• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:16
CEST 12:16
KST 19:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025)8Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week0Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025) Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Rain's Behind the Scenes Storytime Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOP Starcraft Global #22 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 32064 users

Newbie Mini Mafia XLII - Page 8

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 14 Next All
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 04:33 GMT
#1065
Xzav, less focus on rebuttal and more focus on who you think are scum and why. During the night phase, it really doesn't matter what Onegu or any other player thinks about your alignment.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 04:46 GMT
#1071
Any time I read "No scum ever..." I add it to my list of things to do as scum. :D
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 14:42 GMT
#1083
On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote:
sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.

To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum.
Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.

As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester.


Ok, so the common threads among Yavanna's posts and Firere's posts

- iV - both are more or less neutral

- Umasi - Ferere says "town bad" and Yavanna exchanges a few posts and then agrees/builds on my observations.

I'm not sure there's something meaningful in this. Just poking around in the data.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 18:02 GMT
#1085
Hm.

That reminds me. Onegu jumped on one of my objectively scummy looking posts on day 1, but didn't really follow-through and keep pushing. Let me find the posts related to that.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 18:14 GMT
#1089
On June 07 2013 16:38 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL.

On June 07 2013 10:14 fferyllt wrote:
On June 06 2013 15:15 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 06 2013 14:59 Umasi wrote:
iVLosK, I think you are scum.


Why? Make a case if you have a good read.

I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative.


Tempted.

What is your read on iV?


Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now.

On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:
In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts?


I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now.

On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote:
There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.

I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills.


This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy.



I think you are right with the last part say who are what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.


Lonemeow picked up on it. Onegu agreed.

Followed with this:

On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop

Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.


I give my explanation, and he drops the scum-tell aspect and reacts to my concerns about Yavanna

On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:
On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop

Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.

The person I am thinking about is Yavannah.

Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads.



I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing.


In the next exchange, I opened the door and invited him to go after me. He didn't.

On June 07 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:
On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:
On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:
On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:
On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop

Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.

The person I am thinking about is Yavannah.

Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads.



I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing.


Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads.

What do you think?


I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority.

Are you saying that I'm doing this?


No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it.


He later said he was leaning town on me because I voted Firere rather than sheeping (I think he meant that Gotard looked like a more likely lynch based on thread sentiment at the time).

This isn't really conclusive. I think my body of work at that point was pretty townish, and one post setting off an alarm probably didn't weigh nearly as much.


fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 18:28 GMT
#1092
And I had always intended to do that.

I was looking for independent confirmation. I can see why it looked like fishing, but one of the ways I town-hunt is by testing to see if other players see what I see and interpret it the way I interpret it. I wasn't getting enough of that kind of confirmation by passively waiting for it to happen.

The flip side, is that if someone's reply looks really off-the-wall to me, then either I missed something (which is quite possible) or what they are seeing in-thread is quite different, and that could be because their motivations are quite different.

Win condition plus personal goals drives motivation. Motivation plus role drives in-thread behavior.

Scumhunting and townhunting basically reverse engineer that progression. For me, anyway.

fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 00:24 GMT
#1098
Interesting.

I think it's time for town to do a mass claim.

If we do it, I'm going last.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 00:41 GMT
#1100
There are other possibilities.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:00 GMT
#1102
On June 12 2013 09:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 09:41 fferyllt wrote:
There are other possibilities.


True, veteran took the hit, medic healed.

Do you want to reveal those roles now though? I want to see first if an invest role found anything.


I dunno.

My gut says mass claim, but that's because I want to get to the bottom of this missing kill and see if we can ferret out scum with it.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:13 GMT
#1104
On June 12 2013 10:08 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 10:00 fferyllt wrote:
On June 12 2013 09:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 12 2013 09:41 fferyllt wrote:
There are other possibilities.


True, veteran took the hit, medic healed.

Do you want to reveal those roles now though? I want to see first if an invest role found anything.


I dunno.

My gut says mass claim, but that's because I want to get to the bottom of this missing kill and see if we can ferret out scum with it.


That seems really dangerous if it doesnt work.


It could be.

Maybe just leave it to the PRs who think they could have answers to the missing kill to volunteer the info.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:30 GMT
#1106
Why are you ranting about a serial killer?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:35 GMT
#1108
you'll have to connect the dots. I don't see what those quotes have to do with an SK.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:56 GMT
#1121
On June 12 2013 10:36 Umasi wrote:
(by reading I mean the conversations after the kill)
saying "there are other possibilities" is technically true, but why even bother?
that's all.

I have no idea how you got SK out of that convo.

I was referring to the ways that a kill could go missing.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:05 GMT
#1124
Can you like maybe go read the daybreak post again and then read all the posts in sequence from there to the post where you flipped out about SK talk?

Because you apparently haven't understood a damn thing about day 3.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:13 GMT
#1131
Wow. That was a quick figure-it-out you had there.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#1134
yeah, checked to be sure my memory's right. Firere was the mafia roleblocker.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:17 GMT
#1135
Who got a message on night 1?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:20 GMT
#1141
jesus christ.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:22 GMT
#1144
##Vote iVLosk!
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:24 GMT
#1146
On June 12 2013 11:22 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 11:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 12 2013 11:17 fferyllt wrote:
Who got a message on night 1?


I did. roleblocked and jailed. You receive both messages. Didn't want to tip off scum that there was a jailor D2 so thats why I wrote this.


Which mod sent you yours? Mine is from OO and it just says "You were roleblocked." End of message.

This could be an explanation for the difference in messages.

What a mess.

##Unvote
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 1: Group B
herO vs sOsLIVE!
Zoun vs Clem
Tasteless428
ComeBackTV 272
IndyStarCraft 60
Rex49
IntoTheiNu 35
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 428
IndyStarCraft 60
ProTech49
Rex 49
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13009
Calm 9250
Hyuk 2119
Bisu 1255
Sea 679
Jaedong 601
EffOrt 526
actioN 325
Rush 189
ToSsGirL 152
[ Show more ]
Zeus 140
Leta 109
JulyZerg 82
Mong 67
Dewaltoss 62
NaDa 32
Last 30
Barracks 16
Sacsri 14
Movie 12
sorry 8
Free 4
ivOry 4
Dota 2
XaKoH 533
420jenkins489
XcaliburYe380
League of Legends
JimRising 390
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1909
shoxiejesuss673
x6flipin365
PGG 83
allub41
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor184
Other Games
singsing1131
ceh9782
C9.Mang0388
Happy383
Pyrionflax281
crisheroes258
Mew2King153
DeMusliM29
SortOf28
Trikslyr20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick624
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 38
lovetv 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
BSL: GosuLeague
8h 44m
Hejek vs Aeternum
Semih vs TousaN
Replay Cast
13h 44m
The PondCast
23h 44m
RSL Revival
23h 44m
Harstem vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
1d 13h
RSL Revival
1d 23h
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
SC Evo League
3 days
Road to EWC
3 days
SOOP Global
3 days
Future vs MaNa
Harstem vs Cham
[ Show More ]
Circuito Brasileiro de…
3 days
BSL: ProLeague
3 days
Sziky vs JDConan
Cross vs MadiNho
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Road to EWC
4 days
BSL: ProLeague
4 days
UltrA vs TBD
Dewalt vs TBD
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.