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On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote:
sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.
To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum.
Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.
As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester.
So scummy. Makes excuses for his absence, then promises more analysis that never came and simply sheeps other's opinion. Vote is staying on him.
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I don't think Gotard is scum, just a very newb townie. His posts are completely lacking in self confidence and he gives the minimalist of readings on Xzavier and Umasi. His thoughts can be boiled down to "I'm really confused as to who may be mafia but if I had to take a guess I think its Xzavier or Umasi because i think i saw some sheeping going on." But the thing that makes him townie.... he doesn't change his story when pressed. He defends it, knowing he's in a tight spot. If he were scum I'd expect him to back down or change in some way. But he keeps at it... he's not typing some smartly conceived thought, but his gut reactions. Thats more town indicating than scum.
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On June 07 2013 21:54 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote:
sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.
To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum.
Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.
As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester. So scummy. Makes excuses for his absence, then promises more analysis that never came and simply sheeps other's opinion. Vote is staying on him. I would really like to hear from him also to see if he really was absent or just lurking. But lets be honest alot of people are sheeping, I think that is just noobish at this point. The thing I have been looking at is offering a thought on someone then sheeping once a majority is on someone else.
Many people are sheeping, but in Firere345's case you have to look at everything else he's been doing (or really not been doing). The total sum looks scummy, especially the promise of future analysis that never comes.
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On June 07 2013 22:08 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:52 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I don't think Gotard is scum, just a very newb townie. His posts are completely lacking in self confidence and he gives the minimalist of readings on Xzavier and Umasi. His thoughts can be boiled down to "I'm really confused as to who may be mafia but if I had to take a guess I think its Xzavier or Umasi because i think i saw some sheeping going on." But the thing that makes him townie.... he doesn't change his story when pressed. He defends it, knowing he's in a tight spot. If he were scum I'd expect him to back down or change in some way. But he keeps at it... he's not typing some smartly conceived thought, but his gut reactions. Thats more town indicating than scum. He did backtrack though from his initial post, he initially said that if he had to lynch, it would be between Xzav and Umasi, but after being pressured he said that he doesn't actually want Xzav dead. Then he used that terrible "Well you can't be 100% sure of everyone!" defense to justify him wanting to lynch someone who he had apparently had a townread on. I'm getting more of a newbie scum vibe than a new-townie vibe from him.
His initial post (copied below) doesnt say he would lynch xzavier, just that he thought he was scummy then townie. Thats not a scum read, just an observation. It was only after he was pushed on it that he said he'd vote xzavier.
On June 07 2013 02:25 Gotard wrote:After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me (or you are just really good at pretending which is even worse if you are aren't townies T_T). All in all after some hardcore analysis (aka reading) I sadly do know nothing  . Xzavier seemed to be a scum (after following Umasi's accusations) but then he had some awesome pro-town posts. What to do!? What to do!?
In my first two games playing I had a few posts that looked like this, thought not as bad as this was, they were similar. I would say that X started off scummy but then started talking like a town.
I also cant help to think that if he was scum, he would be getting excellent advice in the scum chat especially with a coach that would help him get out of this position. I think we can all agree his position and posting hasn't improved much so that rules that out.
I think Gotard is a bad lynch D1 and too easy for everyone to sheep onto.
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On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing.
Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads.
What do you think?
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@Gotard
Who do you think is scum at this point? Look through filters of people and tells us what you think. But most importantly, EXPLAIN why.
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On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority.
Doesn't that seem a bit contradictory? fferyllt had a read but wasn't confident, then switched it something else. Or are you saying a non-confident read is ok as long as you dont jump ship for the majority the first chance you get?
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@fferyllt since you are around... who are your scum reads?
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Just went through Yavanna's filter and it doesn't look pretty. At the start she's either posting spam or asking others questions. The questions are alright but she has no follow up with them... and that indicates someone posting to look active without really contributing... aka scummy. Later on it turns into full blown sheeping of Xzav. She really only has 1 good post about Umasi at the end. Not sure right now if this is indicative of a new player finding her stride or calculated scum. Going to take a wait and see on her for D2.
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On June 07 2013 23:22 Firere345 wrote:Well, Meow, I kinda need to sleep sometimes, Last night I posted that and then went to sleep, only waking up a few minutes ago. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote:
Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 05:40 Gotard wrote:
If i had to vote now i would lynch you or Xzavier but a the same time it's way too risky to kill the most active (potential) allies. What I want to know is why your top two scum reads are also the two you saw as potential allies, and also why at that point I hadn't made the list  . You kinda disrupted the flow of the thread with your post suspecting Xzav, which in itself isn't a scum indication if you can defend it. But unfortunately your only defense of it I've seen is Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 07:01 Gotard wrote:It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today Few P-T posts during first day? What about this one? + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2013 11:59 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:45 iVLosK! wrote:On June 06 2013 11:44 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 06 2013 11:34 Xzavier wrote:
Also the reason im for lynching a lurker night one is even if it is a noobie who realized they didnt have the time for it, then they arnt ever gonna be useful for us in this game, so it still would be more productive than a No-lynch.
I disagree with this. I would rather have a no lynch than to lynch someone i think is a lurking town. We should only be lynching scum, not bad town. I don't see how lynching a townie lurker is more productive. If you think vote for someone because you think he's a lurking scum... fine, but a lurking town vote doesn't help I agree with this. The least productive thing is doing nothing. It contributes nothing to the town cause. The more people you leave in the game, the less likely you are to lynch a mafia. The longer you let them kill people. The ONLY day you can even consider a no-lynch is day1. And I'm opposed to it because the fewer lurkers in the game, the better it is for town. That's a fact. The more you make people post, the more information/reads you can get on them. If people aren't posting then mafia has no reason to. They can sit back and kill us 1 at a time. Thats my reasoning behind lynching a lurker. obviously this isnt random lurker with least number of posts gets lynched. and of course they have every chance to defend themselves. and if they defend themself/start contributing, we move suspicion elsewhere. And no shit you try to kill the scummiest one. This much make sense? Or this one? + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2013 12:04 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +A townie is still a townie and still counts towards the town count, regardless of how invested they are in the game. Okay, i should refresh the page before i post. Vloski thats the most suspicious thing iv seen so far. There are atleast 3 types of townies: Useful ones who create content Inactive ones who do nothing to help prevent impending doom Counterproductive ones who spam the thread then bandwagon votes Useful ones win the game, inactive ones dont. Their is a difference between townies. However you dont need to post all the time or even often, Quality over Quantity, but if your posting little and their is no new information to gain from it, that is pretty scummy. If your posting little and when you do post its with an ironclad case (which was the other way of playing this game that i was considering) Is also acceptable, as this doesnt make you a high profile target for the mafia, and benefits the town. I'm leaving now, be back in 6 or 7 hours
I see nothing new here and just a rehash of the arguments that have already been stated by others. There is nothing new of substance here. No reads on other players, just sheeping the current majority. Dropping in once every 12 hours is not being active in this game, especially when your one post has 0 substance to it.
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Umasi, I want you to take a step back and look at Gotard's filter and ask yourself "is this something scum would actually do in a game?" Ask yourself what is the reasoning behind it? His posts look awful, but not calculated. Its mostly reactionary and full of self doubt. Does this really fit what a true scum player would do? I've said this before but since he is new and if he were scum, he would definitely be getting advice in scum chat, especially from a coach. There is no indication that he has improved his posts at all.
So what was his plan here? He had none. He had a suspicion because of perceived sheeping and when pressured, said thats who he would vote for but wasn't 100% sure. I also don't think scum would throw him under the bus first day in a newbie game... just doesn't seem smart. It just doesn't make any sense for him to do this as scum. Does it look bad? Yes.... but we are here to find scum, not bad townies.
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EBWOP: The above goes for everyone else voting Gotard. Everyone please take another look at him.
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On June 08 2013 00:53 Gotard wrote:
##Vote: Skanjab1s
Skanjab is not going to be lynched today barring some huge slip on his part. Right now the votes are between you and Firere345. If you don't want to get lynch you should make a miraculous case and get your vote on Firere345.
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On June 08 2013 01:00 fferyllt wrote:
I would prefer a Yavannah lynch, myself. But, of the currently viable wagons, IMO Firere looks the most scummy.
The best I've gotten from my arguments about Yavannah is "maybe d2", so I'm going to be very disappointed, SpicyDinosaur, if you don't help pursue that without some damn good reasons why.
Well my reasons for suspecting her are a little different then yours were. And like I said I am honestly not sure what to make of her at this point. When her final vote comes in and after the night actions, hopefully I'll have a better idea.
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On June 08 2013 01:06 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:03 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 08 2013 00:53 Gotard wrote:
##Vote: Skanjab1s Skanjab is not going to be lynched today barring some huge slip on his part. Right now the votes are between you and Firere345. If you don't want to get lynch you should make a miraculous case and get your vote on Firere345. It was random vote from my scum list I will change it later if I will have any chance to stay alive.
Just an FYI: In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).(from the voting rules). So if u get 5 votes first and then Firere gets 5 votes, you die.
I'm really trying to keep you alive and your posts just aren't helping yourself.
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Just an FYI. I will be leaving in about 4 hoursish and wont be around during the deadline. I'll try to monitor the thread from my phone tonight but no promises.
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On June 08 2013 06:30 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 21:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 06 2013 20:19 Skanjab1s wrote:On June 06 2013 11:00 iVLosK! wrote:
Who is the motherfucker who recognized me from OMGUS?
I will find you, mystery motherfucker. I'm the finger down your spine when all the lights are out. I'm the name on all the men's room walls. When I pout, the whole world tries to make me smile. And everyone always wants to know, who... is... that girl? Okay guys, listen up. I can read vloski like a Dr Seuss book. And he is without a doubt town. I've like, never been wrong about him. So, ##vote: SpicydinosaurFor all his posts being about game theory (lynching lurkers, etc.) and none of them having any intention of finding scum. I just did a little theory to get the game going. Wasn't much discussion going on before I went to bed. And if you are going to vote me, at least get my theory right... I said pressure lurkers. Anyways, here are some thoughts. @ Firere345 seems to be only sheeping. He agrees with Umasi's post about iVLosK! and then asks a pointless mod question about a jester. Reading the first page of the thread tells you what roles are possible in this game and jester is NOT on it. So why ask it? A true newbie to this game would probably read that first page up and down multiple times. So far he feels pretty scummy. @ Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now. @ Umasi is my most worrisome read right now. He is generating some discussion but a lot of his posts are full of fluff. Taking a wait and see on him. @Yavanna strongest town read atm. Generates discussion and asks good questions. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 23:27 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Just went through Yavanna's filter and it doesn't look pretty. At the start she's either posting spam or asking others questions. The questions are alright but she has no follow up with them... and that indicates someone posting to look active without really contributing... aka scummy. Later on it turns into full blown sheeping of Xzav. She really only has 1 good post about Umasi at the end. Not sure right now if this is indicative of a new player finding her stride or calculated scum. Going to take a wait and see on her for D2. Big change on Yavanna between these two posts without much additional input from Yavanna. Was it something I said?
It was in part. When I wrote the first post I did a glance view of her filter and came up townie. After you were suspicious I did a complete filter dive and caught a bunch of things I missed before. It was a lot of little things that started adding up.
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Heading out now for the night. Ill try to check in on my phone if i can
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Hey just got back, reviewing the last few pages then I'll post my thoughts.
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