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On July 07 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- If gumshoe was mafia and you town - why would gumshoe tell you, a town player, how to meta-read him better as he has claimed he is always a "wild card" who is unreadable?
- If gumshoe is town and you town - makes sense, you don't waste time on him if you believe him, and he is telling the truth
- If you are both mafia - why say that in thread? actually why would either of you enter that discussion (pointless) in thread?
Here's my problem with this line of reasoning. Because meta is essentially worthless except for forming accusations or putting the icing on a nice big case, I don't think that talking about how to 'appropriately' determine someone's meta is pro-town or pro-scum. Scum can use it as a distration; town can use it to better give information and help solidify towniness. But it's not a way to get a town read imo.
Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d
WaveofShadow
Onegu
Vayne
austin
caucasainasian
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@good guy Chezinu
I have a simple test for you, do you think you can manage that?
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On July 07 2013 18:31 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 18:27 geript wrote:
@good guy Chezinu
I have a simple test for you, do you think you can manage that? Monday, Jul 08 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)We may or may not have time. Time of impacts of these nukes? I do not know. If the nukes work? I don't know. The Day 1 post had impact warnings. You probably as much as I do.
I need you to answer these 3 questions. And you have to be honest on them. Only Good Guy Chezinu is allowed to answer. No terrible inner beast answers.
1. Have you fired any nukes today?
2. Would you like to fire any nukes today?
3. Who would you like to fire nukes at?
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I'm sorry your answers were incomplete. You'll have to correct refile in order to pass the test or else the America IRS might be notified of the the discrepancies which have allowed you to buy a nuke.
1. This answer was complete and has been accepted
2. This answer was incomplete. Are you trying to say that despite the fact that you have fired a nuke today you didn't want to fire a nuke today? Were you coerced into firing a nuke? What led up to you firing the nuke?
3. The Sky is not a "who" the sky is a "what." I know that english isn't quite your native language but you will need to come up with "proper names" for a the "who" that you would like to fire nukes at.
Also, don't forget to sign your name and date at the bottom or else you may not receive credit.
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On July 07 2013 20:12 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that it's too early to call me or gumshoe "supertown" for some small early-game posts. But at least there's a logical reason here, so I'm not bothered about raynpelikoneet's early posts anymore. What I AM a bit bothered about is his admittance that your early pressure on him wasn't scummy after all, yet hesitating on saying how that affects his scumread on you. Why the weird reluctance? Well, I'm leaning town on him now anyway, so it's nothing too major.
Btw geript, johnnywup doesn't appear scummy at all to you?
Meh, I went back and read through LXI and PYP. I'm not all ready to be lovey dovey with Rayn, but I'm ok with him for now.
Not really. Seems more likely to be town by how fast he picked up some votes especially for pretty weak reasoning. I'm going to go with "too stupid to be scum." I mean, I'd love to have him be scum instead of my wubbybumpkin WoS, but I like WoS as scum far far more.
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On July 08 2013 03:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
VayneAuthority: hmm tricky one. On one hand his posts feel very natural and open which is good because it means he’s not hiding anything but on the other hand he’s been useless thus far. He’s another one I’m going to have to wait and see on.
Verdict: Null
Austinmcc: need to see some activity bro :/ I liked it when he was posting but now that it slacked off a bit I don’t like the feeling. If Austin comes back I’ll feel much better, if he stays away I’ll start thinking scum.
Verdict: Null
Alakaslam: For all the pregame spam he had he’s been very quiet now that the actual game has started. That coupled with his little martyr post (watch me be scummy by tomorrow morning) tells me that I should fulfill his prophecy.
Verdict: Possible Scum
Raynpelikoneet: lolscum
Verdict: Probably Scum
FirmTofu: said he needed a few minutes to read the thread, never got back.
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass
CaucasianAsian: One post talking about the thread.
Verdict: Someone vigi his ass
Chezinu: possibly town, don’t really feel like arguing with the jubjubs about this one.
Verdict: Possibly Town
Gumshoe: I actually agree with s&b that gumshoe’s constant talk of nukes is odd but I don’t think it’s damning. Aside from the nuke talk I actually didn’t really have any problems with gumshoe.
Verdict: Possible Town
Johnnywup: Really not as bad as people kept making him out to be. Sure his entrance post wasn’t good but he’s obviously trying and does not seem defensive or inherently guilty. He just looks like any regular noob player who rolled town.
Verdict: Probable Town
A few things.
1. Why does Vayne get a null as compared to possible scum for you?
2. Considering Austin's similarity between this game and PTP, why are you null on Austin instead of scm leaning?
3. Why does Alakaslam's martyring make him look scummy?
4. Explain the scum read on Rayn.
5. Why is FT a good vigi shot especially in comparison to CA?
6. How in the fuck is Chez possible town? This game is practically exactly the same as LX?
7. Why would him talking about nukes make Gumshoe non-towny? Why does he get a towny read as compared to a null read for you?
8. What was bad about Whoops entrance. How does this noob status make him town instead of some of the other newbs like Alakaslam, Onegu, FirmTofu, etc.?
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On July 08 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch.
Given how easy the bandwagon was, I would look at the people defending him for absolutely zero reason if he flips town. Scum tryin' to get dat town cred.
On the same token we can also analyze the people that are saying one thing and lynching john on the other once the flip occurs.
If he flips scum, then there's not much to say. Rayn is probably town if he flips scum for being just about the only person to defend him.
This post is god awful and makes me want to lynch Vayne just for it. More on this later.
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Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d
WaveofShadow -- Something's off with WoS. I absolutely hate his town read on Gumshoe when it came out; it just reeks of scum play. I really hate this post + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also hai guise I back.
Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other?
On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup.
I fully expected WoS to respond to this with a joke, but his list is a bit too random. Ace (solid towny), SnB (lurker), CA (scummy lurker), Whoops (stupid town). It feels very much like a "joke" response scum list I gave to Dandel last game. It's neither a true joke, but it's also not moving the game forward.
On July 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
You know what's funny?
Both of the people voting for me currently have provided absolutely zero reasoning as to why I'm scum.
I really hate this defense. He should at least see the irony in that he hasn't provided any reasons for voting Whoops which is pretty much I did for voting him. His filter is just exceptionally aimless and pandering. There's just not any attempt what I I perceive as typical WoS scum hunting.
Onegu -- Last night/this morning I was really feeling an Onegu lynch. Something's changed when I read it today. I'm going to shift him back to null after rereading NMM XLIII
Vayne -- He's not being arrogant at all which is what I remember from the town games of his that I've read/played/whatever. I don't have much experience with him, but he at least seems to try albeit seemingly badly and there's just no effort whatsoever being put in. His lack of attitude is just really putting me off.
austin -- I just feel like this is exactly how he played the last game PTP and nothing like PYP. Austin as town is much, much better than this. I just really don't feel like feel like he's anything more than null which for him is pretty much a scum tell.
caucasainasian -- He came in bitching about the thread and left. This is like a trademarked Gonzaw scumread. Both of his posts are essentially saying, "Uh I'm worthless right now but I'm here so you know guys stuff."
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On July 08 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How do you see me as lynch target FirmTofu? I have zero votes on me.
Also geript is totally town.
FT is a newb. I'd leave him alone for now. It'll be easier to get a really solid read on him later on. He was pretty decent in the recent NMM IIRC
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Also. Chezinu should be given a day or maybe two max. He's pretty decent as town but thrives on chaos (from both alignments); but I think his mindset is a bit more obvious when given time.
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@Rayn. Let's talk about Chez I guess unless there's someone else you'd like to talk about. I will admit that this game looks suspiciously similar to his scum play in LX but other than the nuke is there anything specific you'd like to lynch him for?
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Also, why don't you like a vayne lynch?
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On July 08 2013 05:16 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
I like a vayne lynch.
Why? What other lynches do you like? Who do you suspect as scum?
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I don't think I've ever seen him make sense as either alignment. But I think it was a newbie game and another game or two (as town) where he came off as super arrogant. I don't see that at all here. I also don't see how his conspiracy theories make him town. Normally, I would agree that that type of this tends to be a newbie town tell, but I don't see any real convoluted aspect to them. His thought process is just so intentionally murky to me that I don't like it in addition to the random meta bonus. But eh,
Can we at least both agree that NirvanaMonkey should be lynched if he doesn't do shit other than his one previous post?
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On July 08 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also think ON is scum, what do you think about him geript?
ON? Onegu or is that someone else?
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OrigName is null-scum for me. I felt he was scummy last night but I reread him again today and I'm less sure. He's mostly blendy which I heavily dislike, but I'd like to see a bit more from him. If he continues to be null then I'd be very happy to lynch him.
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On July 08 2013 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:26 geript wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen him make sense as either alignment. But I think it was a newbie game and another game or two (as town) where he came off as super arrogant. I don't see that at all here. I also don't see how his conspiracy theories make him town. Normally, I would agree that that type of this tends to be a newbie town tell, but I don't see any real convoluted aspect to them. His thought process is just so intentionally murky to me that I don't like it in addition to the random meta bonus. But eh,
Can we at least both agree that NirvanaMonkey should be lynched if he doesn't do shit other than his one previous post? I play differently in every single game so meta'ing me with a pretty bad choice. I will agree that the posted you quoted is intentionally scummy, I was trying to bait scum into trying to make some shitty case on it but I don't really think you're scum so it didn't work that well.
Stop wasting your time and my time then. Just scum hunt and make your thought process clear. Who are your top scum targets and why?
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On July 08 2013 05:31 Xatalos wrote:
I guess it's time to do this.
##Unvote
Not completely sure yet about who we should lynch instead.
Who's on your "yeah I could lynch that guy" list?
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I think I answered the point on Onegu. His play just looks slightly different to that of the NMM game I hosted and I'd rather have more time to see his thought process as he was pretty obviously scum in that game.
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