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On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm.
Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu?
Austin is currently null for me. He makes a few posts that are scummy as hell, but he also makes an equal amount of posts that make me think he is town.
Ex of scummy thing he did: As soon as the votes started piling on the ON wagon that he started, he started backing off his lynch. I would like to think that a townie in his position would have pushe his best scum read no matter what.
Ex of a townie thing he did: he started questioning people about their thoughts on me. Honestly, all town members should have been doing this on Night 1. My play was very scummy considering I jumped on the ON wagon before it was a sure thing and I jumped off after it became obvious that it would go through. ON flipping town implicates me heavily and Austin pursuing this makes me believe he is town.
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On July 10 2013 09:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
explain the townie thing please. Why wouldnt austin.scum do it?
Of course, a scum Austin could do it, but I don't think it is coming from a scum point of view. It seems more like he is actively pursuing a read and scum hunting. I guess you could say I am cautiously optimistic about this play.
Honestly, I don't know. I played a newbie game with Austin once and I never could read him too well there either. Take my read with a grain of salt.
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On July 10 2013 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Talk to me about other people, who are you looking at as being scum?
Ace and Vayne. I've already talked in length about VA, so I won't bore you again.
As for Ace, I might make a post on him somewhere down the line, but for now, I would like to focus on jampidampi whom I consider to be the best lynch target today.
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On July 10 2013 12:43 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh and your take on tofu's jampidampi case? It looks solid. I had my own slight scum read on jamp because when I was arguing with rayne and he jumped in I don't know how he couldn't understand what I was saying. I tried to make myself clear multiple times but he along with some others just weren't listening to logic and assumed rayne had to be Town. Multiple people had reservations about "the plan" but a few bought it with little hesitation. Now Tofu is saying I'm scum too so that means I was arguing with my scum buddy and neither of us came out with any advantages. But we'll see what he's got. My reads on you and jamp are mutually exclusive. In fact, if one of you flips scum, I would likely stop pursuing the other. This is part of the reason why I am reluctant to share my read of you.
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Hey guys I'm headin back home. Going be doin' some scumhuntin' soon. Can't wait!!!
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I started to read the thread again. I'm picking up a few strong town reads. In gonna try and use process of elimination to find the mafia team.
Be back in a bit.
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Wow, I fell asleep in my chair rereading the thread... Still on page 72, sorry guys.
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For the record, I think Ace and Oatsmaster are both town.
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On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past.
Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post.
I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see.
(1) He claims I am null to him.
(2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me.
(3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself.
He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum.
Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you.
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EBWOP:
It also is indicative of a sort of apathy that is generally a solid town tell. Because most people have a town read on me, he decided that he needed to do something to discredit me and my accusations of him. Instead of countering my points against him, like town would, he uses this backhanded approach of, "He's active so he's null, but you never know..." to get people to stop listening to what I have to say.
I really want someone to nuke this guy. PLEASE.
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On July 11 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past. Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post. I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see. (1) He claims I am null to him. (2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me. (3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself. He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum. Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you. You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame.
I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player.
Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself."
I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now.
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On July 11 2013 12:29 FirmTofu wrote:
EBWOP:
It also is indicative of a sort of apathy that is generally a solid scum tell. Because most people have a town read on me, he decided that he needed to do something to discredit me and my accusations of him. Instead of countering my points against him, like town would, he uses this backhanded approach of, "He's active so he's null, but you never know..." to get people to stop listening to what I have to say.
I really want someone to nuke this guy. PLEASE.
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On July 11 2013 12:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 12:34 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past. Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post. I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see. (1) He claims I am null to him. (2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me. (3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself. He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum. Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you. You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame. I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player. Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself." I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now. You've had 3 reads this game and one of them is dead as the doctor, the other is me and WoS. The fact you are talking about bad play when you have remained static the entire game is laughable. You are not assimilating any new information from the game. Let me ask how you'll feel when I flip green? Who will you tunnel next after your 2 scumreads are both town?
I'll have you know that I accused Ace and jampidampi as well. If you actually read the thread, you would know that. Even if my reads are all wrong, I can remain confident that I have contributed plenty to the thread and have caused a few reactions from people that confirmed them as town to others. My play is fine. Instead of insulting me, can you play the game and defend yourself from my accusations?
I will not continue this conversation if all you do is attack me personally.
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Please nuke jampidampi. We lose absolutely nothing if he dies, and he is scummy as hell
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On July 11 2013 13:56 Chezinu wrote:
Here are a list of places:
3. Oatsmaster
4. Stutters695
5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel)
11. Onegu
13. VayneAuthority
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
18. Xatalos
19. CaucasianAsian
21. WaveofShadow
22. jampidampi
This is a pretty good list, Chezinu. I probably wouldn't put Xatalos there and I would advise against WoS/Oatsmaster, but other than that I would cautiously endorse a nuke on any of those targets.
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On July 11 2013 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 00:09 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to just post a summary of what I had written down. Browser tab crashed so here's the short version:
ON wagon:
austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu
DI wagon:
Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo
Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing
his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town.
The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, [green]Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu.
Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end.
@Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched.
Time to role claim. Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done  So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you.
Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam...
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I don't think I ever answered Ace's question either, now that I think about it. I voted Vayne for the same reason anyone ever votes for Ralph Nader. Because I believed.
I really thought Vayne was the best lynch. I wasn't convinced ON was scum. I wasn't convinced DI was scum. Not sure what else to tell you.
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On July 11 2013 14:15 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:On July 11 2013 00:09 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to just post a summary of what I had written down. Browser tab crashed so here's the short version:
ON wagon:
austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu
DI wagon:
Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo
Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing
his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town.
The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, [green]Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu.
Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end.
@Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched.
Time to role claim. Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you. CBS is still accepting donations.
How do I donate?
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Alakaslam, since you claimed, could you post your role pm? Thanks!
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On July 11 2013 14:27 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +Original Message From marvellosity:
You are a Russian Technician! Working for the motherland, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2.
Sigh... I wish you hadn't claimed.
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