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On June 15 2013 03:24 Vivax wrote:
Can anyone not voting for stutters give me a quick rundown of reasons why they don't think he's scum?
I'm reconsidering him given what's been said about him recently. But I definitely feel more sure of scum sent than anyone else at the moment, so I'm not voting stutters today. I think I may have accidentally eliminated him from my suspects because he claimed veteran when I was expecting (hoping?) scum to claim it and then claim they were shot (due to my "Ace killed off the veteran" theory), but given that the role is still supposedly available, I think I need to reconsider him.
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On June 15 2013 04:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats because sent is pretty obviously town layabout, try to consolidate on vivax for today and if he's town we should lynch prp unless some crazy happens
Sorry if I've forgotten or missed the reasoning, but why is sent obviously town?
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On June 15 2013 05:04 layabout wrote:
as in-being pushed by scum using wifom
Wait, what wifom is being used to push sent?
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On June 15 2013 04:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 04:43 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 15 2013 04:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats because sent is pretty obviously town layabout, try to consolidate on vivax for today and if he's town we should lynch prp unless some crazy happens Sorry if I've forgotten or missed the reasoning, but why is sent obviously town? greencheck by vivax and they still want to lynch sentinel over vivax when we can confirm how low the odds are of sent being scum if vivax flips town? it reeks of scum pushing a mislynch and some other people actually falling for it. Flipping sentinel gives us very little info too so scum would love that.
A greencheck from vivax is enough for you to consider sentinel confirmed town?
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On June 15 2013 06:00 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 05:48 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 15 2013 04:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 15 2013 04:43 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 15 2013 04:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats because sent is pretty obviously town layabout, try to consolidate on vivax for today and if he's town we should lynch prp unless some crazy happens Sorry if I've forgotten or missed the reasoning, but why is sent obviously town? greencheck by vivax and they still want to lynch sentinel over vivax when we can confirm how low the odds are of sent being scum if vivax flips town? it reeks of scum pushing a mislynch and some other people actually falling for it. Flipping sentinel gives us very little info too so scum would love that. A greencheck from vivax is enough for you to consider sentinel confirmed town? depending on what vivax flips he almost could be. That is why I want to lynch vivax first.
So what are your expectations from this lynch?
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So.... Where is everyone? XD
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How long do you think we should wait until vayne shows up? :/
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Yeah...
Well, in an attempt to get discussion moving again, I guess I'll just come out and say it. I've thought it through and I don't see any information that I could give away now that scum don't already know.
I was the Veteran last night, and I got hit. The role's been removed.
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Are you asking if I think scum roleblocked stutters or town did? I have no idea. Statistically I guess I'd say town? I think he's a reasonable block from a townie, assuming they were one of the ones that showed suspicion of him earlier. I probably would have gone with vivax, to see if it blocked another kp.
If you're just confused about what I said in my previous post, I simply meant that scum shot me, so since stutters claimed he was doc but roleblocked, they already know that I was veteran. I figured I'd fill the townies in, since only scum and I had that information, and the rest of town didn't.
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In that case, I believe the roleblocker was town, haha.
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Stutters, what made you decide to doc save me?
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There are too many people left in this game for me... I can't get my mind straight. I've been reduced to little more than null on too many people after the sent mislynch. I'd been down to sent, vivax, prplhz, and a bit stutters, but was so sure of sent. Now it's like I'm just shooting blindly into a crowd. I don't feel like scum vivax would give a town read to sentinel when he was such an easy mislynch. I also feel like prplhz seems really sincere in his recent posting, but I'm often really swayed by these last minute appeals, so I usually keep myself from posting all that much.
I don't know... I feel like we're walking into another mislynch, but I don't know who we should lynch instead. I'd feel better with a Vayne lynch, probably, but that might just be because he's been bothering me all game. I've flip-flopped all over him, and can't come up with a town read unless I interpret his typical nonchalance as a town tell (which I have been until now). I don't like how much faith he seems to be willing to put into the night actions, when I personally feel like it's very difficult to trust anything about them. His willingness to lynch vivax just to get information from night actions, when night actions could have easily been manipulated by scum in some way, is something that I don't really expect from town. Then there's how positive he was of sent being town, when most people were either null/unsure. I really don't like any of it.
Is anyone else up for a vayne lynch? I doubt we have enough time/people to switch it, but this lynch feels wrong...
##Vote: VayneAuthority
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What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum.
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On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference
The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense.
You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious.
That is how the two are different.
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On June 18 2013 08:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
At this point I feel like I have to re-adjust my view of the game after vivax finally gets lynched hopefully.
I feel like at this point stutters could be town with how jay/mkfuba are slowly but surely re-inserting scumreads on me, as if to to slowplay a future mislynch. They can just come back here and be like "look, im consistent!"
ROFL
Please please please please PLEASE try to get me mislynched.
Oh, and it's very townie of you to say that you're going to keep trying to get vivax lynched, then pointing out two more scumreads who are supposedly working together. Do you not see the error here?
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Oh dear, not being noted by vayne. How will I ever live with myself?!
You're wanting to lynch vivax. That's one. Then you're saying that both me and jay are setting you up for a "mislynch". That's three. Either you don't actually believe vivax is scum, or you don't believe that "setting you up for a mislynch" is actually scummy. You can't have both.
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Nothing I've said has been inconsistent.
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On June 18 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 07:41 mkfuba07 wrote:
There are too many people left in this game for me... I can't get my mind straight. I've been reduced to little more than null on too many people after the sent mislynch. I'd been down to sent, vivax, prplhz, and a bit stutters, but was so sure of sent. Now it's like I'm just shooting blindly into a crowd. I don't feel like scum vivax would give a town read to sentinel when he was such an easy mislynch. I also feel like prplhz seems really sincere in his recent posting, but I'm often really swayed by these last minute appeals, so I usually keep myself from posting all that much.
I don't know... I feel like we're walking into another mislynch, but I don't know who we should lynch instead. I'd feel better with a Vayne lynch, probably, but that might just be because he's been bothering me all game. I've flip-flopped all over him, and can't come up with a town read unless I interpret his typical nonchalance as a town tell (which I have been until now). I don't like how much faith he seems to be willing to put into the night actions, when I personally feel like it's very difficult to trust anything about them. His willingness to lynch vivax just to get information from night actions, when night actions could have easily been manipulated by scum in some way, is something that I don't really expect from town. Then there's how positive he was of sent being town, when most people were either null/unsure. I really don't like any of it.
Is anyone else up for a vayne lynch? I doubt we have enough time/people to switch it, but this lynch feels wrong...
##Vote: VayneAuthority Random thought reading through Vayne. I absolutely HATE this post by you, Fuba. It's so apologetic and the fact that you'd post it right before a mislynch on Prp just screams scum. Vayne. Thoughts?
Or it's town fuba being overwhelmed by the fact that I feel like I could arbitrarily lynch into most of the players in this game and have an equal chance of hitting scum. I had nothing to add about prplhz, but his responses seemed genuine. I wanted to change the lynch to someone else. I have almost literally NO preference between half of the people playing, but vayne was one that I saw as potentially scummy as well as one that I really wouldn't miss if I was wrong.
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On June 18 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fuck my brain.
I know I'm like...ALWAYS wrong with my conspiracy theory stuff, but I'm almost certain now scum has withheld a shot at some point.
If it was the shot on N3 then it means both Fuba and Kita are likely scum, and would fit with the idea that Ace sacced himself because he had a capable scumteam and the 'confirmed town' status that Ace gave to fuba before he decided to essentially off himself.
It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that this is one of those games where the scumteam is blending incredibly well, tryharding like a boss (increasingly common in games I've been in lately), and letting bad townies be bad.
In this case 2 scum among Vivax/kita/fuba.
And ugh...
I absolutely love to fucking repeat myself, but ace had NOTHING to do with my "confirmed town" status. Him saying it doesn't mean that it wasn't true. I really don't see how this is in ANY WAY difficult to understand, because it's really, really simple.
Townie does something. EVERYONE knows it likely makes him confirmed town. Scum points it out verbally in the thread. THIS HAS NO EFFECT ON THE ORIGINAL ACTION.
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