• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:24
CEST 23:24
KST 06:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202542Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up5LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced58
StarCraft 2
General
Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025 TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Would you prefer the game to be balanced around top-tier pro level or average pro level? Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Bitcoin discussion thread 9/11 Anniversary
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 704 users

Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII - Page 9

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 15 Next All
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:24 GMT
#1182
On June 28 2013 18:16 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 16:09 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 28 2013 16:05 hzflank wrote:
It's obvious so I will put this out there. If Onegu is town then I am confident of who his number 1 town read is. I want to see that player posting before any blue claims are made.

Ignore this statement if it is irrelevant to yours. Remember that Hurricane pushed for Onegu's lynch.


This post is not to help the town, but rather to show Firm how my mind is working:

The biggest reason why I think that Hurricane is town is because when I scumhunt on him I feel like he is also scumhunting on me. When I look at some other people is has looked like when they scumhunt on me they are actually looking for a scapegoat. If Hurricane made a case against me on Day 3 I would make a case against a third party. If Hurricane thinks that I am scum that does not mean that I think he is scum. In fact in my case, it almost seems that Hurricane is the only person who is actually scumhunting in my direction.

Therefore, the fact that Hurricane voted for Onegu does not mean that Onegu thinks that Hurricane is scummy. Onegu has stated that many people are scummy but he has not given away many town reads. When I tried to work out his town reads I got Hurricane and myself. Who else? Spicy might be his third read, but if Onegu is town then Hurricane and myself are his top 2 town reads.

I did not visit Alakaslam on night 1, and it appears that Hurricane did not either.


You had me til the end. It is unconfirmed if Hurricane visited Alakaslam at this time.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:26 GMT
#1183
On June 28 2013 17:58 LoneMeow wrote:
Hurricane, I feel you're grasping at straws with your town-town scenario, why would you do that? Who's scum if they're both town?


Because once I can rule out town-town, then we're really onto something. I'm not going to just assume scum-town when all it takes is a little legwork to completely rule out town-town.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:28 GMT
#1185
On June 28 2013 17:58 Aquanim wrote:
Hurricane and hzflank, I would like to confirm that you two will be in the thread before the lynch and you will have plenty of time to read the arguments I will be posting. With your two votes (assuming LoneMeow does not switch), we will have five votes (enough to ensure an Alakaslam lynch), if I can convince

I believe that of these two Alakaslam is the scum. I don't trust Spicy or StiMaDDict to listen to me (because I suspect they're scum) and I don't think that FirmTofu is capable of detunneling from Onegu at this point. I will need both of you to listen to turn around this lynch.


Any information you have is good, but at this point, today's lynch is likely to be settled by facts, not reads. The two claims we've received are a gift from god for the town at this juncture of the game. Any argument you have should likely revolve around them.

(Yes, I will be around)
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:31 GMT
#1187
On June 28 2013 18:26 Aquanim wrote:
Hurricane, I agree that watching a scum suspect is suboptimal play as a Watcher. I would like you to think about the possible rationale behind fake-claiming Watcher and to have watched somebody visit Alakaslam as scum in Onegu's position.


If this is gonna work, you're going need to speak plain, or I'll need to get some sleep and get at this with a fresh brain. Is the information you're trying to convey too sensitive to just say outright? If so, I will put mental energy into this as you have requested.

(But I won't like it.)
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:32 GMT
#1188
On June 28 2013 18:28 hzflank wrote:
If you visited Alakaslam last night then your vote would now be on Alakaslam.

Onegu claimed he saw someone visit Alakaslam. If you visited Alakaslam then you would of gone: "Oh, Onegu saw me, he is telling the truth".


Why does Onegu seeing me mean he's the Town Watcher? He could be a Mafia Tracker.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:33 GMT
#1189
God dammit, did I botch this hz? Check out my huge post at the top of the page, I may have stepped in it. (it's 5:30am now)

Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:35 GMT
#1191
It may be moot. HZ seems to think that if I visited 'slam, my vote should be on him. I'm trying to figure out just why that is now.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:38 GMT
#1193
Could be, but is it likely? What's to stop the mafia from deducing that I was Watcher Onegu's target, and sending their Tracker into the thread to claim?
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:40 GMT
#1194
Yeah, we need to slow this pain train down. Right now, I have to decide whether my opponents are smart enough to come up with Alakaslam's claim.

It still doesn't explain why Onegu made such a horrible play as our Watcher though.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:42 GMT
#1197
Well, this was a whole bunch of useless. Guess I'll get to sleep. Aqua, I'm now 50/50 on 'slam and onegu.

The one useful thing we got out of all this is that (barring a mod PM otherwise) we know that Alakaslam and Onegu are opposite alignments. Which is good.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:44 GMT
#1198
On June 28 2013 18:40 hzflank wrote:
Then we have to go back to: Why would Watch Onegu choose to watch Alakaslam?

Also: How did the scum team know that you were Onegu's number 1 town read? it could of been you or me. They would of had to of guessed.


It's a risky guess, but in the scum's eyes, they're probably more willing to throw Alakaslam to the wolves than any other member. I'm probably reaching. Simplest explanation is probably the best, but we certainly need to keep an open mind. Aqua will be doing us the favor of taking up the charge for 'Slam's lynch tomorrow (or rather, later today).
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 09:45 GMT
#1199
EBWOP: (I am going to be for real this time. I don't know when I'll be back, but I will stay active starting in 5 or 6 hours)
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 17:46 GMT
#1302
Alright, I'm all caught up. In the end, one of the biggest Facts I've deduced from all this is that Onegu has made some incredibly bad plays, whether he's Scum or Town this game.

If anyone needs my opinion on something, now is the time to ask. Otherwise, I'm going to continue analyzing Aqua's argument.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 17:50 GMT
#1304
Oh come on. That's gotta be the most scummy question ever asked in this game.

Of course Mafia would want to know my exact role. How is that at all relevant to the current vote?!
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 17:56 GMT
#1309
I'm currently re-reading 'slam's filter. Onegu, can you please tell me your pre-NK thoughts on Chromatically. If you can quote yourself with Day One material, it would save me a bit of time and let me focus on more important things.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:01 GMT
#1310
I'm playing out some End Game scenarios. Aqua, I hope you know what you're doing over there... for your sake.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:16 GMT
#1312
LoneMeow and StiM are going to come in with 11th hour hammer votes. If you don't think it's possible for the two of them to be scum, you are mistaken.

We cannot let scum dictate who gets lynched tonight. Does anyone see a solution to this? (Other than relying on mass town coordination with split-second timing to switch once they both finally vote)
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:22 GMT
#1315
Yes. Onegu I need you to make a post (similar to my pre-NK requests to everyone) assuming you will be mislynched tonight. I need all your Scum and Town reads, and a brief justification for your feelings. If you are mislynched, the town is in a bad position, and we need as much information as possible about your unique experiences and interpretation on how this game has played out.

Don't feel like you have to make full cases on anyone, just give me your reads (gut feels are fine) that you think will be vital to the game going forward.

@Alakaslam

Ditto for you. Need a post of your reads in the event you are mislynched tonight.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#1316
On June 29 2013 03:22 FirmTofu wrote:
I really wish StiM and LoneMeow would be more active. Whichever one of them is town may singlehandedly lose the game for town.


For now, assume both are scum, and that this is an intentional lurker play to set up a last-second 2-vote hammer. Do you see a way to secure lynches on EITHER 'slam OR Onegu that will render this lurker play moot?
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
June 28 2013 18:29 GMT
#1318
My end-games for an Onegu Mislynch aren't making any sense

##unvote

##Vote: Alakaslam
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ForJumy 81
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 934
EffOrt 581
Shuttle 455
Soulkey 192
ggaemo 89
TY 83
NaDa 23
Stormgate
B2W.Neo700
WinterStarcraft692
Nathanias253
UpATreeSC199
TKL 142
JuggernautJason61
Dota 2
syndereN858
Pyrionflax215
capcasts164
Counter-Strike
fl0m2254
pashabiceps912
Stewie2K803
flusha388
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox626
PPMD52
Liquid`Ken1
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu532
Other Games
summit1g4352
Grubby3253
ToD165
C9.Mang082
ViBE64
QueenE52
Sick37
fpsfer 1
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 81
• musti20045 50
• Berry_CruncH28
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki51
• FirePhoenix6
• Pr0nogo 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22746
• WagamamaTV693
League of Legends
• TFBlade1080
Other Games
• imaqtpie1913
• Shiphtur240
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
2h 36m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
13h 36m
Stormgate Nexus
16h 36m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
18h 36m
The PondCast
1d 12h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 13h
Replay Cast
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
RotterdaM Event
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.