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On June 12 2013 20:11 prplhz wrote:
You know what Ace clearly thought this through so I'm not going to lynch [UoN]Sentinel solely because of the JarJarDrinks analysis even though it's pretty good.
Can you answer my last question to you?
It'd be nice if you could point out what of the JJD analysis you find most convincing, and show me your arguments for me being scum.
As for Sentinel, the guy seems absolutely careless about the game at this point. I'm not sure if I can interpret scumminess into it, he might be lazy, frustrated or thinks it's funny to play dead weight. He'd be more of a policy lynch than anything else. His flip-flop ace - Oats was basically the opposite of what kita did. I'm not sure which of the two versions scum is most likely to do in that situation.
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On June 12 2013 22:09 prplhz wrote:
I'm pretty sure that wasn't really a question so no I'm not going to answer it.
JarJarDrinks said that Ace would only fake a red check if scum was up for lynch, and [UoN]Sentinel was up for lynch because of the scumslip. I kind of agree with this but I think I need to think it over anyway.
Looks like I need to make it comprehensible just for you: Why did you agree with WoS' case, which was unrelated to Rayn's activity (ie the townread on Vayne), to then proceed to defend Rayn after he gave an excuse for his activity?
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Hi, I'm your cop for today.
Taking bets on my check target and result.
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On June 13 2013 09:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Putting $5 on scum prpl.
Nope.
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I'm not sure if I'll like the consequences of this cause you seem intent to lynch me or him, but I checked Sentinel and he's town.
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On June 13 2013 09:20 Stutters695 wrote:I think I'd rather see sent flip, but I can get behind this for now ##vote: VivaxGonna do some filter diving, playing two games with multiple people is getting me all sorts of fucked up.
Well, it's probably better if you lynch me first, if you lynch Sentinel first you still wouldn't know if I'm town once he flips green (assuming he didn't roll GF).
Of course I'd like to dissuade you from that and rather go with me and Sent being able to keep rolling and ask you to reconsider prplhz for lynch.
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Either kita got hit or Sentinel is godfather.
More likely kita got hit prolly, which would be weird cause he aims to lynch me and Sentinel, but maybe scum was banking on townies sheeping him post-death.
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Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.
Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time.
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On June 13 2013 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote:
Either kita got hit or Sentinel is godfather.
More likely kita got hit prolly, which would be weird cause he aims to lynch me and Sentinel, but maybe scum was banking on townies sheeping him post-death. Or you're scum and getting us to play 'follow the cop' again. Based on the RB results last night I feel like this might be likely.
I'm not scum, but I would like to hear the version of facts you find most likely nontheless.
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On June 13 2013 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.
Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time. Why is that a scumtell? Hasn't he never rolled scum before? Isn't his activity always shit on weekends and such?
Cause scum try to look tryhard when the game starts, but don't consistently keep it up.
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On June 13 2013 09:54 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.
Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time. Trying to make up a case on me again? Didn't work in yanmm
You mentioned some tells being "pretty damning". I'm really curious to hear them. So far you've been sparse with sharing them.
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On June 13 2013 10:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Read the thread, I was trying to imply I was a cop to soak up a NK with my Vet role. Otherwise if I had something I would have posted it without any delay because waiting would accomplish nothing if I had a case.
Does that mean you cannot mention anything on your own as reason for me being scum? You went from null to faking roles to sheeping votes?
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On June 13 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 09:49 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2013 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.
Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time. Why is that a scumtell? Hasn't he never rolled scum before? Isn't his activity always shit on weekends and such? Cause scum try to look tryhard when the game starts, but don't consistently keep it up. I disgaree but that's not what I'm focused on right now. Vivax I'm diving you as soon as I get the chance as I'm not lynching solely on the basis of PR return.
You forgot my initial case against prplhz in Carnival, before I sheeped BH out of a crazy sentiment.
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On June 13 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:15 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2013 09:49 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2013 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.
Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time. Why is that a scumtell? Hasn't he never rolled scum before? Isn't his activity always shit on weekends and such? Cause scum try to look tryhard when the game starts, but don't consistently keep it up. I disgaree but that's not what I'm focused on right now. Vivax I'm diving you as soon as I get the chance as I'm not lynching solely on the basis of PR return. You forgot my initial case against prplhz in Carnival, before I sheeped BH out of a crazy sentiment. What? Are you replying to something else?
No. Prplhz was scum in Carnival cruise for starting the game tryhard with serious posts, then posting less over time.
Similarly, stutters started by writing cases, being comparatively active.
I have no idea who else could be scum. Vayne + WoS must be town unless doublestack, Sentinel is likely town, kita is likely town too and with him fuba. Unless scum did serious stunts with the NKs or jay is scum and layabout godfather/scumbuddy, the only remaining scum can be prphlz, stutters. But it would mean that stutters first case was on prplhz, and that doesn't really add up, unless it was staged, which is more probable than assuming that there's scum in the semi-confirmed mix.
Prplhz waffled around during the Rayn lynch, stutters voted Rayn late cause shrooms iirc. I'd start with prplhz cause he used a similar tactic to ace's and he keeps dodging my question to his stances during that time.
##Vote prplhz
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On June 13 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
I apologize if you are town vivax but lynching you solves the game for me FMPOV. If you were Rb'ed the other night and show up as scum, then WoS goes back to not being clear. If you are town then I know that WoS is also town and as a result his RB on sentinel is real, and your cop claim is real, meaning sentinel would either have to be godfather or it was simply kita that was shot which would clear him too.
You are the piece that sets a lot of things into motion.
##vote:Vivax
If you lynch prplhz and he flips scum you will know I'm town as well, except that you won't lose a townie to find that out.
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On June 13 2013 10:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:39 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 13 2013 10:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 13 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
I apologize if you are town vivax but lynching you solves the game for me FMPOV. If you were Rb'ed the other night and show up as scum, then WoS goes back to not being clear. If you are town then I know that WoS is also town and as a result his RB on sentinel is real, and your cop claim is real, meaning sentinel would either have to be godfather or it was simply kita that was shot which would clear him too.
You are the piece that sets a lot of things into motion.
##vote:Vivax Explain this justification I have a hard time connecting the words in the first paragraph with the vote in the second. it's a win/win. If he's scum then one more down, if he's town then it confirms a lot of things for me. Also pretty much 1 of prphlz/stutters has to be scum if vivax flips town. He is the missing link. So you are admitting to the possibility that he's town and it would make a lot of other things make sense as a result? Why can prplhz and stutters not be of different alignments? Why is your post so scummy?
He can't be scum cause he saved WoS N2.
Unless scum doublestacked JJD there was a save involved, and that makes both WoS and Vayne town.
Take your pick.
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On June 13 2013 21:12 prplhz wrote:Well the strongest part of my Vivax scum read is actually how he acted around the raynpelikoneet lynch. Vivax was the 4th vote for raynpelikoneet. At this time the thread was clearly turning against raynpelikoneet because the last couple of votes cast were all on raynpelikoneet. Not just this but the votes (by WaveofShadow and mkfuba07) were accompanied by analysis (and I had complimented WaveofShadow's analysis). Vivax' vote for raynpelikoneet seems rather fake, "All aboard the wagon of justice" but no analysis or anything, it's just a vote (but formatted like it's actually something else, contrast Stutters695's vote which is also just a vote and also looks like what it is). Then VayneAuthority makes a silly vote and Vivax notices this, however he does not react on it in any other way than pointing it out. Then WaveofShadow points out the exact same thing and only then does Vivax find the courage to vote for VayneAuthority. The town Vivax I remember from other games doesn't hesitate to vote for people, he just does whatever the hell he wants all the time but this is a lot more restrained. Then after that he moves his vote back on raynpelikoneet: Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote:
If you're town the site you come from breeds really bad blood.
##Unvote
##Vote Rayn
Can you give me an opinion on Rayn's last post? He pretty much says "If you're town then you look scum" and then he moves his vote away again. This all looks weird and restrained and like Vivax is looking for opportunities rather than looking for scum. The rigged poll was also really weird. That said I believe that he really has exams and this considered he's actually been putting in a decent amount of effort. I also don't think that Vivax and [UoN]Sentinel can be scum together (simply because of this post so I'm going to look into [UoN]Sentinel now).
Clarifications:
Trying to infer how and how often I use my votes in other games is awful reasoning. I have been adopting all kinds of styles. There have been games where my vote wandered around a lot (see British mafia II), and games where I barely voted if not just to lynch.
Aside from that, you are doing two things in this post. You accuse me first of voting Rayn without reasoning, then not voting Vayne when I noticed something that looks suspicious.
But most importantly, you accuse me of voting for Rayn without reason. While I didn't write a full blown case on him, I voiced the reason of my suspicion here before dropping the vote, being that he rather preferred shit-slinging at multiple people rather than his scumrad:
On June 06 2013 01:53 Vivax wrote:
@ Rayn
If you're so sure about WoS being scum, what are you trying to achieve by claiming you want to kill ace and writing that bit about layabout?
After my vote, Vayne comes in to vote for WoS, no reasons given. I post the "?", then drop my vote, and he replies with saying that he has a town-gutread on Rayn and that WoS is scummy, but when contrasted, he votes fuba and says that it's his real scumread. Vayne's play didn't seem to make any sense, and frankly I might have lynched him rather than Rayn at the time, but it was not possible.
What I meant with bad blood is that he'd be bad, not scummy.
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As for today's lynch, I don't get why prplhz and jay are voting for Sentinel. If they think I'm town then they must also believe my check. Currently I find it hard to believe that scum prplhz would not keep going for my lynch, or argue against it, unless he's faking it really good.
The only viable lynch for today is probably stutters, but there's one thing that bugs me and it's this, and I'd like to know if others think that it might have been a scum interaction:
On June 05 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sup dudes. I want to lynch stutters or zephird.
##Vote: Stutters
because the case on prpl is bad.
On June 05 2013 04:29 Stutters695 wrote:
L O FUCKING L
Try reading it and providing an actual reason if you disagree.
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Bleh, scum prplhz can jump back to my wagon anytime, I shouldn't read so much into his hesitation probably. If he's scum he was probably aware that it would look good.
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On June 15 2013 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:At the same time, we have this interaction from Ace: Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 05:39 Ace wrote:
Stutters if you're still around I've got a question for you Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd. Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game. So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me. Do you think that Ace is trying to convince his own scum buddy to do something?
At first glance it looks good for stutters cause ace is being inquisitive with him and I see that as unlikely between sbuddies, but
what matters more is the answer:
On June 10 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd. Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game. So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me. I'll give you what I see non-town tomorrow during the day, too busy right now to quote/explain my concerns. I would have done the same thing if I was town. However if I was scum and rolled cop n1 I would also probably do the same thing and fake the check then talk my way out of the mislynch. I'll talk more about it later, gotta go though.
That he doesn't deliver town points doesn't really matter, he could also have been lazy and ace was dead anyway.
The answer regarding ace's "what if" however is in contrast to an earlier statement:
On June 08 2013 08:43 Stutters695 wrote:
Well it's one of my main points in favoring an oats lynch.
That and the fact that scum Ace should be wise enough to realize that a 2-1 trade isn't in scums favor when we still haven't mislynched. I really can't read oats though and that worries me.
Stutters gave ace leeway cause he said he wouldn't pull that stunt as scum, but afterwards, when ace was doomed, he said he could also see it coming from scum.
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On June 15 2013 02:34 Stutters695 wrote:
Lynch vivax first. If he flips scum we know his claim is worthless and sent is probably scum. If he's town then we're looking at the odds of him getting gf compared to just scummy town play.
Which means that even after I flip town you have an out to still lynch Sentinel, hence your reasoning for lynching me is flimsy since it doesn't solve a damn thing.
Instead of doing analysis you prefer to give reasoning that doesn't lead anywhere.
You never gave any reasons for voting for me. That no one picks up on that is outrageous. I asked you to deliver any reason at the start of the day and you did nothing. All you are doing is following thread sentiment.
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