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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 25 2013 11:43 GMT
#1161
This is my thought process regarding marv and his actions today:

[14:32] <Oatsmaster> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=58#1160
[14:32] <Oatsmaster> so marv scum or town
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> i don't understand
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> why is he not trying to convince us MZ is not town?
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> why the fuck would you not do that if you are town?
[14:36] <Oatsmaster> why the fuck would you not do that if you are scum?
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> to buy time
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> he is trying to get us to find the mole
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> buy what time?
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> which we don't even know exists for sure
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> oh
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> like not lynch MZ
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> yeah
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> so that there is uncertainty
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> if we are looking for non-existent mole
[14:42] <raynpelikoneet> it is possible laya was masoned with scum, say wiggles
[14:42] <Oatsmaster> yeah
[14:42] <raynpelikoneet> and people are trying to find the mole in you/me/Koshi/Korynne
[14:42] <Oatsmaster> go and post that
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 25 2013 16:40 GMT
#1168
##Unvote:
##Vote: Strongandbig


That post like any other of his post is full of shit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 25 2013 16:52 GMT
#1169
btw here are my mason logs with MZ.

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You probably should, because regardless of your alignment the way you are playing is gonna get you killed. :D

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
lol yeah I guess you can. That means I'll have to start tryharding in the thread -_-

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Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
Do you mind if i post this in thread? I don't want to lynch you as i think you are far more likely to be town than marv.

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
Wiggles logs. This kind of apathy and general lack of focus is very indicative of scum wiggles. I've trolled the thread this whole game, I was planning to stop D2 but then I realized I wasn't getting lynched so I never really felt like stopping. Also vayne is pissing me off so I'm just being obstinate with him. Normally I wouldn't do this, but since there are PMs this game I'll just discuss the goings on with people outside the thread. I had initially hoped wiggles would be active and we could talk a lot but now he's looking really scummy... perhaps my initial trolling trap actually caught him lol.

I really don't mind being the lynch today as long as marv is dead tomorrow. From there S&B and wiggles need to die ASAP.

Messages from wiggles, read bottom to top.

You're oddly quiet, what do you think about a layabout, sloosh, s&b scum team?

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Looks like there's more pressure on you today. I don't think you're the best lynch though. Are you planning on stopping it yourself? I'd be willing to help try to move the lynch off of you, but that would be awkward without basically posting everything here.

Hide nested quote -
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
There is no such role as SK in this game and yet when I mentioned it FT was rearin to go and kill Ace. SK's are very bad for scum and it's easy to look townie going after an SK. It was an easy bait and FT jumped on it. I was just trolling but FT had a really bad reaction.

Maybe he's town since he quoted the PM, we'll see if he gets modkilled.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
What are your thoughts on Vivax, and what do you think of Kholly's claim? I ask because Vivax masoned me, and we talked for a while. Some of what he was saying made sense, but if he's actually mafia, it would be useful information, since he was pushing certain people quite hard in PM. I'm not sure if I believe Kholly. He's been trolling the whole game, and in my communications with Vivax, he didn't come off as scum to me. So, there's a discrepancy between my own reads and what Kholly's saying, and based on kholly's performance so far, I don't see much of a reason to believe him.

Do you actually think FT is scum? I'm not sure of it.

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
I'm not gonna say this in the thread but Ace worries me a lot and I would be so happy if he was dead. As for S&B, he says he's suspicious of Ace, Sloosh, and layabout. Those are personally fine scum reads in my book but he also jumped on the FT lynch wagon very fast for someone who is supposedly suspicious of Ace. I'm gonna keep trolling the thread for a while but I'm really interested to see who keeps pushing FT now that Ace has revealed he was lying.

What are your thoughts? If you think S&B is really that scummy you should analyze his ass.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
What are your thoughts on Strongandbig? What are your thoughts on the lynch today? What do you think of Ace's trolling?

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
Yeah my alignment is gonna be wifom for you atm and for that I apologize, I'm town but I don't expect you to believe that. My behavior is a result of me genuinely missing the beginning of the game so I decided just to go balls out and play my scum meta until someone noticed. I was really hoping you would get a wagon started because I look like such lynchbait but that didn't happen.

I'm fairly certain VE is town. I've tried to kill him multiple times for similar behavior and he has an annoying knack for flipping town. I also don't think Tofu is scum, I just get a townie vibe from him and his posts thus far seem very genuine and not at all the way DrH is portraying them. I wouldn't at all mind seeing DrH dead since he's just being so toxic which is why I'm voting him. That and I'm really not too motivated to try and whip up an entirely new lynch in the waning hours before the deadline.

I am currently extremely concerned by sandroba's absence, I was actually planning on PMing him right off the bat but he's been afk and that makes me nervous. Aside from him there are an irritating number of inactive people.

I have to be perfectly honest, I have not been reading this game very carefully thus far, I was hoping I could get a wagon started on me and thus maybe catch a few scum being sloppy bandwagoners but that didn't pan out. The issue is the longer I play this way, the more legitimate the case against me will become so sometime tonight I'm gonna have to invest some time in so I'm properly caught up.

As for possible scum reads, at the moment I have layabout since he's been jumping back and forth on reads basically depending on who is active in the thread. He promised a case on vivax and then never followed through.

I'm not vivax's special friend, you're the only person I've masoned thus far.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
I'm not too sure. I'm not really convinced at the moment either of Dr. H or Tofu are scum, at least not enough to lynch them. I felt like the VE case was alright, but as we get closer to the deadline and how people are acting about it, I'm less sure. Lynching someone like Malongo feels like a waste and a coinflip.

I'm a bit back and forth on Strongandbig, and someone else who's sticking out to me a bit now that I'm looking at more filters is Hiro. He's playing very neutrally and making an effort to explain things or ask questions while not really doing too much. For example, he hasn't offered much on who the thinks scum are besides quite lightly pushing Sloosh, but not putting too much effort into getting him lynched. He says he thinks sloosh is scum, votes for him, but in his later posts never mentions him again, even though he isn't leading in votes. It makes it seem like he doesn't care that much who gets lynched.

So, probably one of those two. Strongandbig I'm going back and forth on, and after reading again, Hiro looks scummy.

A better question, is who do you think is scum? If your behaviour is on purpose to see who would call you scum, how am I supposed to think you're town? It's quite WIFOM-y isn't it?

Are you Vivax's special friend?
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
So you're the only person who noticed I was basically playing my scum meta so you're smart enough for me to PM. If you could lynch someone other than me who would it be?

Also keep pushing me in the thread, I'd rather you not reveal I've PM'd you.


Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
So SnB, Oats, Wiggles and who are scum?
Can you fwd me the PM's with Wiggles?

I am pretty busy tomorrw, but tha latter part of dayphase i will be online much. Too much work, today was 20 hours. I could only post on breaks. :E

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
I have PMs from wiggles, I think he's scum. Marv is probably SK. Its not gonna be too hard to go through the thread and figure it out from there. I'll send more when I get home.

Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
Sorry i have not had much time for PM's. Fine, let's solve this. What was on your mind?

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
let's solve the game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2013 00:17 GMT
#1178
Korynne so which one of marv/MZ do we lynch? And why?
You seem to want to lynch into them, at least tell which one them. And what makes that person not town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 27 2013 07:19 GMT
#1288
What a surprise that was. Can we now cut the bullshit and lynch the rest of the scum?
Oats will die tonight if he is a real cop. That'll confirm us many peeps in a direction or another and it's good. If he is alive at the day start we got another check or "check". That's also good.

I'm starting to lean on mafia on Korynne. If Meapak is in fact town Wiggles is most likely scum. One of MZ/marv has to be at least anti-town. I don't buy the framer shit. I gotta reread a couple of filters when this shit workday is over.

Oats / Korynne / Koshi / MZ: I'm home probably in ~10-12 hours. Can you guys get on irc then? If you can't, please PM me your thoughts on remaining scum. I would also like to hear from marv & kush in thread. If you have discussed the game via PM's please post them in thread. We need as much content as possible now, so we can figure this shit out. I'm especially interested in hearing from marv, now is your time to step up. You won't die for sure if you are town because that would pretty much confirm MZ as anti-town. I would like to discuss the game with you, because we have not been able to do so this game and you have been mostly working on PM's.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 12:54 GMT
#1340
lol dat Korynne role PM. Mafia has either another pardoner or some sort of a copycat. Or Korynne could actually pardon mafia and that only shows after her flip. I have pushed a mafia lynch every single fucking day of this game.

Now we are lynching Meapak who is either mafia or SK.

##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Cheks don't lie.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 19:09 GMT
#1350
lol for all the people who are not voting for MZ.
You really do not vote for a guy who has a non-town check on him from confirmed cops?

wtf is wrong with this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 20:48 GMT
#1352
I will if you flip town. I am just inclined to believe the checks at this point.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 22:40 GMT
#1354
I have not fucking pardoned Sloosh. That's so ridiculous to even suggest so.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 23:05 GMT
#1358
Actually Vayne you might be onto something. That's not a far-fetched assumption that mafia has a GF.
Although i fucking know mafia has 2 pardoners or Korynne's role PM was faked somehow.

Meapak's post is full of shit (the one where he does accuse me of pardoning Sloosh).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 00:13 GMT
#1370
On July 29 2013 08:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
FT was green.

You and FT are Same.

You and I are different.

I know I am green.

The only way for you to be scum is if you're a gf and I got framed or I'm a miller.

Fuckit you're right that's too implausible. Let's just lynch me today so we can stop arguing and then lynch wiggles tomorrow.

Ahh so not lynch marv any more?
gg, you scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 00:16 GMT
#1371
On July 29 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote:
You could be miller, either of us could have been framed night 2, and with basic logic with my logs with flipped mafia and the lynch yesterday, it's practically impossible I'm mafia. You should be able to see that. Checks aren't always flawless especially when they're split over various players over various nights.

In fact if I'm godfather and you're town, then the checks on us would have returned SAME right, not different? So I don't understand what your angle is there.

You should stop martyring yourself because if you're town then lynching you achieves very little because your flip doesn't confirm anything to anyone. See what I'm saying?

Spot on there. What do you think of Vayne based on that?
I was purposely agreeing with him on the GF thing as it is completely wrong, to see if people figure that shit out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 01:32 GMT
#1374
On July 29 2013 09:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
actually im sorry but you are the one that is wrong here rayn if you were truly trying to trick me.

the scenario was marv being GF and meapak being miller. They would be of different alignments.

You think it's a fair scenario that marv is a GF and Meapak is a miller? huh, you are assuming a lot.

Why can't Wiggles just be really really busy and not be able to post much? Because to me that sounds like a better assumption than that GF-miller stuff you are consipracing on. Am i mafia pardoner too? Why are you not voting for me, fuck, that's like the easiest thing to assume yet you did call me confirmed town because of my role...

scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 01:36 GMT
#1376
If that's not the most likely possibility then why are you not voting for Meapak/marv?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 01:45 GMT
#1379
On July 29 2013 10:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yea I'm sure wiggles has been busy for like 2 weeks now or whatever it is but conveniently has had time to vote for every cycle xD

any1 else find that post rayn just made weird?

You, of all the guys do not trust night checks / kills. You, the same guy who says "i don't do shit on D1 because of no information from night phase" is now ignoring the night actions. You push on some retarded conspiracy theories over a confirmed cop checks assuming a godfather AND a miller AND they happened to be checked the same night by 2 different confirmed parity cops?

I think you are trying to look better when Wiggles turns up scum, because SK!meapak now if alive has to help mafia, because you are in a fucking bad spot.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 01:57 GMT
#1381
On July 29 2013 10:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On July 29 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 29 2013 10:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yea I'm sure wiggles has been busy for like 2 weeks now or whatever it is but conveniently has had time to vote for every cycle xD

any1 else find that post rayn just made weird?

You, of all the guys do not trust night checks / kills. You, the same guy who says "i don't do shit on D1 because of no information from night phase" is now ignoring the night actions. You push on some retarded conspiracy theories over a confirmed cop checks assuming a godfather AND a miller AND they happened to be checked the same night by 2 different confirmed parity cops?

I think you are trying to look better when Wiggles turns up scum, because SK!meapak now if alive has to help mafia, because you are in a fucking bad spot.


A few things here

I'm not ignoring the night actions. In fact due to the night actions and how wiggles has acted it makes him more scummy.

I pushed a "retarded conspiracy theory" yesterday for my vote on marv. Why the sudden change in attitude over one that is wayyy less farfetched?

IM NOT ASSUMING A GODFATHER FOR THE LAST TIME. I know its tough to read since I fail at it a lot too but you seriously need to re-read. I ONLY THINK MEAPAK IS MILLER. NOWHERE DO I THINK MARV IS GODFATHER. MEAPAK THINKS MARV IS GODFATHER.

ok now that you hopefully understand that.

Yea I'm bussing my last partner for cred when I can get shot at by SK at any moment and lose the game there. When I refused to bus my other teammate SnB at a way more convienent time. That makes so much fucking sense how did I not see that!

Please think logically about what I just said and realize that just as I was wrong about you, you are wrong about me here. Its borderline retarded.

Then why are you not voting for Meapak because there is the "same" check on marv - FT?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 02:03 GMT
#1384
You don't think Meapak's logic is flawed here?

Meapak thinks marv is GF, he is miller -> cop has "different" check on them. MAKES SENSE!
Why again are you not voting for Meapak?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 02:06 GMT
#1386
That's why i said his post was full of shit. When i say stuff like that people need to reread those posts. If they don't i think they are scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 18:46 GMT
#1433
Okay lynch Wiggles. He is scum and so is VA.

MZ is probably SK but Wiggles and VA are pretty damn sure the last scum remaining.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 29 2013 18:47 GMT
#1434
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mr.Wiggles
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