless you have a problem with MZ's post, then I don't see why you are over thinking this. Notice that even after he claimed he wasn't under any pressure. So he could very well have been correct in thinking he was safe on it. 3.) I don't understand where this is going. If you are assuming that only Town players will act bold you are acting under a false premise. Here's my thing: Why is the DI/ON lynch not a major deal to you? That was a last minute wagon flip that resulted in a townie lynch. The guy who was going to be lynched got away with a scant post in his defense and disappeared. ON put up a defense and votes weren't moved off of him. You don't see a problem here? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote: So you don't know who the nuke came from after all? Wasn't it just coming from rayn a second ago? Read carefully. | ||
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Ace
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On July 09 2013 21:58 jampidampi wrote: The first point is that if he had a nuke, that post would have lauched it. Forget about reasonings, look at Chez and johnny lauching their nukes. They type ##Nuke: [insert target here] and the nuke is lauched. If Rayn had a nuke, why wouldn't his post have lauched the nuke? Did you even read my post and think about it? If Rayn had a fucking nuke it would have been launched at Xata early D1! That is why couldn't have a nuke at Meapak! Why would you assume his nuke has to be activated that way? why couldn't it be a PM only nuke? | ||
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Ace
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Here's my new thought process. Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this. stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this? Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction. rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here. If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum? | ||
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