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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 21:17 GMT
#2415
Is anybody going to drop a knowledge nuke soon? I think I am going to stay till the host does his Night post. I want to know how this ends :D.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 21:27 GMT
#2428
On July 12 2013 06:22 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 06:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
@jampi

Who are your top scumreads right now?

Maju and Gumshoe. Are you even reading?

Aren't you upset that it was more FirmTofu and Xatalos that nuked you? I think that Maju just tried to win some Votes by giving his nuke away. This might be a scum or a town thing to do. But as scum and with people already voting on him, he could just as easily retaliated on one of the (town) guys voting for him and then give up.

@Z-BosoN, I am spectating and playing...
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 21:30 GMT
#2433
On July 12 2013 06:29 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 06:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I just went back to I swear this is mini mafia and cross analyzed jampi there where he got mislynched day 1 and his play here is very different. I am fairly convinced he is scum now.

When he flipped town there he actually gave reasons for his scum/town reads and contributed to the thread before he died, here he is a lot angrier/slinging shit. He only came back to the thread once he realized he was saved by geript.

##unvote

##vote: Jampi

Holy shit what? I did not expect this out of you.

He agreed with you! You must now become best friends.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 21:38 GMT
#2444
I am just going to follow on you jampi. It's a bit unfortunate that you came back at the moment things were going bad for you. The other guy seems to be really afk and your entire defense is based on blaming your opponent and blaming an afk guy.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 21:48 GMT
#2458
@FirmTofu In your world there are 12 scum players. I think it is safe to say that your reads are wrong.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 22:07 GMT
#2498
lol. wp by Sentinel. That's really nice. I would have never done something like that. Balls of Steel and it worked out.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 22:15 GMT
#2512
On July 12 2013 07:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

nuke into that.

I would take Chezinu. Double the chances he is scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 07:46 GMT
#2583
I see that some people are suspecting me now. I was maybe having a bit too much fun yesterday during the lynch and not participating enough in it. But in my head I am not really qualified to discuss it, so I was just planning on following the majority lynch. Which turns out to be a scummy thing to do -_-*, but I don't agree with that at all, because I followed all the "(self-)claimed-towns" so how is that a bad move?
Anyway, I stated from the start that I would vote Maju over VA, only if a train started on FirmTofu I would follow that train. I am new to the game, and I dont want to use that as an excuse, but I don't understand how it is better to boss up the thread and be completely wrong than to follow people and helping the people that make the most sense.
Then to discuss my decision to go jampi. First I found it suspicious that jampi is more of a lurker, but when his ass is on the line he suddenly jumps in and has all the time in the world to defend himself. Second, I only voted MajuG because I wanted to protect VA (which I only did because I feel he was less scum than FirmTofu, but I seem to be in the minority here). Third, it is not only MajuG but Tofu, Xatalos and I think one more guy who decided to use MajuG his nuke this way. (Which was also very strange of Tofu to not pick VA here.)

I will now work on a list where I give my opinion on all the people still alive.

PS I just refreshed before posting this and I must say that it speaks somewhat in FirmTofu favor that he keeps pushing things. I just think he does it on a strange way. Or at least when I joined the game he was doing it strangely. I am getting used to it now...
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 10:07 GMT
#2587
Oatsmaster
+ Show Spoiler +
Has saved 2 people from dying so far. Xatalos and Ace are on my town list so I think Oatsmaster is town as well. If he is scum he should have kept his mouth shut about Xatalos and not claim his role.
Stutters695
Doesn’t say anything but voted on jampi. I don’t know why anybody would do that. Unless there is a role that gives nukes when you don’t speak. That doesn’t make any sense so… I can’t say he is scum, but I would put my vote on him if he is up against any active player.

Z-BosoN
+ Show Spoiler +
Is passive active. I kinda like the list he gave, except me being scum obviously. I might have done a stupid thing to cover for VA so new in this game. Either way I think Z-BosoN or VA are scum.
VayneAuthority
I read the entire log from VA just now. I am quite surprised that it is so small. I could swear that I read VA and FirmTofu their log before picking a side, but it seems I just read FirmTofy his log and then made a conclusion. So this is pretty silly of me.
Anyway, VA is still not superscummy, but he picked on my guy Ghost for voting on ON. While my guy just placed his vote while being afk. So out all of the votes for ON, it is really stupid to pick out my guy.
I am now realizing I have made a mistake on trusting VA so easily. I will keep an extra eye on VA from now on, so I don’t make that mistake again.

[UoN]Sentinel
+ Show Spoiler +
99% town for me after XigXag turned out to be scum. The1 % missing is that it such a ballsy move to do it.

Ace
+ Show Spoiler +
You guys respect him so I respect him. I don’t really have a read but he is a pretty calm and good player for me. He is also very active.

MajuGarzett
+ Show Spoiler +
Very inactive, gave his nuke away and then went afk. Giving away his nuke is a town thing to do in my eyes, I would do the same if I was targeted and had a nuke.

Johnnywup
+ Show Spoiler +
I think he is town because he likes to help people and makes cool reads. Like pointing out that both scum and town come from N Korea. Nothing in his log to make me suspicious except maybe nuking Tangeng.

Onegu
+ Show Spoiler +
Looks to be playing without secrets, which makes him town for me. Other people also like him a lot.

Geript
+ Show Spoiler +
I don’t understand why he didn’t help Ace but he did help jampi.. But the real strange thing about this is that he uses his defensive missile to help out jampi, while pushing the agenda against MG, but then eventually swaps to lynching jampi??? That doesn’t make any sense. Unless I am reading this wrong because nobody else is finding this strange? Scum or really bad play.

Strongandbig
+ Show Spoiler +
Only 2 pages of posts. The last page is filled with accusations against VA. I am just going to put him on my inactive list? He did roleclaim, and seems to be itchy about it. But meh…

Gumshoe
+ Show Spoiler +
Went afk with his last sentence being “XD I'll provide as many reads as I can before the night deadline.” Why do people do that?

Xatalos
+ Show Spoiler +
Everybody respects him, so I respect him. Unlike Ace Xatalos is wrong about everything though. Pushed the nuke and pushed the lynch… If FirmTofu is scum, this guy might be scum as well. But it would be soooooo obvious. Even I know that a bit of secrecy is good in this game.

CaucasianAsian
+ Show Spoiler +
I like the guy, he is always nice to me. But he is even more useless in this game than in the TL+ game. He is on my inactive list.

Alakasam
+ Show Spoiler +
Likes to play the game like I would like to do. Joking around a bit while making serious posts in between. I like him. Town for me.

WaveofShadow
+ Show Spoiler +
Went inactive as soon as I joined the game. Kinda hard for me to make a read. I am going to skip on this one.

FirmTofu
+ Show Spoiler +
I don’t like this guy his playstyle from the moment I joined. I am getting used to it now but seriously, everybody is scum in his eyes except the people that agree with him and the people that are AFK. I also don’t like that the general mindset is activity + controversy= being town.. I will not be following this guy his lead, but for the moment he is not my biggest lynchtarget either.
I don’t’ get how my previous guy is suspicious on the Day 1 lynch. Putting him on number 1 of another famous FirmTofu list of scum targets is very strange. But on the other hand, if you are on number 1 of a FirmTofu scum target list, you are not going to die of a nuke if he gets one. lol
Anyway, kidding aside, I guess the general mindset is that you are town so I will follow that mindset.

Chezinu
+ Show Spoiler +
Super random guy that actually spoilers his scum lists and hides them in big extravaganza fluff posts. I even think that a lot of people missed it because of that. Even though I pointed it out earlier. Or maybe everybody is just ignoring this guy. I like him because he is a fun poster. But kinda hard to not vote for him in a lynch race like this. Also seems a bit inactive.

austinmcc
+ Show Spoiler +
When I joined the game this guy was taking the lead while also making sense, he is for me on the same level as Xatalos. Town for me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 10:09 GMT
#2588
Ah great I screwed up my list. VA is inside Z-BosoN and Sutters inside Oatsmaster.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 10:15 GMT
#2589
So my top 3 Scums are
1. Geript
2. I actually only have one... I don't know how to search for them.

But seriously Geript. Why did you shoot down that missile and then jumped on the jampi train? This doesn't make sense at all. Is it killing a nuke to build town kred (even if town hates you for it) and then lynching the guy to prove you were right to shoot down the nuke. That is the only thing that sounds logical to me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 10:19 GMT
#2590
Top 3 Town are:
1. Sentinel
2. Xatalos
3. Oatsmaster
4. Austinmcc (also deserves to be on this list)
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 10:20 GMT
#2591
Top 3 inactives from most scummy to less scummy.
1. Stutters (wtf)
2. CA
3. Gumshoe

CA is actually being here, while Gumshoe just left the building.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 10:22 GMT
#2592
ARFFF and because I fucked up my list I also forgot to add VA to my scum list. He is on number 2 atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 12:14 GMT
#2595
I am just saying that if you would have been right about jampi, then I would really put you on 100% town. Now you seem to be very pro town but you killed jampi. I actually thought that you killed 2 people, but you kinda killed jampi 2 times, so it's not as bad as I thought lol.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 12:46 GMT
#2596
@Z_BosoN You can say what you want, but this thread is slow in my prime playtime. And if it makes you happy, I will vote for geript as soon as day comes and I am still alive.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 13:30 GMT
#2604
On July 12 2013 22:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 22:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
On July 12 2013 22:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 12 2013 22:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
On July 12 2013 21:46 Koshi wrote:
@Z_BosoN You can say what you want, but this thread is slow in my prime playtime. And if it makes you happy, I will vote for geript as soon as day comes and I am still alive.


Why geript? What do you think makes him scum?


Did Koshi scumslip here? he thinks geript is scummy for shooting down a nuke to hit Maju and we didn't even flip Maju yet. Does he know Maju is scum?

Everyone should ask themselves this question, as this is a potential actual slip when we see the Maju flip.


Wait I thought geript shot down a nuke headed for jampidampi, no?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=116#2303


oh yea my bad, just woke up so nevermind

Yeah... And that is why it is strange that geript also voted on jampi to lynch him later. Also geript his post with the superpower scum is kinda really unlogical as well. I am atm reading through his posts and trying to make associations. I will try and make a case against geript if it is day. You guys can then decide if it is a good case.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 13:40 GMT
#2605
On July 12 2013 22:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 21:46 Koshi wrote:
@Z_BosoN You can say what you want, but this thread is slow in my prime playtime. And if it makes you happy, I will vote for geript as soon as day comes and I am still alive.


Why geript? What do you think makes him scum?

I will make a case later.
1) Can take down nukes but doesn't use it on Xatalos and Ace
2) Uses it to save jampi, with a bullshit story "I dont want jampi to become a superpower scum", and then decided to kill jampi who in the end flips town.

I just went through all the people as you can see in my post. I find geript the most likely scum player...
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 16:40 GMT
#2615
On July 13 2013 01:35 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 19:20 Koshi wrote:
Top 3 inactives from most scummy to less scummy.
1. Stutters (wtf)
2. CA
3. Gumshoe

CA is actually being here, while Gumshoe just left the building.


can you explain why you think I'm scummy? I'm nothing but townnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. fuck life is busy. woke up, went to class, worked out, met my professor friend guy (awesome guy, he travels the world and talks to presidents of the world, seriously he does this... fucking awesome guy), grabbed dinner, drank a beer, ate a second dinner, drank some more, but it's raining as hell so i'm wet as fucjk.


That was my inactive list. You are not listed on my scummy list. Can't blame me for saying that you are inactive.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 12 2013 18:49 GMT
#2636
On July 13 2013 01:59 geript wrote:
5. The people who are calling me scum are hilarious. Koshi specifically looks worse for this because they're finding superficial reasons to think me scum and not following the points to their conclusion.

1) What happened between shooting down the nuke to prevent jampi dieing and you voting for jampi getting lynched?
2) Why didn't you shoot down the nukes for Ace and Xatalos? Do you think Xatalos and Ace are scummy/were scummy on the moment the nuke was flying towards them?
3) Do you believe GM is scum?
4) Do you still believe that taking down that nuke was a good idea? If not, when did you change your mind?

I believe that you made not-logical steps.

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 12 2013 03:58 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:49 Xatalos wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:47 geript wrote:
Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi.


How come?

Because I'm going to shoot it down. Here's the full situation with Jampi:

1. He's town and the nuke lands. Yay he's town!!! However, we have an infinite vig or something akin to it, but it's in the hands of a lurky bad player. That's bad news bears.
2. He's town and I shoot the nuke down. Yay he's town!!! But we don't have to deal with him gaining powers.
3. He's scum and the nuke lands. YAY he fake claimed and got shot in the face!!!!
4. He's scum and the nuke lands but makes him awesome. BOOOOH we've just superpowered scum.
5. He's scum and the gets shot down. We don't know he's scum, but he's easily lynchable and don't superpower him.

Of the situations where the nuke lands, only 1 is good for us and I don't think Jampi was fake claiming. Of the situations where the nuke doesn't land, all of them are better for us. Pretty simple really.

And yes, I'm assuming all nukes are radiation nukes.

As a matter of fact:
##defend jampidampi

Let's get a lynch contest going.

About this post.
1. What are you saying here? If the nukes fall or not we still have an infinite vig or something akin to it...
2. You are happy that we don't have to deal with a town with superpowers? This is a reason to let the nuke fall.
3. that would be why you don't defend him. Another reason to let the nuke fall.
4. The only reason I read why you would shoot the nuke. What superpower were you expecting?
5. This would be a reason to let the nuke fall.

Am I missing the point?
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