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On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear.
Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that.
Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy.
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there are several lurkers Wos, you want us to just burn through all of them?
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On July 15 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy. Hey Ace. Triple-cop-claim-caper. I'm not gaming a closed setup like this.
3 cops with sanity issues versus 4 roles that can spread radiation?
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On July 15 2013 06:25 johnnywup wrote:
I'm sorry Ace but what? There's not enough evidence on Austin but there IS enough evidence on SnB? Yes it's unlikely theres 4 IOs but it's possible and he's pretty lurky but is that really evidence that he's scum? I don't really think so. He may very well be scum but that's hardly enough to say so certainly that he is.
austin has answered everything thrown at him hasn't he? Do any if his explanations seem off?
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On July 15 2013 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:25 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy. Hey Ace. Triple-cop-claim-caper. I'm not gaming a closed setup like this. 3 cops with sanity issues versus 4 roles that can spread radiation? We don't even know what the radiation DOES, do we?
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It's fucking radiation. You think its gonna turn us into X-men?
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@Z-Boson: whatever lynching gumshoe flips, we still have the same issue with austin/vayne/stutters/onegu/snb/maju. If he flips scum who looks bad? I haven't thought much about a geript-snb scum team.
@jwup: More Town than snb. I don't have him as a definite town read.
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Z-Boson: Read carefully. I've supported lynching lurkers before we got to THIS situation. Why would I want to lynch gumshoe and leave it unresolved? If you believe snb is a lurker then I'm actually following what you are quoting me for? right? I'm also NOT lynching Austin who is active and answering questions. How is this not making sense to you?
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SnB is definitely capable of faking a town reaction as Scum. I don't want to lynch gumshoe as we still have unresolved issues. It doesn't move the game forward at all. The timing of snb's claim isn't a tell one way or another for me. As either alignment, claiming there isn't going to get him in trouble. He wasn't a suspect and he didn't reveal information about another player like a detective would. He was safe.
I think 3 people claimed IO before he did. He was the last claimer wasn't he?
geript if you can show me a very strong argument that austin is scummier than SNB I'm all for it. Remember in my post I said we can go either way, but Onegu/SNB is simpler to solve. If it's possible that austin flipping scum answers questions about a bunch of other people I'm down for the discussion.
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Ok, you know what. I'll admit I could be wrong on the IO thing. If it is possible all 4 of them are Town, then you want to lynch gumshoe and not austin? Even though a gumshoe lynch doesn't move us anywhere?
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Ok I just saw the gumshoe vote too rofl
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On July 15 2013 06:44 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:41 Ace wrote:
SnB is definitely capable of faking a town reaction as Scum. I don't want to lynch gumshoe as we still have unresolved issues. It doesn't move the game forward at all. The timing of snb's claim isn't a tell one way or another for me. As either alignment, claiming there isn't going to get him in trouble. He wasn't a suspect and he didn't reveal information about another player like a detective would. He was safe.
I think 3 people claimed IO before he did. He was the last claimer wasn't he?
geript if you can show me a very strong argument that austin is scummier than SNB I'm all for it. Remember in my post I said we can go either way, but Onegu/SNB is simpler to solve. If it's possible that austin flipping scum answers questions about a bunch of other people I'm down for the discussion. So why would a Scum Fake-claiming SnB casually go ahead and claim a role that has been claimed 3 times? Wouldn't that be stupid as hell? Why not make a smarter claim with fewer known roles?
because he has no idea what other roles exist. We are allowed to post PMs and from what we've seen we don't have "normal" roles. The only one flipped is Medic and he can't fake claim that.
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On July 15 2013 06:45 johnnywup wrote:
Ace what the fuck? Push SnB as hard as possible then 15 minutes before deadline "maybe gumshoe could work"? I know his ninja vote is scummy as hell but that was like a complete 180.
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I was asking how a gumshoe vote would get us anywhere.
gumshoe comes out of nowhere and votes for Snb, the guy I'm pushing. He hasn't said a word in hours.
What do you think I'm going to do here?
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On July 15 2013 06:48 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
GUMSHOE NINJA VOTES AGAIN
WHO DOES HE VOTE?
SNB lolololol adios gumshoe ##vote gumshoe@ace It moves us forward in the normal sense that -> we will have info regarding MG's nuke you sent. -> Austin will have to bullshit for a couple more days if he's scum. -> we won't have to deal with a lurker ninja-voting and not giving a fuck
I don't see how a gumshoe flip accomplishes anything with the MG nuke. Explain? I have the MG nuke telling us about Stutters.
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On July 15 2013 06:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:49 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:48 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
GUMSHOE NINJA VOTES AGAIN
WHO DOES HE VOTE?
SNB lolololol adios gumshoe ##vote gumshoe@ace It moves us forward in the normal sense that -> we will have info regarding MG's nuke you sent. -> Austin will have to bullshit for a couple more days if he's scum. -> we won't have to deal with a lurker ninja-voting and not giving a fuck I don't see how a gumshoe flip accomplishes anything with the MG nuke. Explain? I have the MG nuke telling us about Stutters. Can you explain. My brain is pretty fried since I haven't eaten since 8am. I'm not getting the implication.
If the nuke is real and kills MG, Stutters lied. He is Scum. If it doesn't kill MG, Stutters was telling the truth and is more than likely Town.
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no nuke either? So Stutters was telling the truth.
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On July 15 2013 07:01 geript wrote:
Ace
Austin
Stutters
Maju
???? explain this very well.
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geript you can't be this dumb.
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On July 15 2013 07:06 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:02 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 07:01 geript wrote:
Ace
Austin
Stutters
Maju ???? explain this very well. You explain why you didn't auto launch the nuke last night when it was fucking obvious to. Explain why you're even fucking alive when a complete newbie in FirmTofu isn't. Explain why when you've been given a "nuke" that scum has no interest in killing you. Explain how you didn't see the Stutters not pushing maju if the nuke is fake thing?
I left the forum. Before I left I'm pretty sure I said lets discuss this. I can't explain why I'm alive. If that's a scum tell just vote me into the Mafia Awards thread right now. As for Stutters I already outlined the scenario regarding him. Not noticing Stutters isn't pushing him implicates me how? That's ridiculous.
You should be commenting that we went from an austin lynch, to an snb lynch, to a gumshoe lynch. But no, you immediately flip to I must be Scum with 3 other people.
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