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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 13:11 GMT
#643
On June 23 2013 22:10 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 22:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On June 23 2013 21:59 Xatalos wrote:
On June 23 2013 21:39 Kurumi wrote:
On June 23 2013 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, now I've had time to go through the last pages and reread some filters. Unfortunately I'm typing on our iPad, so it's a pain to write and edit this wall of text. At least I'll be home before deadline...

First things first. Gonzaw is looking purely town to me. The amount of constructive discussion he has added to the thread (focusing on Mafia hunting especially) has been enormous. I'd even go as far to say that if he's Mafia, he's playing against his win-condition and setting himself + his team up for a quick defeat.Weird choice of words, but I'll take it. I agree on town sentiment on Gonzaw. Not as sure about Acrofales, but his strong activity and pretty good focus on scumhunting makes him probably town in my eyes. I like his thinking about claiming role names, but he claimed the easiest ever (main character >_>) and he says he is suspicious of Zephirdd on basis that he told the thread he is drunk. Sounds like an early setup for a bus, but that might be me tinfoiling. He also believes that if there was indeed a roleblocker then sk8r is scum. Basically, there is a lot of assumptions in his posts and I am not really sure how to respond to that besides waiting for stuff to happen concerning his guesses. He is not afraid to fight and that'd paint him a weak green for me now. BC is more of a question mark to me. Apparently his vig-shot was real after all (?). In any case, his hyper-aggressive pushing, strong confidence in his own opinions and lack of care for possibly getting lynched for such behaviour makes him feel pretty townish. At least that's the general feeling I get from him, and it should be enough for now. BC is Town. I felt like he is and then The Crisis came and I believe he acted like he would act. Also I dont want to kill him D1 because that sucked every time we did it.

Then there are a ton of useless (completely or mostly) lurkers. Meapak, Zephirdd, austinmcc, strongandbig and Crossfire99. None of them are lynch-worthy right now IMO, but if this anti-town playstyle continues, I'd like a Vig-shot (or something like that) into this lurkish group. There's probably 1-2 Mafia in there, and even if not, nothing of value has been lost. Especially austinmcc makes me feel suspicious. I remember one previous game where we played together. His playstyle was radically different: I was basically certain of him being town during D1. Now, he has just posted weak filler material and questions from others, nothing really of his own.
I said that austin is fishing for tactics for some reason.. I did not raise another point in my post, but I believe he is less active than usually - I liked playing with austin together as town, since he was always a valuable asset.

These following players would make excellent targets for investigation during N1: geript, Kitaman27, sk8r, Dandel Ion. They all give me conflicting reads and basically make it impossible to say their alignment with any confidence. They've all been reasonably active though, so I want to see more of them during D2. Lynching or shooting them now wouldn't be optimal IMO.
I dislike you trying to make blues do stuff. Leave them alone. They shall do what they want.]
Then there are three players who I'd be ready to lynch today: Kurumi, S0lstice, WaveofShadow. WaveofShadow caught my attention early on with some weak scummy signals (most notably the forced "tryhard" attitude and just generally a cautious/forced approach to posting). His response to my pressure was also pretty weird, with a really apologetic tone and shifting the attention to Acrofales with quite "forced" reasoning. Other players have also brought up good points about some strange or outright scummy parts of his later play.
Biggest offense in Wave's play is going from trolling to normal play. I've done it in one of my Mafia games when I felt our game was falling apart. Nobody called me on this and I went back to trolling. I think we won that game, not sure.
Gonzaw made a good case on S0lstice and got me very curious about S0lstice's approach to the game. It feels like he's just throwing accusations here and there, somewhat participating in discussion but not really "pushing" anything, more like reacting to what others do. A really scummy approach to playing the game overall. Lynchable? Yes. More lynchable than WaveofShadow? Not sure yet.
I think same thing goes with s0lstice: he started troll-ish, relaxed and then started to post serious stuff.
Kurumi is almost a lurker, but not quite. What makes me suspicious is especially his highly defensive and passive-aggressive attitude to any suspicion directed towards him. He seems to like side-stepping accusations or attacking his accuser, not discussing the actual accusations or doing anything *positive* for the thread at all. Least scummy of these three IMO, but still on the scummy side.

I'll keep my vote on WaveofShadow for now, but I'll have to read his filter again (especially the later parts). Someone mentioned that he also made towny posts, but I didn't notice that yet, so gotta recheck what all he wrote... Be back later.


Hmm. Nobody disagrees with me?
Your troll->serious argument feels aimed at Dandel Ion.. But I'm not sure if I agree, since Dandel Ion did start trollish and got more serious later on, but I don't feel like it's any actual scumtell. More like fishing for reactions and conjuring discussion before there's much to talk about, although it'd be better to focus from the beginning IMO. In any case, I don't think that's a really good argument. (You didn't respond to my suspicion of you btw.)

Should I?


Just wondering. It feels weird to have "everyone" (well, you and Kurumi) completely (or almost in Kurumi's case) agreeing. Maybe I have improved and my arguments aren't as flawed anymore? Well, gotta wait more to judge that..

well i do disagree with details, like the town read on acro.
I also don't think i even need to be copchecked, but as i said
details...
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 13:16 GMT
#645
You have to tunnel him to make him post.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 13:54 GMT
#648
On June 23 2013 22:19 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 22:15 Xatalos wrote:
On June 23 2013 22:03 Kurumi wrote:
On June 23 2013 21:59 Xatalos wrote:
On June 23 2013 21:39 Kurumi wrote:
On June 23 2013 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, now I've had time to go through the last pages and reread some filters. Unfortunately I'm typing on our iPad, so it's a pain to write and edit this wall of text. At least I'll be home before deadline...

First things first. Gonzaw is looking purely town to me. The amount of constructive discussion he has added to the thread (focusing on Mafia hunting especially) has been enormous. I'd even go as far to say that if he's Mafia, he's playing against his win-condition and setting himself + his team up for a quick defeat.Weird choice of words, but I'll take it. I agree on town sentiment on Gonzaw. Not as sure about Acrofales, but his strong activity and pretty good focus on scumhunting makes him probably town in my eyes. I like his thinking about claiming role names, but he claimed the easiest ever (main character >_>) and he says he is suspicious of Zephirdd on basis that he told the thread he is drunk. Sounds like an early setup for a bus, but that might be me tinfoiling. He also believes that if there was indeed a roleblocker then sk8r is scum. Basically, there is a lot of assumptions in his posts and I am not really sure how to respond to that besides waiting for stuff to happen concerning his guesses. He is not afraid to fight and that'd paint him a weak green for me now. BC is more of a question mark to me. Apparently his vig-shot was real after all (?). In any case, his hyper-aggressive pushing, strong confidence in his own opinions and lack of care for possibly getting lynched for such behaviour makes him feel pretty townish. At least that's the general feeling I get from him, and it should be enough for now. BC is Town. I felt like he is and then The Crisis came and I believe he acted like he would act. Also I dont want to kill him D1 because that sucked every time we did it.

Then there are a ton of useless (completely or mostly) lurkers. Meapak, Zephirdd, austinmcc, strongandbig and Crossfire99. None of them are lynch-worthy right now IMO, but if this anti-town playstyle continues, I'd like a Vig-shot (or something like that) into this lurkish group. There's probably 1-2 Mafia in there, and even if not, nothing of value has been lost. Especially austinmcc makes me feel suspicious. I remember one previous game where we played together. His playstyle was radically different: I was basically certain of him being town during D1. Now, he has just posted weak filler material and questions from others, nothing really of his own.
I said that austin is fishing for tactics for some reason.. I did not raise another point in my post, but I believe he is less active than usually - I liked playing with austin together as town, since he was always a valuable asset.

These following players would make excellent targets for investigation during N1: geript, Kitaman27, sk8r, Dandel Ion. They all give me conflicting reads and basically make it impossible to say their alignment with any confidence. They've all been reasonably active though, so I want to see more of them during D2. Lynching or shooting them now wouldn't be optimal IMO.
I dislike you trying to make blues do stuff. Leave them alone. They shall do what they want.]
Then there are three players who I'd be ready to lynch today: Kurumi, S0lstice, WaveofShadow. WaveofShadow caught my attention early on with some weak scummy signals (most notably the forced "tryhard" attitude and just generally a cautious/forced approach to posting). His response to my pressure was also pretty weird, with a really apologetic tone and shifting the attention to Acrofales with quite "forced" reasoning. Other players have also brought up good points about some strange or outright scummy parts of his later play.
Biggest offense in Wave's play is going from trolling to normal play. I've done it in one of my Mafia games when I felt our game was falling apart. Nobody called me on this and I went back to trolling. I think we won that game, not sure.
Gonzaw made a good case on S0lstice and got me very curious about S0lstice's approach to the game. It feels like he's just throwing accusations here and there, somewhat participating in discussion but not really "pushing" anything, more like reacting to what others do. A really scummy approach to playing the game overall. Lynchable? Yes. More lynchable than WaveofShadow? Not sure yet.
I think same thing goes with s0lstice: he started troll-ish, relaxed and then started to post serious stuff.
Kurumi is almost a lurker, but not quite. What makes me suspicious is especially his highly defensive and passive-aggressive attitude to any suspicion directed towards him. He seems to like side-stepping accusations or attacking his accuser, not discussing the actual accusations or doing anything *positive* for the thread at all. Least scummy of these three IMO, but still on the scummy side.

I'll keep my vote on WaveofShadow for now, but I'll have to read his filter again (especially the later parts). Someone mentioned that he also made towny posts, but I didn't notice that yet, so gotta recheck what all he wrote... Be back later.


Hmm. Nobody disagrees with me? Your troll->serious argument feels aimed at Dandel Ion.. But I'm not sure if I agree, since Dandel Ion did start trollish and got more serious later on, but I don't feel like it's any actual scumtell. More like fishing for reactions and conjuring discussion before there's much to talk about, although it'd be better to focus from the beginning IMO. In any case, I don't think that's a really good argument. (You didn't respond to my suspicion of you btw.)

How am I supposed to respond to that? I am playing, I am aggressive and was not really active. Sue me.

If you were Attention Seeker, then yes. Why are you asking Dandel?


Could you elaborate on that last sentence? Didn't quite understand it.

Hmmm. Dodging again. It feels like you haven't answered a single accusation/question straight on yet (except those semantics with Dandel Ion I guess).

You mean the sentence aimed at Dandel or at you?
I am not going to defend myself. I just don't care enough to defend myself. I don't have a super-duper overpowered role so I can die, it'd suck, but what can I do. I'd just sigh and say "I played badly, my fault". There is nothing more to say.

You could also just not play badly.

On June 23 2013 22:19 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 22:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
On June 23 2013 22:10 Xatalos wrote:
On June 23 2013 22:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On June 23 2013 21:59 Xatalos wrote:
On June 23 2013 21:39 Kurumi wrote:
On June 23 2013 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, now I've had time to go through the last pages and reread some filters. Unfortunately I'm typing on our iPad, so it's a pain to write and edit this wall of text. At least I'll be home before deadline...

First things first. Gonzaw is looking purely town to me. The amount of constructive discussion he has added to the thread (focusing on Mafia hunting especially) has been enormous. I'd even go as far to say that if he's Mafia, he's playing against his win-condition and setting himself + his team up for a quick defeat.Weird choice of words, but I'll take it. I agree on town sentiment on Gonzaw. Not as sure about Acrofales, but his strong activity and pretty good focus on scumhunting makes him probably town in my eyes. I like his thinking about claiming role names, but he claimed the easiest ever (main character >_>) and he says he is suspicious of Zephirdd on basis that he told the thread he is drunk. Sounds like an early setup for a bus, but that might be me tinfoiling. He also believes that if there was indeed a roleblocker then sk8r is scum. Basically, there is a lot of assumptions in his posts and I am not really sure how to respond to that besides waiting for stuff to happen concerning his guesses. He is not afraid to fight and that'd paint him a weak green for me now. BC is more of a question mark to me. Apparently his vig-shot was real after all (?). In any case, his hyper-aggressive pushing, strong confidence in his own opinions and lack of care for possibly getting lynched for such behaviour makes him feel pretty townish. At least that's the general feeling I get from him, and it should be enough for now. BC is Town. I felt like he is and then The Crisis came and I believe he acted like he would act. Also I dont want to kill him D1 because that sucked every time we did it.

Then there are a ton of useless (completely or mostly) lurkers. Meapak, Zephirdd, austinmcc, strongandbig and Crossfire99. None of them are lynch-worthy right now IMO, but if this anti-town playstyle continues, I'd like a Vig-shot (or something like that) into this lurkish group. There's probably 1-2 Mafia in there, and even if not, nothing of value has been lost. Especially austinmcc makes me feel suspicious. I remember one previous game where we played together. His playstyle was radically different: I was basically certain of him being town during D1. Now, he has just posted weak filler material and questions from others, nothing really of his own.
I said that austin is fishing for tactics for some reason.. I did not raise another point in my post, but I believe he is less active than usually - I liked playing with austin together as town, since he was always a valuable asset.

These following players would make excellent targets for investigation during N1: geript, Kitaman27, sk8r, Dandel Ion. They all give me conflicting reads and basically make it impossible to say their alignment with any confidence. They've all been reasonably active though, so I want to see more of them during D2. Lynching or shooting them now wouldn't be optimal IMO.
I dislike you trying to make blues do stuff. Leave them alone. They shall do what they want.]
Then there are three players who I'd be ready to lynch today: Kurumi, S0lstice, WaveofShadow. WaveofShadow caught my attention early on with some weak scummy signals (most notably the forced "tryhard" attitude and just generally a cautious/forced approach to posting). His response to my pressure was also pretty weird, with a really apologetic tone and shifting the attention to Acrofales with quite "forced" reasoning. Other players have also brought up good points about some strange or outright scummy parts of his later play.
Biggest offense in Wave's play is going from trolling to normal play. I've done it in one of my Mafia games when I felt our game was falling apart. Nobody called me on this and I went back to trolling. I think we won that game, not sure.
Gonzaw made a good case on S0lstice and got me very curious about S0lstice's approach to the game. It feels like he's just throwing accusations here and there, somewhat participating in discussion but not really "pushing" anything, more like reacting to what others do. A really scummy approach to playing the game overall. Lynchable? Yes. More lynchable than WaveofShadow? Not sure yet.
I think same thing goes with s0lstice: he started troll-ish, relaxed and then started to post serious stuff.
Kurumi is almost a lurker, but not quite. What makes me suspicious is especially his highly defensive and passive-aggressive attitude to any suspicion directed towards him. He seems to like side-stepping accusations or attacking his accuser, not discussing the actual accusations or doing anything *positive* for the thread at all. Least scummy of these three IMO, but still on the scummy side.

I'll keep my vote on WaveofShadow for now, but I'll have to read his filter again (especially the later parts). Someone mentioned that he also made towny posts, but I didn't notice that yet, so gotta recheck what all he wrote... Be back later.


Hmm. Nobody disagrees with me?
Your troll->serious argument feels aimed at Dandel Ion.. But I'm not sure if I agree, since Dandel Ion did start trollish and got more serious later on, but I don't feel like it's any actual scumtell. More like fishing for reactions and conjuring discussion before there's much to talk about, although it'd be better to focus from the beginning IMO. In any case, I don't think that's a really good argument. (You didn't respond to my suspicion of you btw.)

Should I?


Just wondering. It feels weird to have "everyone" (well, you and Kurumi) completely (or almost in Kurumi's case) agreeing. Maybe I have improved and my arguments aren't as flawed anymore? Well, gotta wait more to judge that..

well i do disagree with details, like the town read on acro.
I also don't think i even need to be copchecked, but as i said
details...


Why is Acro not townish btw? Do you see him as scummy or just neutral/null? Like I said, I don't see him as purely townish like Gonzaw, but I don't see any good reasons to suspect him either. Maybe a little cautious and passive attitude, but that's about it, and not nearly enough to suspect IMO.

He's posting but he usually does. His posts have no impact tho, imo. I don't see how they make him town.

Anyways, I'll just wait for the patented Acro bus, it's guaranteed to come if he's scum and really easy to tell.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 14:59 GMT
#654
On June 23 2013 23:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Dandel have you played with Zephirdd before?

dunno

I don't think so.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 15:17 GMT
#657
Yeah I guess we should start a proper bandwagon about now.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 16:56 GMT
#667
On June 24 2013 01:41 Xatalos wrote:
Dandel Ion, you really think we should lynch Zephirdd over s0Lstice...?

over s0l? yes.

But there are still like 5 people I'd rather lynch over zeph, s0l is not one of them tho.

At this point, I just don't want no no-lynch.
5 people are not even voting, about as many throw away their votes on randoms.
what's a brother to do.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 16:58 GMT
#669
Actually counted, it's only 4.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:01 GMT
#672
snb is probably a decently good lynch.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:02 GMT
#674
that however is not a decently good lynch
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:03 GMT
#676
On June 24 2013 02:02 Acrofales wrote:
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On June 24 2013 02:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
that however is not a decently good lynch

Explain to me why sk8er is town.

explain why he's scum and I'm not.

you should be doing the whole omgwtfbbq shabazzle to my vote on zephiredd too since it was pretty much the same thing.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:04 GMT
#679
I'm feeling austin, actually.

##austin
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:06 GMT
#680
On June 24 2013 02:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Solstice is scum.
I'm sure of it.
##Vote: s0Lstice

I probably won't be around until later but guys trust me on this.
WAGON OF JUSTICEEEEEEE

that post took you 16 hours?
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:08 GMT
#683
On June 24 2013 02:06 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 01:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
On June 24 2013 01:41 Xatalos wrote:
Dandel Ion, you really think we should lynch Zephirdd over s0Lstice...?

over s0l? yes.

But there are still like 5 people I'd rather lynch over zeph, s0l is not one of them tho.

At this point, I just don't want no no-lynch.
5 people are not even voting, about as many throw away their votes on randoms.
what's a brother to do.


Wait, this is majority lynch? I thought the one with most votes at the end gets lynched?

So who are these 5 people then... Because I thought you agreed at least on s0Lstice earlier when you "agreed with my reads".

no 9 votes are needed.

I retcon'd it down to 4 and those are austin, snb, crossfire and geript.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:10 GMT
#686
Right now I'd also like to lynch acro, but people are prolly not going to be on board.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:10 GMT
#687
Oh and I'd lynch Wave.

That should be everyone for now.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:12 GMT
#690
Zephirdd never held the majority though.

not that it matters who is leading the vc when you run dedaline majority
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:12 GMT
#691
ebowp that post should have probably been in green^
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:15 GMT
#694
On June 24 2013 02:14 Acrofales wrote:
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On June 24 2013 02:04 s0Lstice wrote:
After that big post I'd think Austin would be a good pivot for you Acro. What are you doing?

I'm waiting for him to reply, because he seems to be around (at least somewhat) and I am not completely convinced he's scum, but well on my way there.

SnB is based on meta.

sk8er is based on him not giving a shit about who he lynches, as long as someone dies.

look at the votecount.

We SHOULD be giving a shit about getting a lynch atm. Who is almost secondary atm.

But you may also keep wasting your vote if you don't give a shit about the lynch.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:22 GMT
#697
I don't think that s0l is town.

There's just far more lynchable people.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 17:27 GMT
#699
On June 24 2013 02:23 Acrofales wrote:
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On June 24 2013 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
On June 24 2013 02:14 Acrofales wrote:
On June 24 2013 02:04 s0Lstice wrote:
After that big post I'd think Austin would be a good pivot for you Acro. What are you doing?

I'm waiting for him to reply, because he seems to be around (at least somewhat) and I am not completely convinced he's scum, but well on my way there.

SnB is based on meta.

sk8er is based on him not giving a shit about who he lynches, as long as someone dies.

look at the votecount.

We SHOULD be giving a shit about getting a lynch atm. Who is almost secondary atm.

But you may also keep wasting your vote if you don't give a shit about the lynch.

I know you always play like this, and it is pointless to try and convince you otherwise, especially as I won't even be around for the deadline, so I can't even push a proper counterwagon, but we should be trying to lynch scum, not just randomly lynch SOMEONE.

Especially as I don't even have a clear scumread on the guy who is currently vote leader (which does not really mean anything until he has a majority).

Filtering sk8er again, but by memory, his play boils down to this:

1. Aggressive and trolly start. Unexpected if scum, for being new to the forum. So townie points.

2. Strange reaction to the shot, and didn't actually do anything with it. Not giving out reads, not figuring out what BC's alignment is.

3. Doesn't care where he votes.

Point 1 simply doesn't hold up in the face of 2 and 3. Lets kill him.

So you know you can't herd in a lynch because you're not going to be here, but still feel the need to start an entirely new wagon that's clearly not going anywhere.

And the point of this is _____?
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