I Swear This Is Normal Mini Mafia - Page 8

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 13 2013 20:46 GMT

#1167

If I get the chance between now and deadline I'll try to expand upon the point I was making about what scum BH's goals are in the thread and when.

You'll notice now that there is not a 'clear' mislynch option he is actually forced to come back and try a little rather than simply be content to shit things up. He obviously had no reason to come back and do anything at all until recently because he is set to be lynched. He was content to continue doing nothing until the wagon on himself picked up steam.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 13 2013 21:29 GMT

#1176

On June 14 2013 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:

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jesus christ you don't really get it do you

shoot whoever you think is the scummiest. do it now.

Remember this?
No.

On June 14 2013 05:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would just do it if I didn't care about other people's playing experiences, its not really fair to the other people putting in effort like oats/axle/shaio/etc.

Hopefully they decide on a lynch soon.

Let the rest of the thread show up and we can all decide what to do about the shot. If people agree to take the shot early, then let it be done. Haste is not going to get us anywhere.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 00:01 GMT

#1180

On June 14 2013 07:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

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So then you think VA and I are a likely scumteam?

Quoted for filter.

It's getting pretty near to deadline and I may or may not be around.

Can we try to come to some sort of consolidation so we can figure out what to do with the shot?
This is a little bit ridiculous. The fuck is everyone?

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 00:06 GMT

#1183

Is there anything you want to talk about?

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 00:09 GMT

#1185

On June 14 2013 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
whatever VA does with his bullet, hold him accountable. dont' let him say "BH flipped town so i shoot GM with no explanation huehueheue" or something similar. a

I will keep this in mind if necessary.
I don't think it IS necessary, but I'm sure if the positions were reversed you'd think the same thing.
The issue I see is if somehow you flip town (again, don't see it) then anything I say will appear as though I am 'weaseling my way out of the shot.' Of course then the issue becomes if you're town then he shoots me and I'm town, then VA is fucked.

And if somehow we're all town then gg, lurkers win.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 00:10 GMT

#1186

I dunno BH like...the stuff about him you've said makes sense objectively but I just find it SO unlikely he fakeclaimed that early.

I've derped some claims in my time and people called me bad for it and tried to lynch me as well but in the end I was always telling the truth.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 00:15 GMT

#1187

Gotta go for a little but I should be back another time before lynch.
BH reads outside of me and VA? I'll give mine as well in case the tide turns when I'm not around; Sylencia and Stutters in that order.
If Axle is scum we're fucked imo.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 01:27 GMT

#1194

On June 14 2013 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Um.
We really need to consolidate one wday or another or there's liable to be some shenanigans.

What's going on shiao, stutters?
Phonepoosting so I can't doo muxch

Fk me
Qouted for filter.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 01:28 GMT

#1196

Syl scum. We lynch him tomorrow

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 02:27 GMT

#1214

His last words, screamed out, were “You idiots didn’t even let me finish my dinner!”

Dat flavour.

Well son of a bitch, I really did think I had it without the meta. BH, mislynched twice in 2 games, methinks it's time to pick up your play a bit maybe? If you had played like Les there is no way I would have stayed on. Anyway gg.

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I also think we need to agree to a truce in the next game we play together or something.

Now as for the shot, obviously the fight for my life is going to look bad, so I leave it up to the town (or technically VA). You guys can either listen to what BH said and not take the shot or you can get rid of me now and remove all doubt. Either way it's pretty clear we're facing lurk city here. I honestly wonder what VA will end up deciding in the end because if he shoots me, I flip green and he looks awful. If he's town that's a shit position to be in, and if he's scum I can't honestly say if he'll take the shot and risk the vengeance of the town.

I also think it's absolutely batshit retarded that nobody was around at deadline. I was even trying to fucking phonepost so I could keep tabs on what was happening. On one hand I feel like i'ts a shit ton of lurker scum we've got to deal with, but then oftentimes in a situation like this when town starts to lose this handily it's because scum activity >>>town activity.

Either way town needs to stop fucking lurking if they want to win this game.

Now do I live or die?

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 05:38 GMT

#1228

On June 14 2013 13:23 AxleGreaser wrote:
@Gravman
Please note I have read all of BHs end of day posts .
BH flipped green is good player, so they have weight with me.
I am starting my thoughts again as best I can.

Earlier you made the post below.
What I want you to do is think back and explain why you posted this.
What was your purpose and intent.
How did it benefit town, who needed at that time to know you thought that?

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On June 14 2013 00:38 GravityMan wrote:

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On June 13 2013 20:57 Sylencia wrote:

On June 13 2013 09:07 goodkarma wrote:
Catching up with the thread now. The first thing I'd like to address is this Syl post:

On June 12 2013 22:35 Sylencia wrote:

On June 12 2013 16:47 goodkarma wrote:

On June 12 2013 16:15 Sylencia wrote:
@GK: Why are you suggesting to waste a dayvig shot on me when the only reason you have is that I've been lurkier than others? You literally say before your 'analysis' on me that you think BH is scum and yet somehow I'm a more decent target for shooting? Ok..

I said you were flying under the radar, and that when you are here you seem to be content to agree with a stance here and there and not really add anything. It's not about your "lurkiness," but what you aren't doing when you are here.

I'm assuming from what Vayne has said he plans to use his vig shot today. Therefore, we need to determine two scum candidates for this cycle.

None of this really is that difficult to understand. While you're here, would you mind providing an opinion on anything?

Or more specifically, perhaps elaborate on your top scumread?

If Vayne wants to use it as a shot, why aren't we lynching a top suspect first, and shooting during the night? Unless there's some sort of claim that can only be checked by death, I don't see a reason why it should be rushed so. (I'm not reading the power wrong, right?)

My top read at the time you posted was ShiaoPi, as I said I agreed with a lot of the points made by Stutters. I made that clear end of last night. I haven't fully digested ShiaoPi's response yet, but if I'm wrong on that account, my previous statement feels good:

On June 12 2013 01:24 Sylencia wrote:
@Oats: If GK doesn't have anything in the next 24 hours, I'd be willing to put money on a lurker scum team - something like him + stutters (maybe +1 if there's a third). The only one that sticks out is Blazinghand for causing chaos for no reason but idk if that's his playstyle - please fill me in there. Reasoning is everything has run too smoothly and there haven't felt like there have been any sort of misdirections so far. We had a blue claim on day 1, so having some sort of mayor takeover would be a pretty good idea in Day 1 for scum to take, as they can reliably target Vayne with no consequence. If he dies, he dies. If he doesn't, everyone just says someone protected him, and no one suspects the mayor. None of this happened, so unless Hapa is scum, everyone active seems town. Any problem with my reasoning?

For catching up, only having an analysis of 4 players (2 of which seem like afterthoughts), and a weak scumread based a lot on meta is pretty bad. I've heard from BH enough that you have slow starts, but idk define slow start, how long is it going to take to get the ball rolling, and out of all the players how is it that you've got thoughts on 2 lurky players over someone with a lot more points to consider such as Grav/WoS and Oats?

About GravityMan - I am also missing what is obvious about him that makes him scum according to BH, but the only point i"ll take from it is that he is the only one who disrupted Hapa's mayoral campaign with a sort of smear campaign against him. You can make reasons for why he did it if he's scum (potentially take power, and make hapa a suspect), but since that failed, would scum have chosen Hapa as the target of the NK over Vayne to clearly show that? Food for thought, seeing as that was the only real 'major' event that happened regarding mayoral campaigns.

First of all, the entire point of mentioning a good vigishot for Vayne is we should be treating this cycle like a doublelynch, as Hapa originally suggested. Even if Vayne opts to wait until the night to shoot, by discussing this now we have that much more information to go on in later cycles. For that reason, everyone should be doing this.

So you can't be bothered to review the latest posting of your top scumread, and you fall back on proposing a lurker scumteam if your top read convinces you he's town??? Explain to me how that isn't scum-motivated behavior?

Further, I provided a read on Grav in the post you're referencing, so it's clear you aren't reading the thread very closely. This is the kind of disinterest I'd expect from scum. I still believe you'd be a good vigi shot.

The fact I can actually rely on something which I believed to have been true from the night before shows the actual lack of contribution that you had brought to the table to this point. If I say you're scummy during N1, and you do nothing to change that view in D2, you're saying it's scum oriented for me to say I still think you're scum? Also yes, turns out I ended up thinking you did an analysis on GK which is yourself (it made perfect sense at the time somehow -_-).

In any case:

- Axle: How has this guy been able to fly under the radar this entire game? As far as I've read there's been very little suspicious cast on him, he's been questioned about his reads in which he's tip toed around the problem:

On June 13 2013 08:23 AxleGreaser wrote:

On June 13 2013 07:59 GravityMan wrote:
Axle, who do YOU think is scum?
We haven't had very many reads from you this game at all, just analysis and questions.

There is the obvious list, of people who have not contributed much.
There is the obvious list of turning Hapas list upside down and saying that.

One thing i dont want to do is get all in a low post count townies face, and shut them down.
So I wont be doing that.

The least clear intention I have is you. I see what "looks" like a tendency to Lynch BH for being BH.
I see posts that could well inflame him and make his ego come to the fore as town or scum.
This could have been their intention, or not.

It alludes to him suspecting GM (pretty much confirmed to be saying he suspects GM next post), but he doesn't push it at all. He said he doesn't want to shut a lurker down, but GM is far from a lurker, so why wouldn't he push a case there?

If there's someone in this game who is a prime example of being neutral on pretty much everything, it's Axle.

BH has been doing a lot of talking without a lot of pushing, but I'm pretty sure that Axle is a better option over BH. After a slow first half of Day 1, I think if BH was scum he'd easily adapt into a less active role in the game. He brings up points I don't think anyone else would be doing otherwise (possible VA fakeclaim etc.) and just by doing that I feel it's enough to justify keeping him around for longer. Without BH this town will be a dead town, with little to no deviation in thoughts.

GK I'm still willing to put my vote on him, idk how slow a start can be, but even his vote on BH didn't have any substance to it.

This is terrible honestly.
Axle seems like the towniest town that ever towned, and this case misrepresents him entirely. I'm not sure why people are letting this go.
He votes him based on the fact that Axle has been flying under the radar, and that he supposedly calls me a lurker? (hint: he's not referring to me)
That's his entire reasoning. The whole thing in that one post.

Why is Sylencia getting away with that exactly?
I mean I'm not a fan of Axle right now because he's tunneled me for about half the game but at least he's doing it in a reasonable way' I don't see scum pushing a read like he has with the analysis that he's done, and I've played with scum Axle before.

Now I have to get to Axle's case on me....sigh.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18880452 Link for Thread Context

I'm sick of writing essays answers to your hundreds of questions only to have you go and ignore what I say and think what you want anyway.
Take what I give you, and actually consider it.

Sylencia looks scummy to be and with that post I tried to make that evident.
The fact that he would point you out like that to me makes him look even scummier because to me it's obvious you're town and he didn't have much of a case to go on.
Like what kind of a question is 'who needed to know?' I was secretly trying to send a code to my scumbuddies. Obviously I'm fucking talking to the rest of town.

Axle I'm not going to go through every single one of my posts in the thread, explain why I posted them, who I was talking to, what my intent was, what I had just eaten 15 minutes ago, what my mother's middle name is, and my bank account number for you.

It's a little ridiculous. Either draw some fucking conclusions already or move on. It's enough.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 05:39 GMT

#1229

VA I'd be fine with you shooting him if the rest of the thread doesn't want me dead immediately.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 06:06 GMT

#1234

Welp, that answers our question as to who to lynch tomorrow.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 06:16 GMT

#1239

On June 14 2013 15:12 AxleGreaser wrote:

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and of course why.

Answer it yourself.
I'm sick of your questions.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 06:44 GMT

#1243

On June 14 2013 15:38 ShiaoPi wrote:

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If Vayne survives another night, he is fucking scum, I just don't see any townieness in his play at the moment. That shot on oats was pretty much a scumclaim in my opinion, fuck I wanted the shot on syl

Whoa, crazy.
Somebody who thinks for himself and comes up with his own answers.
I didn't even know it was possible!!

But yeah that was in effect a scumclaim from Vayne. I'm not exactly sure what the point was. Like...I guess he wanted to use the shot before he gives mayor to the next scum in line and wanted to shoot someone who maybe wouldn't cause an uproar amongst the surviving players. Obviously wrong about that. I'm guessing he didn't shoot me because scumteam thinks they can secure a mislynch on me at a later date. He couldn't shoot Axle or Shiao which leaves the lurkers....why not just shoot them? Hmmm....

Vayne/Sylencia scumteam Shiao?

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 06:51 GMT

#1248

Oh I just thought of something else about the setup. Somebody remind me of this when the night is over as I'll need another night to confirm whether I'm right or wrong.

OH another thing I just thought of. Maybe VA scumclaimed to protect Syl for a night? Possible scum PR or something?
Either way I don't see any way around offing the two of them.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 06:52 GMT

#1249

On June 14 2013 15:48 ShiaoPi wrote:

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The alternative of vayne being just stupid would mean GK is scum. But couple Vayne's play into the consideration besides the shot I think vayne scum is much more likely

He can't be that stupid.
He just can't.

Man it's nice to have somebody who thinks on the exact same wavelength for once.
I agree with basically everything you've said.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 06:56 GMT

#1251

On June 14 2013 15:53 goodkarma wrote:
And as for the Oats vigishot, there were definitely better shots.

I still believe we should be looking at Syl, Shao, and Stutters tomorrow.

Regarding Vayne:

He claimed cop, and there's been no counterclaims. There's certainly more than one scum in this setup, so we should leave him alive for now until we have a better picture of how plausible his claim is.

Nope. I have a good idea as to why he fakeclaimed, but again, it'll have to wait until the night is over.
I won't get shot tonight because I'm a juicy mislynch target so I'll explain after night actions go down.

And I completely disagree about Shiao as well. Replace him with yourself. Either way if you're scum you've got a couple days more left to live, so don't worry!

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 06:59 GMT

#1253

Off to bed. Will be active during the day tomorrow if people are around.

GravityMan

Guyana (French)188 Posts

June 14 2013 14:39 GMT

#1261

I'm pretty sure I've figured out exactly what's going on.
Vayne had to abandon his scumteam on short notice.

On June 14 2013 12:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
Well, as stated ill be shooting GM unless a lot of people object it. please respond quickly as ill be without internet in about 14ish hours for a few days.

He took the shot because of the above circumstances which I noted; Oats was probably the person he figured he may have been least likely to get flak for given his brief 'yolo' explanation. Again, he couldn't shoot Axle/Shiao 'cuz obvtown, not me 'cause wanted mislynch, which leaves the rest of scum in GK/Sylencia/Stutters.
I was wrong earlier, the shot wasn't taken to protect Sylencia and I know whyyyyy

Scum gon' hafta shoot me because I have this game figured out :D :D :D :D :D

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