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On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: vayne try to make some sense if you are town. This is the fucking worst nuke of the century. RebirthOfLegend, Versatile and a few others would like to have a word with you | ||
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On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves. On July 07 2013 22:50 Xatalos wrote: Hmm.. What has made WoS worthy of your tunneling action? IMO he looks more townish than in PTP so far. Sometimes simple is the right explanation. Like we should have lynched austinmcc earlier in PTP, but then we got sidetracked :/ johnnywup and Onegu have been vague and waffly so far -> good chances of flipping scum. No need to make it too complicated with "gathering votes too fast" or something like that. I dont think JW has been waffly at all. I don't see anyone with votes on him with strong reasoning. Of the people voting him who have has legit reasoning? @Johnny: Your vote on WoS looks like a gutread. You said you felt strongly about WoS being Scum last night. Tangeng has posted also - how does he not show up more scummy than Wos to you? ***just read Wos's post being a gutread Ok jw I actually think you should look harder at Tangeng and Abenson if this is your reasoning. Also, the Chezinu situation. It seems his nuke has been glossed over, even though it appears real. He should also be getting votes right now as he knows better than to nuke someone so early on. @Chezinu: Can you actually explain why Xatalos was nuked, and why him over any other person in the thread. On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Explain the reasons why a Chezinu lynch is stupid (it may not be optimal, but stupid it isn't). Are you only going to support his lynch if Xatalos dies and flips Town? After the nuke was fired Chezinu disappeared and offered no explanation. If that nuke is real based on the mod's post then he knew what he was doing. On July 08 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote: They could both be town or both be scum launching positve nuke, xatalos has already posted he is immune to certain types of nukes, what if he gets a buff if hit with that type of nuke. The second only applies if both are scum, but if it is a straight up buff nuke why not claim it? I doubt anyone is getting buffed by nukes. He probably has protection, like something equivalent to a 1 shot bulletproof vest (Veteran) if hit by a nuke. Don't really see people getting more powers when targeted for a kill in games. @WoS: I don't think its smart to ask people to reveal who has nuking power. On July 08 2013 02:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well I'm dead and there's no obvious killer. There's and outside chance this is oatsmaster's nuke and it was redirected to me but idk how likely it is. I'm still very much an advocate of not freaking out which people have done so that's good I'm gonna do a mega list of reads on everyone who's posted so that when I flip people will have that to work off of. I'm just incredibly pissed :/ How did you come to this conclusion? On July 08 2013 02:45 strongandbig wrote: I'm pretty sure that isn't true, i think I've actually been in a game where you got mislynchef. ##swag ##tybg ##turnedup ##swag @MZ: let my scum meta flourish  On July 08 2013 05:12 geript wrote: Also. Chezinu should be given a day or maybe two max. He's pretty decent as town but thrives on chaos (from both alignments); but I think his mindset is a bit more obvious when given time. Nah. If we don't get answers from him now, something will come up in the future and we won't have time to deal with it. Right now based on where I'm up to reading, this Chezinu situation along with JW's wagon and WoS are what's being talked about. We've got enough time to discuss with him before Xata flips (if he dies). @ Nirvana.Gabo: Even if Chezinu is crazy, don't you think he should give some explanation for his nuke? ##vote Chezinu | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Anybody who's ever played with Ace will give him a town read right now. I also agree that I am town. Will probably change my stance later. On July 08 2013 06:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If Ace was active and contributing and playing like most people consider "town" I'd be more suspicious of him because one of his strengths is appearing town. Right now he doesn't give a fuck and that's town Ace. If he suddenly came blasting in here and accusing people and making cases and shit that wouldn't instantly make him scum but it'd make me second guess the town play. You apparently had an off game with him, it's rather difficult for me to explain this concept to someone who's never seen it. There's a PYP game where Ace plays his typical scum game and incognito nails him on it, I don't remember exactly the name of the game but that would neatly illustrate my point. Anyway we are lynching Dandel today, I just decided. It's not that I don't give a fuck. I've been quiet my past few games due to activity issues. I also generally hold my opinions close to the vest. @MZ: I also don't see a reason for Chez to be passed over for lynching. He has given no explanation for his nuke on Xata at all. On July 08 2013 09:06 Z-BosoN wrote: You are scum, Ace is scum... we'll get to that later. Sure. @JW: TanGeng - He also hops on my bandwagon with no reasons why, at a good time for scum. He also hasn't been scumhunting...like at all. He's just saying that other people have been doing scumhunting and he agrees. No real reads out of him. Feeling scum. 3/10 I've got a similar feeling about him (with the exception to the "he hasn't been scumhunting part") , however I do think he could just not be active and following thread sentiment. Right now I'm thinking him or Abenson are good targets for lynch. Abenson is a hardcore lurker though. It also doesn't make much sense to lynch either of them until we get word from Chezinu. I also don't think a WoS lynch makes much sense at the moment. On July 08 2013 09:15 OriginalName wrote: I was leaning sub-optimal but at the time I thought there was a more powerful option in JW. As such I was trying to lead the thread towards more disscussion on that, calling Chezinu a stupid lynch was more to avoid too many tangents going at the same time and people getting distracted, I'm almost sure that Chezinu showing up to actually answer something is wishful thinking at this point, along with that he seems to imply that his nuke will implode midair and prehaps used it either a) cause a new topic of disscussion (perhaps trying to provoke a reaction out of Xatalos and others) or b) utter chaos. While in my opinion explanation A) is not nessicarily a scum move B) definitly would be. I just basically threw my hands up in the air and decided that we could probably find another target and leave Chez alone till we had more info. I tried to move towards diffusing the chaos from the nuke and move towards more leads as opposed to just tunneling Chez straight up and policy lynching him while town pats themselves on the back for the rest of the day on a job well done and getting minimal information while we sit waiting for flips. I would absolutely support the lynch of Chezinu if Xatalos dies and flips town. I was more concerned with the Chezinu lynch in that there had to be a reason for it and i just feel that outing himself like that seems horrifically out of character for him. Chezinu is absolutely insane but he is not a complete idiot at the same time. Ok got it. You were just trying to make the lynch stay focused towards the JW stuff. Where did he imply his nuke would implode in midair, I probably missed that. Also we aren't going to policy lynch Chez for the nuke itself. It's more his disappearance with no explanation after firing it. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote: @Ace What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance? Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? No. Highly doubt he has some kind of post restriction for possible gain. That would make him a target and be screwed up as either alignment. I just view him as a lurker, although willfully lurking isn't a scum tell - not popping in to comment on anything is a bad look. If he continues to be inactive he should be catching more heat soon. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote: This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it He could just easily tell us it would implode? I know Chezinu is a troll but he could just give us one concrete answer. | ||
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Rain, Rain, Rain, come again and again, In the winter, in the summer and in spring, Come with joy, fall with happiness and go with sorrow, Rain, Rain, Rain come again and again. also dont think he is scummy. | ||
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On July 08 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Then ignore the point I'm making about who he is specifically. It is obvious he is a smurf of some mafia veteran, or at least veteran enough to know of the games Geript and I have played in. I would think someone like him would know better than to expect that level of analysis (or the ability to 'ignore' the blatancy of Chez's scummy-seeming crazniess) from Onegu. Ok let me try break this down from your pov: NG has intimate knowledge of people's playstyles. More than just reading games but actually playing with us - he's a legit smurf. He expected Onegu to be able to read Chez as a troll. When Onegu fails to do so NG votes him. NG also gives an explanation as to why he thinks Onegu's thinking isn't town motivated based on geript's play in another game. This is where you think he is a smurf account. Right now is this the way it went? | ||
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On July 08 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: He very well could be Ace. It could be I am misreading into NG's intentions, but to me it looks suspiciously like a veteran player trying to formulate a case on an 'easy' target. Why would a smurf attack Onegu in such a way when he should know that Onegu is not necessarily likely to play the way he expects him to? Can you explain what you were thinking about this and if I am wrong? I think it's 2 separate things. 1.) NG misread Onegu's capabilities and ran with it too far. This doesn't make him scum. 2.) You realize NG may be a vet smurf. When he compares Onegu's play to geript's in another game, you expect more out of him. You look back on his Onegu read and see that a veteran player probably wouldn't screw this up. My thing is NG being a vet smurf hasn't been proven to be true. Even if he/she is, the read on Onegu could be a mistake or could be totally legit. I think you're letting the possibility of it being a smurf blend too much into the read. My only issue with NG is him allowing Chezinu to get a pass, but this goes for a lot of people in the thread. | ||
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Why did you nuke Xatalos? A real answer please | ||
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His nuke is possibly harmless, and he only nuked Xata because he was retaliating. Of course he didn't read the thread and realized the nuke wasn't real because he's a troll. | ||
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On July 08 2013 22:39 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, he really needs to. In fact, if he doesn't start making sense before deadline, I might be inclined to lynch him anyway. As town, he should start giving the thread something to work with at some point (right about now would be a good time). If he keeps quiet/nonsensible until deadline, it could be a sign of him being scum and refusing town information. So far his attitude could have been just towny trolling and/or saving relevant information for the last 12 hours of D1, but now he should be stepping up his play already. I thought Chez nuked you because you nuked him (he didnt know it was fake). On July 08 2013 22:59 Z-BosoN wrote: This is a post from a while back but I feel I want to dig a little deeper. My main concern with Ace at the moment is that he defended rayn at a moment in which he was under heavy aggression. Now, if I do this as a townie, the main thing I want to do is redirect attention from rayn towards something else. But his following posts do not indicate this: clicky He's not trying to steer the thread anywhere. As town I feel that letting people pressure rayn is much more natural, for me to get a better read. It's small, but I not comfortable with calling him "probably town". What do you think? You are going way too far with this. I pointed out how rayne got in trouble in another game in a similar way. I don't see how that is a major defense to deflect attention off of him. Re-read that part of the day and rayne was being called out for what? On July 08 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote: guysss I have a 1shot anti nuke thing. so I can shoot down nukes Which nuke do I destroy!. Im currently going with the xalatos one because Chez scumread is stronger than Johnny scumread ESPECIALLY since johnny seems to be posting, I feel that I can get a more confident read on johnny later. Also chez has never ever ever explained why xalatos past CHEZINU RULE. I dont buy it. Nope. Discuss. Shoot it down already then. or save MZ. (totally forgot who nuked him as of this moment reading) @rayne: If Chez's nuke "helps" people he wouldn't have fired it in retaliation at Xata. (xata and onegu state this too) @MZ: I'm warming up to a Dandel lynch. He's been gone for a long time. @Xata: why snb? If a nuke was going to hit lets say MZ, and we couldn't come to a consensus on who to vote off, we vote MZ off since he is going to die anyway. Basically to avoid split votes and lynching people just to lynch them. On July 09 2013 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also back to basics. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu Ace's idea is terrible. Of course everyone has a scumread at the end of the day, unless they are scum. Clarify. On July 09 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote: Is it normal for town Chezinu to not read the thread? Is it normal for town Chezinu to to use his killing powers without thinking? Or explaining? He honestly does whatever he feels like. I don't think he actually reads the thread as any alignment. Anything is possible with him. On July 09 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is Ace scum? That's like saying it's OK to vote for no-lynch without actually voting for no-lynch... No, its NOT a no lynch. If we can't come to a consensus and someone gets lynched off of a few votes we wouldn't have accomplished anything. Hence, we vote for someone already going to die. I've never advocated no lynching anyone all day, why would you assume that? | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: regardless, the pool of people scum has to kill tonight because they are pretty obviously town is getting larger. People who thought WoS might have been scum should probably drop that now. I'm thinking a town motivated WoS would nuke someone that is refusing to post. Hitting NG was the popular move based on thread sentiment that was just bs. | ||
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