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On May 20 2013 12:22 Blazinghand wrote: Just to be clear: I have a town-read on marv. I Masoned him because he's the guy i'll be most productive with also I would have preferred it if you had masoned someone the town agreed on to prevent shenanigans personally. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote: Interesting, but not really relevant. There's no choice more optimal than Marv. We work well together, he's smart, he's active and is around all the time, and I have a townread on him. He may not be as townread-ey to me as you are, but I don't interact well with you and my time wouldn't be as well-spent. If you think there are shenanigans going on, and want to posit a Marv+BH scumteam, come at us bro I mean it is not impossible for you to be scum together is it. Regardless tomorrow night you can mason someone we pre determine if it comes to that. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:33 Blazinghand wrote: or I could just mason someone who I want to mason. get off my balls. by Night3 I'm confirmed town anyways, i'll just mason a different person each night What the fuck. HOW ARE YOU SO CONFIDENT THAT THERE ARE THREE MAFIA WHEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THERE TO BE FOUR MAFIA? | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:34 Blazinghand wrote: also there could be 4 scum instead of 3 scum which I guess makes more sense for a 16 player game You fucking slipped bro. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:34 Blazinghand wrote: also there could be 4 scum instead of 3 scum which I guess makes more sense for a 16 player game This. Is exactly what he does when he slips as scum. Says it himself so it doesn't look so bad. IT IS STILL AS SLIP. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:38 Blazinghand wrote: Scumslips don't exist etc etc Well, I guess I'm not getting shot tonight any more. Yes they fucking do as you should well know. You had more information than you should and used that to form an argument. And you fucking noticed immediately because you are hyper aware of your image as scum. LOL that is like a fucking scum claim right there. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:39 Blazinghand wrote: God it's gonna be so hard to get DP off my balls now. I dun stepped in it. Come on man, that's not even a scumslip. It fucking is a scumslip. I HAVE MADE THAT EXACT MISTAKE BEFORE AS SCUM. You immediately trying to cover your tracks in the exact way you explained previously that you did as scum makes it even more fucking idiot proof that you are scum. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:46 Blazinghand wrote: Mario Mini Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16895808 I know scumslips are real, having made them myself and by catching mafia with them, and i can tell the difference between something a townie could make and scum could make. Furthermore a townie wouldn't work so fast in covering their tracks. I would expect a townie to be like WTF??!?!? in a similar way that WoS reacted to me calling you out. You reacted in the exact same way you said you did as scum in the post game for "the game?". When you say something scummy you try and immediately call it out yourself so as people can;t call you out for it. Obviously I am not going to convince you you are scum. So I am ending this discussion. I will talk to townies about this. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote: So the scumslip is based on the fact that you'd only be masoning other scum players..? What? Oh wait I think I get it...basically your assumption was that DP thought you were fakeclaiming mason. Alright makes sense. DP it seems really unlikely that BH would fakeclaim mason for the reasons he stated. He's right in that he'd basically have to be scum mason to be even remotely safe with that claim. Are you absolutely sure he's scum just based on the perceived slip? NO. The scumslip is this. I wanted BH to mason someone of the towns choosing so as to confirm he was a mason beyond all doubt. He then said he would be confirmed town after 3 nights because that would be the point that he was going to mason more people than were in his scum team implying extra knowledge of a scum team of 3. This is a slip because. He knows the size of the scum team. (3) The obvious scum team size assumption is 4 in a 16 player game. He then fucking tries to cover it up by saying this himself which he has just recently stated that is exactly how he deals with stuff that makes him look scummy in a recent postgame. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:58 Blazinghand wrote: Despite the fact that you have a very warped view of my play this past page and a half, yes, the alleged "scumslip" is that I assumed the size of the scumteam was 3 rather than 4. You stated it as a fact. Saying you would be 'confirmed town' when in fact you would be confirmed mason. and not even including the possibility of other scumteam sizes. You then have an Oh Fuck! moment when you realize how badly you fucked up. And begin damage control. this is about as blatant a slip as you can expect. Also you not believing in scumslips doesn't mean they don't exist and certainly doesn't mean you didn't slip. Add this slip on to already scummy play which almost got blazinghand lynched last cycle I feel 100% confident we should lynch blazinghand tomorrow. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:04 Blazinghand wrote: In fact, given that there's probably 4 scum, you might even call that post a "townslip" Bullshit. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote: DP, trying to think through this. You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Maybe I didn't explain it well DP, but I get the scumslip now. I can think of an interesting way to add support to this. Has anyone ever played in a game or can give evidence of a 16-person game with only 3 scum? Obviously this could be the first but yeah I always assume scum make up 1/4 of the total count. Exactly. Blazinghand knows this and yet was operating under the knowledge of a 3 man scum team. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:37 Blazinghand wrote: Wow if I get lynched for that I'm never gonna live it down am I Look at this post. I am going after him like a rabid dog and instead of calling me bad/stupid like a townie who had not slipped at all would do he makes it seem as if it is HIS FAULT if he gets lynched. IF HE DIDN'T SLIP WHY WOULD HE BE AT FAULT FOR HIS LYNCH? he knows it would be his fault because he fucking slipped. He fucked up and knows it, thus will 'never live it down.' Inherent guilt and knowledge of his own fuck up. Lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote: Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote: The point is, I finally got my head above the flood of jub-jubbery in this thread and then I fucked up and scumslipped (as town, mind you!) Like you gotta admit if you did this as town you'd feel that same way nope. I would call you all fucking idiots because I didn't scumslip if I was town. or act confused like WoS was initially. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:10 WaveofShadow wrote: It wasn't...rhetorical I was serious. Because honestly it wouldn't even make sense to me that there are 3 scum in this game, so if someone can find an example it would lend more credence to the scumslip theory. I also would like to hear what the rest of town thinks about this but I imagine this isn't exactly an active time for most people? oh. If there are only 3 scum there is probably 3rd party. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait, what? Are you calling me scum too here? Who is 'all?' If I slipped as town I would call you all fucking idiots. 'all' being those accusing me. Don't know how you can get me calling you scum from that. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote: Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. The confirmed town part is meaningless. It doesn't mean anything. Both scum and town like to call themselves confirmed town. And if Blazinghand was 'playing' the role of town mason then it makes sense to call himself confirmed town because he is trying to emulate the mindset of a real town mason. Regardless the confirmed town part is peripheral to the real slip and is meaningless in determining blazinghands alignment or the validity of his slip. | ||
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