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fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 04:33 GMT
#1065
Xzav, less focus on rebuttal and more focus on who you think are scum and why. During the night phase, it really doesn't matter what Onegu or any other player thinks about your alignment.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 04:46 GMT
#1071
Any time I read "No scum ever..." I add it to my list of things to do as scum. :D
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 14:42 GMT
#1083
On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote:
sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.

To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum.
Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.

As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester.


Ok, so the common threads among Yavanna's posts and Firere's posts

- iV - both are more or less neutral

- Umasi - Ferere says "town bad" and Yavanna exchanges a few posts and then agrees/builds on my observations.

I'm not sure there's something meaningful in this. Just poking around in the data.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 18:02 GMT
#1085
Hm.

That reminds me. Onegu jumped on one of my objectively scummy looking posts on day 1, but didn't really follow-through and keep pushing. Let me find the posts related to that.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 18:14 GMT
#1089
On June 07 2013 16:38 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL.

On June 07 2013 10:14 fferyllt wrote:
On June 06 2013 15:15 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 06 2013 14:59 Umasi wrote:
iVLosK, I think you are scum.


Why? Make a case if you have a good read.

I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative.


Tempted.

What is your read on iV?


Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now.

On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:
In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts?


I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now.

On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote:
There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.

I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills.


This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy.



I think you are right with the last part say who are what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.


Lonemeow picked up on it. Onegu agreed.

Followed with this:

On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop

Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.


I give my explanation, and he drops the scum-tell aspect and reacts to my concerns about Yavanna

On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:
On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop

Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.

The person I am thinking about is Yavannah.

Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads.



I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing.


In the next exchange, I opened the door and invited him to go after me. He didn't.

On June 07 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:
On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:
On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:
On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:
On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop

Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.

The person I am thinking about is Yavannah.

Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads.



I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing.


Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads.

What do you think?


I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority.

Are you saying that I'm doing this?


No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it.


He later said he was leaning town on me because I voted Firere rather than sheeping (I think he meant that Gotard looked like a more likely lynch based on thread sentiment at the time).

This isn't really conclusive. I think my body of work at that point was pretty townish, and one post setting off an alarm probably didn't weigh nearly as much.


fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 18:28 GMT
#1092
And I had always intended to do that.

I was looking for independent confirmation. I can see why it looked like fishing, but one of the ways I town-hunt is by testing to see if other players see what I see and interpret it the way I interpret it. I wasn't getting enough of that kind of confirmation by passively waiting for it to happen.

The flip side, is that if someone's reply looks really off-the-wall to me, then either I missed something (which is quite possible) or what they are seeing in-thread is quite different, and that could be because their motivations are quite different.

Win condition plus personal goals drives motivation. Motivation plus role drives in-thread behavior.

Scumhunting and townhunting basically reverse engineer that progression. For me, anyway.

fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 00:24 GMT
#1098
Interesting.

I think it's time for town to do a mass claim.

If we do it, I'm going last.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 00:41 GMT
#1100
There are other possibilities.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:00 GMT
#1102
On June 12 2013 09:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 09:41 fferyllt wrote:
There are other possibilities.


True, veteran took the hit, medic healed.

Do you want to reveal those roles now though? I want to see first if an invest role found anything.


I dunno.

My gut says mass claim, but that's because I want to get to the bottom of this missing kill and see if we can ferret out scum with it.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:13 GMT
#1104
On June 12 2013 10:08 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 10:00 fferyllt wrote:
On June 12 2013 09:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 12 2013 09:41 fferyllt wrote:
There are other possibilities.


True, veteran took the hit, medic healed.

Do you want to reveal those roles now though? I want to see first if an invest role found anything.


I dunno.

My gut says mass claim, but that's because I want to get to the bottom of this missing kill and see if we can ferret out scum with it.


That seems really dangerous if it doesnt work.


It could be.

Maybe just leave it to the PRs who think they could have answers to the missing kill to volunteer the info.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:30 GMT
#1106
Why are you ranting about a serial killer?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:35 GMT
#1108
you'll have to connect the dots. I don't see what those quotes have to do with an SK.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 01:56 GMT
#1121
On June 12 2013 10:36 Umasi wrote:
(by reading I mean the conversations after the kill)
saying "there are other possibilities" is technically true, but why even bother?
that's all.

I have no idea how you got SK out of that convo.

I was referring to the ways that a kill could go missing.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:05 GMT
#1124
Can you like maybe go read the daybreak post again and then read all the posts in sequence from there to the post where you flipped out about SK talk?

Because you apparently haven't understood a damn thing about day 3.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:13 GMT
#1131
Wow. That was a quick figure-it-out you had there.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#1134
yeah, checked to be sure my memory's right. Firere was the mafia roleblocker.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:17 GMT
#1135
Who got a message on night 1?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:20 GMT
#1141
jesus christ.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:22 GMT
#1144
##Vote iVLosk!
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 12 2013 02:24 GMT
#1146
On June 12 2013 11:22 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 11:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 12 2013 11:17 fferyllt wrote:
Who got a message on night 1?


I did. roleblocked and jailed. You receive both messages. Didn't want to tip off scum that there was a jailor D2 so thats why I wrote this.


Which mod sent you yours? Mine is from OO and it just says "You were roleblocked." End of message.

This could be an explanation for the difference in messages.

What a mess.

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