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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 13 2013 18:47 GMT
#2830
yeah i want to kill austin. if ace's nuke is the only one flying at maju and we know it's fake, why hasn't someone else nuked maju yet? are we out of town nukes? that would be lame.

anyway i'ma vote austin. I srsly think there were scum behind the original name lynch and they woudl have needed a leader, and austin is that person.

##vote: austinmcc
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 14 2013 16:51 GMT
#3016
I'm down to lynch geript for using his defense on jampi, but I'd rather lynch Austin.

I don't understand why stutters would have given ace the nuke, then told us it was fake, if it was actually real and stutters is scum. That whole concept just doesn't really compute for me, what action would he have been trying to induce by the lie.

If people really think Maju is scum then I don't think it makes sense to let the nuke land "just in case" stutters was lying and it's real. If you think Maju is scum, lynch him. Then lynch stutters if you think him lying about his role is a scum tell. But we know he lied about his role at least once, how does it make a difference if he lied a second time and the first time was actually the true one.

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 14 2013 17:07 GMT
#3029
Hmm that's interesting. So who gave ace his nuke then
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 14 2013 23:11 GMT
#3314
yeah you guys are all dipshits whatevs

idgaf
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 15 2013 01:41 GMT
#3326
On July 15 2013 08:31 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 15 2013 08:11 strongandbig wrote:
yeah you guys are all dipshits whatevs

idgaf

See, the shitty thing about this is we can't even call it scummy because Gumsheo essentially did the same thing but without talking in thread.

Whoever said we can't win when people are playing against their wincon was right.
Not everything he does will be scummy.

But the snb that has been posting and voting this game is not the snb that posts and votes in his town games.


lol u scum

you clearly haven't read my recent town games

i have been trying way harder in scum games recently they are just less depressing
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 15 2013 01:43 GMT
#3328
why were you trying to do a lurker lynch anyway

you need to be trying to lynch active scum at this point otherwise the thread control is just too far gone
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 15 2013 01:43 GMT
#3329
On July 15 2013 10:42 johnnywup wrote:
Maybe your "town" (allegedly) games would be less depressing if you actually tried.


no people are too stupid
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 15 2013 20:26 GMT
#3372
On July 15 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gumshoe why you play like that .

SnB is shitting on lynch, SnB, why did you shit on lynch and not provide alternatives?

On July 15 2013 01:51 strongandbig wrote:
I'm down to lynch geript for using his defense on jampi, but I'd rather lynch Austin.

I don't understand why stutters would have given ace the nuke, then told us it was fake, if it was actually real and stutters is scum. That whole concept just doesn't really compute for me, what action would he have been trying to induce by the lie.

If people really think Maju is scum then I don't think it makes sense to let the nuke land "just in case" stutters was lying and it's real. If you think Maju is scum, lynch him. Then lynch stutters if you think him lying about his role is a scum tell. But we know he lied about his role at least once, how does it make a difference if he lied a second time and the first time was actually the true one.


doing a lurker lynch for no reason was stupid and was probably an idea pushed by scum. a last minute lurker switch on freaking day 3? just shows the town has no momentum to get anything done. probably the town can't get anything done at this point. but the town actually never got anything done in the first place.

that's why austin and probably ace at this point are scum. if they were town and as active as they are being, this would never have happened.

lucky for them that there are apparently no townies who care enough to actually try organizing people.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 15 2013 20:27 GMT
#3374
On July 16 2013 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
Oats is also a lot afk, but Oats is considered town, but I would like to see him more active. SnB is not putting enough time in this game, he could be scum very easily.

lol this is great. So popular opinion dictates Oats is town so I won't try to mislynch him, but SnB is scum for the same reason, and hey magically everyone is suspicious of him too!


haha
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 15 2013 20:36 GMT
#3376
and if you guys still think me being inactive means i'm scum then check this gem of a town filter.
or also mtg mini mafia where i got bored and left marv to play the game by himself.

some games are less motivating to me than others but it's not alignment indicative.

so if you all still want to lynch me then whatever but know that you're stupid for it.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 15 2013 21:32 GMT
#3400
On July 16 2013 05:41 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 05:36 strongandbig wrote:
and if you guys still think me being inactive means i'm scum then check this gem of a town filter.
or also mtg mini mafia where i got bored and left marv to play the game by himself.

some games are less motivating to me than others but it's not alignment indicative.

so if you all still want to lynch me then whatever but know that you're stupid for it.
snb, let's play this game, if you really want to. Here's a post where someone actually went and looked at past games of yours:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 04:58 austinmcc wrote:
strongandbig's reads/notes this game:

scum - Vayne is xatalos if scum, johnnywup, gumshoe, DI, Nirvana.Gabo, Vayne, gumshoe, oatsmaster, oatsmaster again and possible xatalos, DI, vayne, austinmcc, vayne, DI, oatsmaster, DI/vayne/oats/austinmcc, VA/austinmcc, vayne, gumshoe, ace maybe or stutters, austinmcc, geript/austinmcc,

town - ace, rayn, ace, maybe vayne (after DI flipped), maybe maju?,

As I was poking through his filter I noticed how lopsided it was. Everyone and their mother is scum. Ace and rayn are his only townreads, and he ever drops the "why is Ace still alive if he had a nuke and is Ace?" after N2, indicates that ace maybe isn't town. However, despite calling nearly everyone scum, he barely ever mentions maju. First mention of maju is today:
On July 15 2013 01:51 strongandbig wrote:
I'm down to lynch geript for using his defense on jampi, but I'd rather lynch Austin.

I don't understand why stutters would have given ace the nuke, then told us it was fake, if it was actually real and stutters is scum. That whole concept just doesn't really compute for me, what action would he have been trying to induce by the lie.

If people really think Maju is scum then I don't think it makes sense to let the nuke land "just in case" stutters was lying and it's real. If you think Maju is scum, lynch him. Then lynch stutters if you think him lying about his role is a scum tell. But we know he lied about his role at least once, how does it make a difference if he lied a second time and the first time was actually the true one.

in which he...actually doesn't directly address maju himself. He says what others should do based on their feelings about maju.






I wanted to compare that to some recent past games.

Bastard "Mini" (snb town i think)
scum - maybe prome, yamato, zealos, sentinel, prome, zealos,
town - rayn,
3P - palmar

(Game was ended due to lack of people playing. But in his filter there, 4 people scum, 1 town, palmar 3P).

Carnival Cruise (snb scum)
scum - DarthPunk maybe, oats, obviousone (votes after sheeping WoS), either oats or obviousone, hiropro, prome maybe, oats, maybe shirokami or prplhz, maybe sloosh, maybe kush,
town - maybe slOosh and rayn, VE, WoS

Boardwalk Empire (town)
scum - "would lynch" shelvocke/artanis and maybe VE, maybe oo, artanis/shelvocke/VE, oo/shelvocke/maybe MZ, would lynch sinani or oo, oo or sharrant, oo/geript/shelvocke/sharrant, RO/vivax
town - "would not lynch" palmar, keirathi, rayn, MZ, probably sinani, geript, oatsmaster, maybe sinani/mocsta/yamato/vivax/keirathi,

RED Team's Prize (town)
scum - prplhz, maybe acro, would lynch grackaroni/nisani, acro, maybe acro, obviousone,
town - maybe acro, maybe prplhz, hapahauli (snb was one-shot medic and healed him N1),

screw it this is too much snb focus. I'm stopping once i hit this post - + Show Spoiler +
On March 30 2013 07:40 strongandbig wrote:
sinani206
Grackaroni
Nisani201
marvellosity
Oatsmaster
Acrofales
Dandel Ion
Keirathi
raynpelikoneet
strongandbig
Palmar
cDgCorazon
Hapahauli
prplhz
ObviousOne
InsertSmurfHere




The one-sidedness of snb's reads struck me as odd. It's not all of his games, and ymmv, but I personally see MORE townreads (and more reasoning in general) in his town games. In his scum game above, he had 2 hard town reads, a couple maybe town reads, and then mostly scum. In his town games, he'll post a thing of all his town/scumreads with a bunch of green names, have more people he doesn't want to lynch, etc.

(1) Game is easier for scum if they primarily have scumreads, can lynch most anyone. If you give a bunch of townreads, your lynch options are limited and come mid/lategame you have to backtrack on early townreads in order to lynch folks.

(2) I'm not super duper digging again, you can click the links yourself, but I generally found town snb to sometimes be sheepy or...he'd say like "i'll lynch these 3-4 people." In this game, he started that way on D2, giving 4 folks he'd lynch or wanted to lynch, but didn't keep with it like I saw in other games.

(3) I'm town, stutters. But after looking at this stuff, I'm fine lynching into immune ones and going after snb. His posting has been butt, he hasn't been giving much of his own thoughts this game, and he's so scumread heavy.

Surprise. I did that. I went and looked at your games, so stop asking people to go look at your games, and stop saying it's just about activity/inactivity.

I've seen you modkilled/warned for inactivity as town, that's true. But in your town games, and I could go pull a number of other differences, you give your thoughts on people. Some folks are scum, some are town. You may have lazy lynches where you choose 3-4 people and say you'd lynch any, but within this game, you've decided to do nothing but (1) do nothing or (2) call people scum.

Would you care to explain who is town this game and why? Who you just THINK is town?


this is a lot of form and not a lot of content. you write out lists but dont analyze those lists in any way except for your impressions.

also the idea that not having town reads is scum motivated is retarded. town reads are way easier when you're scum because you know who is town, lol. there's no one in this game who i trust as town and think is worth listening to.

oh also regarding the maju thing - i wanted to lynch you. but i also thought townies were being stupid about maju and told them so.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 15 2013 21:36 GMT
#3402
On July 16 2013 06:28 austinmcc wrote:
My main thought about this game is that scum is in a good position, town is not.

Town, in order to win, has to analyze the game and push it forward. Therefore, people who post/analyze/push the game forward are town, and people who don't do so are null/scum.



this is the classic austinmcc trap - "big posts are townie guise"

the reason we're in a shitty spot is most likely because some of the active people are scum. given the TWO times this game that there have been UNREASONABLE and STUPID last minute voteswitches (off DI and on to ON, off you and onto me/gumshoe), it really makes me think scum aren't just maxxing and relaxxing. they are actively exercising thread control.

you can't just get trapped into "activity=town!" you have to look at who is pushing a scum agenda.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 17 2013 14:42 GMT
#3705
I think we should be lunching ace but I've basically given up on winning this game so whatever. It seems like we're lynching mg and I don't care enough to persuade you all otherwise.

##vote: ace
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 17 2013 18:12 GMT
#3753
On July 18 2013 02:30 johnnywup wrote:
he knows ace probably isn't going to get lynched today if he's scum so it won't really affect him and it "distances himself" from Ace. If he's town he's just not contributing and being generally anti-town. I don't know if he's scum or town, but for him there doesn't seem to be much of a difference @_@


lynch ace and let's find out if im distancing myself
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 18 2013 23:18 GMT
#3935
huh interesting that scum would kill geript despite him being one of the top lynch targets. I guess they really want them nukes
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 18 2013 23:23 GMT
#3936
also i guess i was wrong about austin (srry bro) but im glad i got ace right at least.

also also is there seriously only 8 people left? lol
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 19 2013 14:30 GMT
#3945
Joushi that makes sense to me, I'll vote ca.

##vote: caucasianasian
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 19 2013 14:30 GMT
#3946
Deadline is not tonight right? It's tomorrow night?
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